Adolf Hitler

[Wyhe]

 

Switzerland was a Nazi harboring country that restricted the Allies from moving through them.

 

Look here' date=' Switzerland is smart not to confront with other countries for the past...many years, and try to grow their wealth without angering other powerful nations...in fact they were left out of annexation by Germany and even the current EU

 

 

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i think Hitler is a pretty cool guy, eh kills 6 million people and doesnt afraid of anything

Not afraid...ha ha ha, my foot lah!

He committed suicide when the Allies were near to get him and Germany, leaving his entire nation to suffer for his stupid mistakes.

 

Say that is not patriotic...if he were truly patriotic, he would face his own judgment and not implicate his "beloved" nation along...

 

P.S. Hitler's an Austrian, so not German...and not loyal to the German State

[KamuiK]

Say that is not patriotic...if he were truly patriotic' date=' he would face his own judgment and not implicate his "beloved" nation along...

 

P.S. [b']Hitler's an Austrian[/b], so not German...and not loyal to the German State

Patriotism is not about 'we are cool because you suck' but about 'we are cool because we have stuff you have not' (like democracy for example). Hitler was nationalistic, which is the former one. Oh, and yes, Hitler was austrian, not german, and even if he believed he was german and became german citizen, he still was not born german.

 

Brasil was a Nazi harboring country.

Fixed.

[Kagamine Len]

I just realised, depending on your views on Hitler, the way you phrase his achievements/horrors can send people either way.

 

As I said earlier in the thread, Hitler was a great leader, and he had good intentions, well, for Germany (I said for his country last time, because I didn't know he was austrian). His only flaw was how he fulfilled his goals. Blaming all the jews for Germany's poverty got the people on his side, which made his plans a lot easier. I guess he could have said something else, but the people were not willing to go with anything else.

 

In short: Great player, wrong moves.

[Scrooge]

In my opinion,Hitler may not have been a great man,but definetely a great leader.

 

He pulled Gremany out of the financial crisis and defeated 2 powerful countries,France and Britain,in a flash.He was pwned only because he fought multiple forces at the same time.

 

On the other hand,he killed millions.But hey...he was a politician.Politicians rarely consider morality whether it's about their personal benefits or for their own country.

 

So,because Hitler was a politician,I believe it would be unfair to judge him as a man.

[Felix Culpa]

Hitler was one of the greatest democratic leaders of his time, maybe of all time. Hitler, if anyone cared to look past the Holocaust and the "Final Solution", was elected in a democratic election. He convinced, through propoganda, that they were the best, but there were still those who weren't worthy. And thus, we have events such as Krystallnacht. You people just don't understand that there is another side to the most feared man in history. And if you don't believe me, do you know Attila the Hun died? Hmm, no? He died because of a bloody nose. He was to drunk to notice and died of blood loss. Doesn't sound too ferocious now does he? Adolf Hitler was the same way. Some people say, "Don't judge a book by its cover.", yet still people do. It is human nature to hate and war against others.

 

By the way, if you don't believe me about this. If you ask me, the Nazi's were no better than the Democrats during the 1940's. FDR sent many people of Japanese-American ancestry on the West Coast to internment camps, making them lose jobs, and housing. Of course, we didn't kill them all, but still, we had imprisoned people who were rightfully citizens of this country, and that, my friends, is wrong no matter how you look at it.

 

Of course, I am not going to completely downplay the abilities of destruction that Hitler caused. He killed over six million Jews. If you look past that, he also kill about 8.4 million Christians, mainly Catholic, who were POW's.

 

You can blame them, because that was more recent. Many people in the USA in the 1940's didn't even know of the Japanese internment camps, because USA frowned upon it, just like they frown on Hitler's actions. So please, don't be so hasty in your desicions.

[Sid.]

One question: Was Hitler religious? That could play a part(tiny little one) on why he killed tons of ppl.

 

 

EDIT: Just saw this.

 

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Prometheus' date=' I'm gonna be straight with you.

 

You're an ignorant moron.

 

God doesn't exist, you are deluded and ignorant, and your logic is severely flawed.

 

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

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GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

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GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

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GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

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Lemme tell you something. People who constantly enforce their views are either extremists, or ignorant.

Its not your choice to choose what people believe. So shut up.

[Ecoboy1324]

One question: Was Hitler religious? That could play a part(tiny little one) on why he killed tons of ppl.

 

There is speculation that he was Jewish in his youth but nothing has been proven

[Jericho]

One question: Was Hitler religious? That could play a part(tiny little one) on why he killed tons of ppl.

