The Iliad: Official Discussion Thread

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

Discuss the ridiculously long poem of win.

[Davok]

Odysseus and Hector are epic win. Paris fails bad, though. Aeneas is almost, too.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

Hm. I dunno so much about Paris, but I hate Aeneas too, if only for The Aeneid. I have an affinity with archers, though, 'cuz of Artemis.

[Davok]

Eris is also filled with win for causing a full fledged decade long war by dropping an apple on the gods' table. That is just win filled right there.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

^^That.

 

Incidentally, I still can't decide with whom Achilles was in love. Briseis FTW, though; I hate Patroclus for some reason.

[Davok]

I haven't really read the Iliad in a while, I guess that Briseis and Patroclus are the two slave girls that Achilles was fighting with Agamemmnon over...?

 

Speaking of Ag, his death is awesome. Bloody bathtubs and pissed of ex-wives FTW.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

I haven't really read the Iliad in a while' date=' I guess that Briseis and Patroclus are the two slave girls that Achilles was fighting with Agamemmnon over...?

 

Speaking of Ag, his death is awesome. Bloody bathtubs and pissed of ex-wives FTW.

[/quote']

Not quite. Patroclus was a soldier who was granted brief invincible aristeia by the gods so he'd get overconfident and get himself killed.

 

Briseis was the girl Achilles and Agamemnon fought over.

 

Considering that Ennis Rees named Book XVI after Patroclus, I'm surprised you forgot him. :?

 

He's really sappy is the trouble. Briseis is also among the wisest speakers in The Iliad.

[Davok]

Actually, to tell the truth, I haven't actually read the Iliad as a poem. TT_TT I've read stories, summaries, etc about it, but that's about it. I wanted to read it, but didn't know where to get it. Then I realize that my parents keep a copy of it in the old bookshelf in the basement along with the Odyssey. >.

[bury the year]

We just finished The Odyssey in school, if that's any consolation.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

2nd best book in history, next to the Odyssey. They're all cool, I voted Odysseus but Ajax and Diomedes are win. Odysseus drives Ajax to suicide later on but w/e. Diomedes is hardcore, he attacked Apollo and Aphrodite and survived.

 

Paris is stupid and got a lucky shot in. Achilles is an invincible fighting machine, except that he's not. Menelaus is pro and lives to be a king with Helen and kills stuff.

 

It's cool bra. Oh you should put up Patrocles, he's pretty heroic eh? He's important since he indirectly causes the death of Hector.

 

Oh, and I read Fagles' version, which one'd you read? =P

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

I read Rees's translation; I'm planning on getting others. Fitzgerald's Odyssey, obviously.

 

I'll need to get Fitzgerald's Iliad.

 

I'd have put up Patroclus, but I figured since he's only important for his death, he isn't much of a hero.

[Prince Poison]

Acheles

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[fenrir]

Acheles

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It's Achilles. -_-

 

Anywayz, I've always wanted to read it, but never had a chance.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

Acheles

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It's Achilles. -_-

 

Anywayz' date=' I've always wanted to read it, but never had a chance.

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READ IT.

 

Iz teh epicz.

 

 

Note that even in Homeric times, mêlée weapons were nigh-obsolete. Discuss the evolution of warfare with this in mind.

[LuigiFan#1]

No clue what you just said, but I think Achilles wrecks (In a good way)

[~Shadow Thief~]

I have always liked Achiles I used to also like paris but they made him look stupid in the movie

 

 

:Dlol:D this would make a really good club

[fenrir]

Acheles

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It's Achilles. -_-

 

Anywayz' date=' I've always wanted to read it, but never had a chance.

[/quote']

 

READ IT.

 

Iz teh epicz.

 

 

Note that even in Homeric times, mêlée weapons were nigh-obsolete. Discuss the evolution of warfare with this in mind.

The Evolution of warfare:

It went like this.

 

Guy throws rock to kill guy.

 

Rock kills guy.

 

Guy who threw rock did not get hurt.

 

Other guy runs to guy with rock to kill him with stick.

 

Before he made it, guy with rock killed guy with stick.

 

Guy made better rock.

 

Guy ruled teh w0rldz.

[OMGAKITTY]

I have always liked Achiles I used to also like paris but they made him look stupid in the movie

 

 

:Dlol:D this would make a really good club

 

They made Paris look a lot more important than he ever really was. Paris' role was pretty much this: an oracle had predicted Paris would lead to the downfall of Troy, so his dad sent him off to shepherd sheep. The three goddess come and bribe him, and being the horny bastard he is, he picked Helen. He then proceeded to get himself killed, but no one cared, because he sucked.