Smokers feeling abused...lol

[Amethyst Phoenix]

Or some people will move to different countries where tobacco is cheaper.

 

That works too. I don't care whether thousands of smokers live or die, just get their smoke the hell away from the rest of us >_>

[Willieh]

A) It doesn't cause a prohibition effect like banning it would.

B) People are less likely to start because of the monetary expense.

C) People that are smoking are more likely to kick the habit due to costs.

D) People that still smoke will lose LOTS of money to it' date=' therefore limiting the activities of people who think it's actually a good idea to slowly kill yourself and possibly others. For example, due to the large costs of buying more and more tobacco products, they will have less money to buy gas, eat out, go to the movies, etc. This makes it so there are less smokers making our air noxious in public settings.

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Actually this is not true.

 

People who are addicted WILL pay.

 

People who are told smoking will give them lung cancer, and choose to smoke anyway, probably don't care about a small tax increase.

 

And this will not impact America so hard that they will not be able to go out in public and smoke. It could, however, cause the homeless who smoke to beg for more money. :/

 

 

Honestly, if the government was smart, they would make foods and beverages higher priced. Necessities.

 

And if the US was really smart, we would actually over produce the sheet out of cigarettes and sell them to other countries. American made cigarettes sell for nearly 50% more money in foreign countries.

 

And as far as us slowly killing ourselves... that's really irrelevant. It IS abusive to the smoking community... well... seeing as it really only attacks the smoking community and no one else. Though it is their fault that they smoke; it is a shitty thing to do.

 

Inb4butthurtnonsmokerswhothrowtantrumsoverpeoplewhosmokeinpublic

[Father Wolf]

everyone has freedom to do what they want; unless it effects other ppl. Im not talking about 2nd hand smoke thats ur problem if u near it, tard. no im talking about drugs that endanger other ppl who cant truly avoid it. Like Drinking.

[tonisanoob]

im not sure wether i think smokign should be banned or not

 

its sutch an idiotic thing to do!

yet it makes LOTS of money for the government through tax =/

 

so ykno its a good and bad thing, yet if the government wanted peple to smoke they wouldnt have no-smoking campains

[Deadmau5]

Personally, I find smoking a stupid habit that people can't kick

I mean, my girlfriend and my dad both smoke (the first socially, the second is hooked...), and I am not comfortable with it, but I am not against what they do.

But the fact still stands, it is actually abuse towards the smoking community, as they are the only ones affected. However, if they chose to start doing something stupid, then they should pay for it, both figuratively and now literally.

[Guest JoshIcy]

everyone has freedom to do what they want; unless it effects other ppl. Im not talking about 2nd hand smoke thats ur problem if u near it' date=' tard. no im talking about drugs that endanger other ppl who cant truly avoid it. Like Drinking.

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2nd Hand Smoke is airborne.

You can't always get away, tard.

 

However, drinking requires that you actually pick up the bottle/can/glass/shoe, to drink it. You can avoid it...

[Father Wolf]

everyone has freedom to do what they want; unless it effects other ppl. Im not talking about 2nd hand smoke thats ur problem if u near it' date=' tard. no im talking about drugs that endanger other ppl who cant truly avoid it. Like Drinking.

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2nd Hand Smoke is airborne.

You can't always get away, tard.

 

However, drinking requires that you actually pick up the bottle/can/glass/shoe, to drink it. You can avoid it...

 

u could leave the room where the smoker is. =P plus i think most smokers have the curdicy (or how ever its spelled) to excuse them self's from the room so they can light up.

 

If yo the jabroni that happens to be on the wrong side of a drunk, u can't avoid him wanting to kick yo ass. Same for pcp, Speed, and drugs that truly has no positive effects what so ever.

[Guest JoshIcy]

everyone has freedom to do what they want; unless it effects other ppl. Im not talking about 2nd hand smoke thats ur problem if u near it' date=' tard. no im talking about drugs that endanger other ppl who cant truly avoid it. Like Drinking.

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2nd Hand Smoke is airborne.

You can't always get away, tard.

 

However, drinking requires that you actually pick up the bottle/can/glass/shoe, to drink it. You can avoid it...