 

...by defending myself against the Jew' date=' I am fighting for the work of the Lord..[/quote']

[Ecoboy1324]

One question: Was Hitler religious? That could play a part(tiny little one) on why he killed tons of ppl.

 

...by defending myself against the Jew' date=' I am fighting for the work of the Lord..[/quote']

 

Bear in mind Cristianity and Judaism worship the same god

[HORUS]

One question: Was Hitler religious? That could play a part(tiny little one) on why he killed tons of ppl.

 

 

EDIT: Just saw this.

 

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Prometheus' date=' I'm gonna be straight with you.

 

You're an ignorant moron.

 

God doesn't exist, you are deluded and ignorant, and your logic is severely flawed.

 

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

GOD DOESN'T EXIST, RELIGION IS DELUSION

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Lemme tell you something. People who constantly enforce their views are either extremists, or ignorant.

Its not your choice to choose what people believe. So shut up.

 

Hitler was a Christian.

 

Lemme tell you something. People who constantly refuse the truth are irrational, ignorant theists.

[Felix Culpa]

Well, this is a religious debate now, which makes me wonder why you people are bringing up atheism and religion in the "Adolf Hitler" topic.

[Jericho]

Well' date=' this is a religious debate now, which makes me wonder why you people are bringing up atheism and religion in the "Adolf Hitler" topic.

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It was over until Sid brought it back up.

[HORUS]

Well' date=' this is a religious debate now, which makes me wonder why you people are bringing up atheism and religion in the "Adolf Hitler" topic.

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Because delusional theists think that Adolf Hitler was atheist (which he wasn't) and therefore that was why he killed Jews.

 

OBVIOUSLY TRUE!!!1!!!!1!

 

 

All atheists are immoral. Duh.

[Sid.]

Well' date=' this is a religious debate now, which makes me wonder why you people are bringing up atheism and religion in the "Adolf Hitler" topic.

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It was over until Sid brought it back up.

 

Yeah sorry about that. I made a topic about it now. Lets get back to hitler.

Visionary indeed, no?

[Jericho]

Well' date=' this is a religious debate now, which makes me wonder why you people are bringing up atheism and religion in the "Adolf Hitler" topic.

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It was over until Sid brought it back up.

 

Yeah sorry about that. I made a topic about it now. Lets get back to hitler.

Visionary indeed, no?

 

Why is it that people say "no" when they mean "yes"? And indeed, he was.

[Felix Culpa]

Yes, he was visionary. I agree.

[Amaterasu]

I am the best world leader. My music drives the minds of thousands of people world wide.

[Exyst]

 

Hitle has his own Awesome, so he is awesome, no?

[Çå®∂îñål]

yet another hitle thread on the boards not a bad guy just insane

[Lelouch Lamperouge]

I am the best world leader. My music drives the minds of thousands of people world wide.

 

No.

Just no.

[CrabHelmet]

Hitler was one of the greatest democratic leaders of his time' date=' maybe of all time. Hitler, if anyone cared to look past the Holocaust and the "Final Solution", [i']was[/i] elected in a democratic election. He convinced, through propoganda, that they were the best, but there were still those who weren't worthy. And thus, we have events such as Krystallnacht.

 

This statement is confusing. From my reading, you appear to be saying that the Krystallnacht occurred because some people weren't worthy to see how awesome Hitler was despite all the propaganda he used to convince them. Please clarify.

 

You people just don't understand that there is another side to the most feared man in history. And if you don't believe me' date=' do you know Attila the Hun died? Hmm, no? He died because of a bloody nose. He was to drunk to notice and died of blood loss. Doesn't sound too ferocious now does he?

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Sure he does. What, was I supposed to expect that he was a magical cyborg and he was only killed while taking on an entire army single-handedly and after killing most of it? A man can be terrifying even if his flesh is still flesh.

 

Adolf Hitler was the same way. Some people say' date=' "Don't judge a book by its cover.", yet still people do. It is human nature to hate and war against others.

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I hate to break it to you, but judging a man by "he was actually not a cyborg in his personal life" rather than his actions is judging a book by his cover.

 

By the way' date=' if you don't believe me about this. If you ask me, the Nazi's were no better than the Democrats during the 1940's.

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I'm going to assume that this is the opposite of what you mean to say: that the Democrats were no better than the Nazi party.

