CrabHelmet Posted August 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 I don't feel as though any one thing' date=' or multiple things makes a card broken. Its like a 6th sense. It comes naturally, and to others it has to be defined. A banworthy card Should be a card that is easily accessible and abuseable. No card is banworth by itself, it always takes, ALWAYS needs other cards to make it banworthy.[/quote'] Yeah, Pot of Greed totally isn't banworthy by itself. It's only banworthy because it would be abused in Shadowpriestess FTK otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Pot is a plus 1. There are plenty of legal +1's in this game already. Pot should be unban. Again, Pot cant act alone. Got Deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 If a card has an effect that accumulates in such a way as to make it too powerful to be kept in any number other than 0, then that card is banworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Pot is a plus 1. There are plenty of legal +1's in this game already. Pot should be unban. Again' date=' Pot cant act alone. Got Deck?[/quote'] Your logic fails. The very act of speaking the words, "Pot should be unbanned." Qualifies you as 2 things. 1. Someone who fails at this game.2. A druggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Cards that are abusable are banworthy. Like Dark Magician of Chaos with Dimension Fusion and Cyber Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Pot is a plus 1. There are plenty of legal +1's in this game already. Pot should be unban. Again' date=' Pot cant act alone. Got Deck?[/quote'] Your logic fails. The very act of speaking the words, "Pot should be unbanned." Qualifies you as 2 things. 1. Someone who fails at this game.2. A druggie. 1. You fail at thought simply because you believe someone can fail at a game that only requires 40 pieces of expensive cardboard to play.2. Pot is a +1, draw 2 cards. Should that alone be banworthy? If so, Ban Allure of Darkness, Destiny Draw, Solar Recharge, Chaos Greed, Reckless Greed, GGHK, Mad reloader, Appropriates, Common Charity, Cyber Valley, Dark Mimic lv3, Fu-rin-ka-zan, Mystical cards of light... The list continues, OR Ban all +1 Cards. Ban Stratos, Dark mimic Lv1, Dekuichi, Arsenal Summoner, Meanae, Woodsman, Ocean, equeste, darius, sparticus, all 3 gadgets, Gravekeeper spy, Skulangel, Volcanic Rocket... I mean, what ever floats your boat. And honestly, IMO, with both Dmoc and Faith banned, they could have tossed in Pot, and it wouldn't make a huge difference to the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silencerleader Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 ' pid='1029538' dateline='1219796793']Cards that are abusable are banworthy. Like Dark Magician of Chaos with Dimension Fusion and Cyber Valley. The End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Actually, by calling you a druggie, I was making the connection between Pot of Greed and Marijuana, due to their shared nickname, and was also making the connection between unbanning, and legalizing. In other words, you're a druggie that wants to get your marijuana. Get it now? Har har har. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Than pass the Cheetos, and munch on the bongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozotehpwns Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 NOOOO don't ban Chaos greed....i like the way that card looks:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Who's banning Chaos Greed? That card is far too situational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 It damages the meta ... and there you go. My thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Im just going to say that the meta was Screwed ever since the ban list hit the scene. Can anybody guess why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 To Nate: Me me me! Because Konami's such a maddeningly piss-poor darter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 If a card has an effect that accumulates in such a way as to make it too powerful to be kept in any number other than 0' date=' then that card is banworthy.[/quote'] Congratulations. You have just reached the brilliant conclusion that a card is banworthy if it is banworthy. Pot is a plus 1. There are plenty of legal +1's in this game already. Pot should be unban. Again' date=' Pot cant act alone. Got Deck?[/quote'] Your logic fails. The very act of speaking the words, "Pot should be unbanned." Qualifies you as 2 things. 1. Someone who fails at this game.2. A druggie. 1. You fail at thought simply because you believe someone can fail at a game that only requires 40 pieces of expensive cardboard to play. I was playing a game of Hearts this summer. This guy won the first Clubs trick, then lead the Ace of Spaces. He didn't have the Queen of Spades in his hand. He wasn't trying to shoot the moon; in fact, he had only one Heart, the Two of Hearts, in his hand. He just failed at Hearts. Now, if it's possible to fail at a game that only requires 52 pieces of inexpensive cardboard to play, then it is possible to fail at a game that only requires 80 pieces of expensive cardboard to play. I say "80" because, unless you're playing a Solitaire FTK deck, you're going to need to have two 40-card decks available in order to play. But if you really want a disproof of your assertion that it is impossible to fail at this game, just march on over to the Traditional Deck section and pick a random topic. Odds are, a counterexample will appear on your screen. 2. Pot is a +1' date=' draw 2 cards. Should that alone be banworthy? If so, Ban Allure of Darkness, Destiny Draw, Solar Recharge, Chaos Greed, Reckless Greed, GGHK, Mad reloader, Appropriates, Common Charity, Cyber Valley, Dark Mimic lv3, Fu-rin-ka-zan, Mystical cards of light... The list continues, OR Ban all +1 Cards. Ban Stratos, Dark mimic Lv1, Dekuichi, Arsenal Summoner, Meanae, Woodsman, Ocean, equeste, darius, sparticus, all 3 gadgets, Gravekeeper spy, Skulangel, Volcanic Rocket... I mean, what ever floats your boat.