 

u could leave the room where the smoker is. =P plus i think most smokers have the curdicy (or how ever its spelled) to excuse them self's from the room so they can light up.

 

If yo the jabroni that happens to be on the wrong side of a drunk, u can't avoid him wanting to kick yo ass. Same for pcp, Speed, and drugs that truly has no positive effects what so ever.

 

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[Amethyst Phoenix]

Having to adjust your plans so some person can slowly kill themselves where they want to is ridiculous.

 

And the government isn't "abusing" someone when they raise the price on something. "Because it only effects us" is such a BS reason. You're just doing the same thing any group does these days when they don't get their way. You whine and call people prejudiced until you get what you want.

 

Examples that happen all the time:

 

2 students in high school are trying out for football. One is clearly more skilled than the other. One happens to be white, and one happens to be black. The one that did better at the tryouts was the white person. The coach picks the white person because he did better at tryouts. The black person throws a hissy fit, calls it a hate crime, sues the school, gets the coach fired, and automatically gets on the team next season.

 

A man and woman are both working for a company. The employer has to lay one off, so he looks through their performance records. The man is a diigent worker and puts out excellent work. The women puts out Excellent work also, but slacks off and uses more sick days then she should. So the employer fires the female employee, because the male one has proven to be more reliable over the years. The women goes into a huge frenzy, calls it sexism, sues the company, and then claims she was abused just to get extra sympathy.

 

And now, an example of what this "smoking community feeling abused" is virtually:

There's an equal amount of smokers and non-smokers in a community. The government raises the price on cigarettes. The smokers (who consciously choose to smoke, or did until they became addicted, yet refuse to get help) are angry that their nonsmoking neighbors have more money and can buy nicer things because they don't have to blow so much cash on smoking. They throw a big hissy fit, say they're being "abused", get a bunch of media attention, and waste their time jabroniing at the government.

 

History repeats itself, no?

[~Shore]

I smell another icyblue vs. father wolf comic =D

 

anyways, idk if much will make smokers stop. its their problem

I just hope this stops people from smoking

besides, if smoker's are gonna kill themselves anyway, and put lots of crap in the air, the gov might as well get some money

[Father Wolf]

everyone has freedom to do what they want; unless it effects other ppl. Im not talking about 2nd hand smoke thats ur problem if u near it' date=' tard. no im talking about drugs that endanger other ppl who cant truly avoid it. Like Drinking.

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2nd Hand Smoke is airborne.

You can't always get away, tard.

 

However, drinking requires that you actually pick up the bottle/can/glass/shoe, to drink it. You can avoid it...

 

u could leave the room where the smoker is. =P plus i think most smokers have the curdicy (or how ever its spelled) to excuse them self's from the room so they can light up.

 

If yo the jabroni that happens to be on the wrong side of a drunk, u can't avoid him wanting to kick yo ass. Same for pcp, Speed, and drugs that truly has no positive effects what so ever.

 

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[Willieh]

Having to adjust your plans so some person can slowly kill themselves where they want to is ridiculous.

 

And the government isn't "abusing" someone when they raise the price on something. "Because it only effects us" is such a BS reason. You're just doing the same thing any group does these days when they don't get their way. You whine and call people prejudiced until you get what you want.

 

Examples that happen all the time:

 

2 students in high school are trying out for football. One is clearly more skilled than the other. One happens to be white' date=' and one happens to be black. The one that did better at the tryouts was the white person. The coach picks the white person because he did better at tryouts. The black person throws a hissy fit, calls it a hate crime, sues the school, gets the coach fired, and automatically gets on the team next season.

 

A man and woman are both working for a company. The employer has to lay one off, so he looks through their performance records. The man is a diigent worker and puts out excellent work. The women puts out Excellent work also, but slacks off and uses more sick days then she should. So the employer fires the female employee, because the male one has proven to be more reliable over the years. The women goes into a huge frenzy, calls it sexism, sues the company, and then claims she was abused just to get extra sympathy.

 

And now, an example of what this "smoking community feeling abused" is virtually:

There's an equal amount of smokers and non-smokers in a community. The government raises the price on cigarettes. The smokers (who consciously choose to smoke, or did until they became addicted, yet refuse to get help) are angry that their nonsmoking neighbors have more money and can buy nicer things because they don't have to blow so much cash on smoking. They throw a big hissy fit, say they're being "abused", get a bunch of media attention, and waste their time jabroniing at the government.