 

FDR sent many people of Japanese-American ancestry on the West Coast to internment camps' date=' making them lose jobs, and housing. Of course, we didn't kill them all, but still, we had imprisoned people who were rightfully citizens of this country, and that, my friends, is wrong no matter how you look at it.

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Of course it was wrong; everyone knows this. However, you need to look at the significant differences: the Japanese Americans were rounded up not because the government hated them but because they were seen as a threat to national security (and a few were, though a vast minority and certainly not enough to justify the action). Recall also the differing circumstances - the Axis was waging a war of aggression, whereas America was doing all it could to avoid combat before it was finally attacked directly and forced into the war. And, as you already noted, they weren't mass murdered.

 

You assume that all forms of "wrong" are equally bad, ignoring that there are different degrees of wrong - jaywalking is not as bad as theft, which in turn is not as bad as murder. Because of this ludicrous assumption, you conclude that the Nazi party was no worse than the Americans (the Republicans and Democrats were united on this issue, so saying "Democrats" is misleading, to say the least), on the grounds that both were wrong, ignoring the obvious problem that the Nazi party was much more wrong. However, it gets worse from there. But then there's the next step:

 

So please' date=' don't be so hasty in your desicions.

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Based on the overall thesis of your post, I conclude that the next implied argument is that "since the Nazi party was no worse than the Americans, Hitler's mass murder doesn't make him a bad guy, and you are wrong to think that it does". This, naturally, is just nonsense.

[PrometheusMFD]

*Ahem*

Adolf Hitler was a Vegetarian, Enviornmentalist, Anti-Animal testing, ect ect ect. The reason he is considered "evil" is because he condemned 6 million people to death. Yes, he considered members of his own species ut, I do concider him less evil than most "modern enviromentalists" due to the fact that his actions were to improve the human race (or, what he believed would be improvement), whereas environmentalists believe that humans are the worst thing to ever happen.

[CrabHelmet]

*Ahem*

Adolf Hitler was a Vegetarian' date=' Enviornmentalist, Anti-Animal testing, ect ect ect. The reason he is considered "evil" is because he condemned 6 million people to death.

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What, he was a mass murderer, but anyone who holds that against him is stupid because he didn't eat meat?

 

Yes' date=' he considered members of his [b']own species[/b] ut, I do concider him less evil than most "modern enviromentalists" due to the fact that his actions were to improve the human race (or, what he believed would be improvement), whereas environmentalists believe that humans are the worst thing to ever happen.

 

He wasn't interested in the human race. He was interested in the people with whom he aligned himself, and acted to the detriment of the species as a whole.

 

Also, I would love to hear how believing that humans have damaged the environment makes someone evil when mass murder does not. Go on. I'll wait.

[NeoDemonX]

Wow this thread is so great that Crab Helmet is not locking this thread and Hitler was one of the greatest bad guy leaders is history

[PrometheusMFD]

*Ahem*

Adolf Hitler was a Vegetarian' date=' Enviornmentalist, Anti-Animal testing, ect ect ect. The reason he is considered "evil" is because he condemned 6 million people to death.

[/quote']

 

What, he was a mass murderer, but anyone who holds that against him is stupid because he didn't eat meat?

 

Yes' date=' he considered members of his [b']own species[/b] ut, I do concider him less evil than most "modern enviromentalists" due to the fact that his actions were to improve the human race (or, what he believed would be improvement), whereas environmentalists believe that humans are the worst thing to ever happen.

 

He wasn't interested in the human race. He was interested in the people with whom he aligned himself, and acted to the detriment of the species as a whole.

 

Also, I would love to hear how believing that humans have damaged the environment makes someone evil when mass murder does not. Go on. I'll wait.

 

Fine.

Hitler wanted to kill anyone that he did not determine as the "Master Race". This included Jews, Gypsies, and really anyone who wasn't blond with blue eyes. (that was his definition of an Aryan). Also, anyone who had relatives within 2 generations that weren't part of his dreamed society were not part of the "master race" as well.

Despite the murder of millions, Hitler honestly believed he was in the right. His belief system had him thinking that the extermination of those peoples would further advance the human race.

 

Environmentalists on the other hand believe that the human race is the cause of all evil. That the prosperity of humanity is bad for the world (which, if you thought for yourself for once, it isn't) and that humans have more influence in the planet than they truely do. In short, they want all of humanity to just drop dead. Nothing to help, just drop dead.

 

I think the actual murder of 6 million is 1/1000th as bad as the want for the deaths of 6 billion, don't you?