[/quote'] Here, you assume - falsely - that the only factors involved in determining whether a card is banworthy are: 1) The raw alteration it causes to your net card advantage.2) The presence of a specific three-word phrase somewhere on the card text, regardless of all other text on the card. Now, maybe that is what makes a card banworthy. I'll add that to the list. I'm sure there are a few people out there who are as bad as you at this game that will rally behind your conclusion. Several of them go to TCGPlayer. And honestly' date=' IMO, with both Dmoc and Faith banned, they could have tossed in Pot, and it wouldn't make a huge difference to the meta.[/quote'] Oh, indeed. Other than to perhaps make things like Shadowpriestess FTK a bit better, it wouldn't make much difference at all in what decktype would become dominant. However, it would negatively impact the game by shifting the game's emphasis away from skill and toward luck. Who's banning Chaos Greed? That card is far too situational. Nate mentioned it. New topic of discussion. Who is more retarded; the retarded person' date=' or the person who takes him seriously? Im just going to say that the meta was Screwed ever since the ban list hit the scene. Can anybody guess why? Konami's banlists always suck. Since you want Pot of Greed legalized, I'm guessing that any list you construct would be of comparable quality. ' pid='1029538' dateline='1219796793']Cards that are abusable are banworthy. Like Dark Magician of Chaos with Dimension Fusion and Cyber Valley. Cyber Valley is banworthy? Explain' date=' please. Anyhow, we now have: [s']Skill-less AdvantageLow-cost Advantage[/s]CombosOTK'sEasy Summoning ConditionsHigh ATKField NukingTake No SkillBad For The GameMakes It Easier To WinPunishes The Opponent For Playing CorrectlyDestroys Cards For No CostDamages The MetaIs BrokenCannot Be At Anything Other Than ZeroAbusableGives A Specific Amount Of Raw Change To Advantage Regardless Of All Other FactorsCard Text Contains A Specific Three-Word Phrase Regardless Of All Other Factors Any other changes to this list? Any brilliant ideas on this list that you guys think might somehow not belong on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 In my opinion, everything except Damages The Opponent For Playing Correctly should be taken off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozotehpwns Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 I wasn't taking him seriously, i admit it i was being stupid to gather attention :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samer_13 Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Cards that work in multiple groups like Monster reborn and DMoC.Also depending on how much uses that card has.And the combos that go with the card.That's my evaluation of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 ' pid='1030088' dateline='1219804188']In my opinion' date=' everything except Damages The Opponent For Playing Correctly should be taken off the list.[/quote'] Suddenly and unexpectedly, you fall off of the Earth into the mysterious parallel world of Contemptus Saeculi, where the card game is different from how it is here. Mirror Force does not exist. Torrential Tribute does not exist. Lightning Vortex does not exist. Even Flash of the Forbidden Spell does not exist. In fact, no Mass Monster Removal exists at all. Konami never made the cards. As a result, there's no way to punish people for summoning a bunch of monsters. Swarm becomes the order of the day. The best players are the ones who put as many monsters on their side of the field as possible. We would consider it overextending, but the Contemptus Saeculians would not; since it cannot be punished and cannot harm them, it is not overextending but rather merely extending, and thus instead of a dangerous, questionable strategy it is perfectly rational and optimal. Playing in this way is Playing Correctly. Then, suddenly, Konami makes Lightning Vortex, or maybe Mirror Force, or maybe Torrential Tribute. The duelists of Contemptus Saeculi cry out for them to be banned; after all, they punish the opponent for playing correctly, so obviously something's wrong with them. Cards that work in multiple groups like Monster reborn and DMoC. I take it you mean splashability? Ban Lightning Vortex. Also depending on how much uses that card has. I take it you mean versatility? Ban Enemy Controller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YuugiCM Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 One thing i noticed nobody said was that if a card is too fast it is bandworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 One thing i noticed nobody said was that if a card is too fast it is bandworthy BAN ALL COUNTER TRAPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YuugiCM Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Too fast as in the card makes a strategy happen faster than it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Too fast as in the card makes a strategy happen faster than it should. Ban any card with any draw effect. And any search effect, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemba Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Any card that fits into 3 or more of the catagories on that there list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YuugiCM Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 No because they have a high enough cost wich slows it down, if you notice the current ban list most of those cards have too low of a cost making them faster to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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