 

History repeats itself, no?

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Um.

 

You seem to not understand what I'm saying.

 

First of all it... ummm... it IS prejudice. Well, assuming that the only ones buying cigarettes are those who smoke. And it's not that the neighbors have MORE money, it's that we have less money.

 

I think we should take all the disgusting obese people, and tax the ever living funk out of their fast food.

 

I find the people that are INCREDIBLY over weight to be much more disgusting than smokers.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

Having to adjust your plans so some person can slowly kill themselves where they want to is ridiculous.

 

And the government isn't "abusing" someone when they raise the price on something. "Because it only effects us" is such a BS reason. You're just doing the same thing any group does these days when they don't get their way. You whine and call people prejudiced until you get what you want.

 

Examples that happen all the time:

 

2 students in high school are trying out for football. One is clearly more skilled than the other. One happens to be white' date=' and one happens to be black. The one that did better at the tryouts was the white person. The coach picks the white person because he did better at tryouts. The black person throws a hissy fit, calls it a hate crime, sues the school, gets the coach fired, and automatically gets on the team next season.

 

A man and woman are both working for a company. The employer has to lay one off, so he looks through their performance records. The man is a diigent worker and puts out excellent work. The women puts out Excellent work also, but slacks off and uses more sick days then she should. So the employer fires the female employee, because the male one has proven to be more reliable over the years. The women goes into a huge frenzy, calls it sexism, sues the company, and then claims she was abused just to get extra sympathy.

 

And now, an example of what this "smoking community feeling abused" is virtually:

There's an equal amount of smokers and non-smokers in a community. The government raises the price on cigarettes. The smokers (who consciously choose to smoke, or did until they became addicted, yet refuse to get help) are angry that their nonsmoking neighbors have more money and can buy nicer things because they don't have to blow so much cash on smoking. They throw a big hissy fit, say they're being "abused", get a bunch of media attention, and waste their time jabroniing at the government.

 

History repeats itself, no?

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Um.

 

You seem to not understand what I'm saying.

 

First of all it... ummm... it IS prejudice. Well, assuming that the only ones buying cigarettes are those who smoke. And it's not that the neighbors have MORE money, it's that we have less money.

 

I think we should take all the disgusting obese people, and tax the ever living f*** out of their fast food.

 

I find the people that are INCREDIBLY over weight to be much more disgusting than smokers.

 

I had this huge, ridiculously deep post all typed up and then this god damn laptop shuts off >_>

 

I'll just give you the gist:

 

A) Complaining about it being "abuse" towards smokers for raising the price of cigarettes and then advocating the same "abuse" towards people that eat fast food is hypocrisy.

 

B) Political Correctness fails, because, no matter what your views, it's logic will eventually say you're a bad person.

 

C) The price raise is about making money; nobody cares enough about you to go out of their way to "abuse" you. Even if they really were "abusing" you, the rest of world doesn't care about it. Therefore, all you accomplish by complaining about "abuse" towards smokers is:

a) preaching to the choir.

b) attempting to impose your views on people who don't give a funk.

 

D) Hating others for being prejudiced is being prejudiced towards prejudiced people, and therefore makes you prejudiced. Another example of hypocrisy.

 

I was also considering going into a rant about other things, but I got bored and want a Dr Pepper now.

[Willieh]

 

Having to adjust your plans so some person can slowly kill themselves where they want to is ridiculous.

 

And the government isn't "abusing" someone when they raise the price on something. "Because it only effects us" is such a BS reason. You're just doing the same thing any group does these days when they don't get their way. You whine and call people prejudiced until you get what you want.

 

Examples that happen all the time:

 

2 students in high school are trying out for football. One is clearly more skilled than the other. One happens to be white' date=' and one happens to be black. The one that did better at the tryouts was the white person. The coach picks the white person because he did better at tryouts. The black person throws a hissy fit, calls it a hate crime, sues the school, gets the coach fired, and automatically gets on the team next season.

 

A man and woman are both working for a company. The employer has to lay one off, so he looks through their performance records. The man is a diigent worker and puts out excellent work. The women puts out Excellent work also, but slacks off and uses more sick days then she should. So the employer fires the female employee, because the male one has proven to be more reliable over the years. The women goes into a huge frenzy, calls it sexism, sues the company, and then claims she was abused just to get extra sympathy.

 

And now, an example of what this "smoking community feeling abused" is virtually:

There's an equal amount of smokers and non-smokers in a community. The government raises the price on cigarettes. The smokers (who consciously choose to smoke, or did until they became addicted, yet refuse to get help) are angry that their nonsmoking neighbors have more money and can buy nicer things because they don't have to blow so much cash on smoking. They throw a big hissy fit, say they're being "abused", get a bunch of media attention, and waste their time jabroniing at the government.

 

History repeats itself, no?

[/quote']

 

Um.

 

You seem to not understand what I'm saying.

 

First of all it... ummm... it IS prejudice. Well, assuming that the only ones buying cigarettes are those who smoke. And it's not that the neighbors have MORE money, it's that we have less money.

 

I think we should take all the disgusting obese people, and tax the ever living f*** out of their fast food.

 

I find the people that are INCREDIBLY over weight to be much more disgusting than smokers.

 

I had this huge, ridiculously deep post all typed up and then this god damn laptop shuts off >_>

 

I'll just give you the gist:

 

A) Complaining about it being "abuse" towards smokers for raising the price of cigarettes and then advocating the same "abuse" towards people that eat fast food is hypocrisy.

 

B) Political Correctness fails, because, no matter what your views, it's logic will eventually say you're a bad person.

 

C) The price raise is about making money; nobody cares enough about you to go out of their way to "abuse" you. Even if they really were "abusing" you, the rest of world doesn't care about it. Therefore, all you accomplish by complaining about "abuse" towards smokers is:

a) preaching to the choir.

b) attempting to impose your views on people who don't give a f***.

 

D) Hating others for being prejudiced is being prejudiced towards prejudiced people, and therefore makes you prejudiced. Another example of hypocrisy.

 

I was also considering going into a rant about other things, but I got bored and want a Dr Pepper now.

 

 

Reading "D" I assume we can both agree that it is prejudice, even as ridiculous as it is to call it prejudice.

 

on A: Actually, I was simply stating that it IS abuse seeing as it targets one specific group of people. The fast food industry targets everybody, and causes health deficiency in people, like cigarettes. The fat person thing was out of place. Heh. But, moving on to C: taxing the population buying from Fast foods would make more sense seeing as more people eat from fast food restaurants than smoke. You would be making more money, and wouldn't have just a minority jabroniing at you. Also, I'll assume that the only reason these people wouldn't give a funk is because it would only target... well people who aren't them. Which is prejudice. And ... umm B is kind of irrelevant seeing as political correction has nothing to do with this particular chain of events. Prejudice isn't politically correct, and fixing the prejudicial situation would not be political correction... It would be moral fixation on a particular situation that isn't fair to a particular group of people.

 

Now, this would be different if the group of people wasn't so large. For example; in my state people are jabroniing about other people being allowed to have a tag-plate on their care showing that they are a christian. And this plate sports a crucifix. These people are funking retarded because they aren't saying that they can't have a tag-plate that shows their religion, they are saying that the other people shouldn't have a tag-plate showing their religion.

 

Or, for another example, some people say that it's unfair we don't have every single sign in America in both English and Spanish. But this is stupid because the National language of America is English. The Mexicans, Spaniards, French, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, ETC. know that the national language is English before even coming over here, or teaching their children their native language, and then complain about lack of their culture and language in the country that has a national language already set that opposes theirs.

 

Increasing the tax on cigarettes does nothing but set smokers back, and harms only smokers.

 

Thus, increasing the tax on Cigarettes sells is abuse to the smoking community.

[Nnoitra Jiruga]

*sigh*cigarettes...so easy to avoid...yet so many people do it,just another way to rip people off and destroy their life at the same time,it`s just sickening

[Cyber Altair]

2nd hand and 3rd hand smoking jabroni'

 

Suicide, faster, easier and now for a limited offer hell of a lot cheaper.