Everyone who posts in this topic is gay.

[HORUS]

Because you the communist will recieve no rights or any type of freedom depending on the rule.

 

THERE IS NO RULER.

 

Prometheus, communism has never succeeded because it has never existed.

[Metal Lord]

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Icy' date=' this isn't a debate, I just want to see how ignorant everyone is.

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Then just look in the mirror, dumbass.

We're not ignorant, we just have different beliefs and morals than you. Don't need to call us dumbass, dumbass.

 

And I never did call you a dumbass.

 

 

I be sensin' it.

[Santi :D]

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Because you the communist will recieve no rights or any type of freedom depending on the rule.

 

THERE IS NO RULER.

 

Prometheus' date=' communism has never succeeded because it has never existed.

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Wrong

 

There always is a ruler. Its similar to Monarchy.

[Static]

There is nothing morally unacceptable with the Theory of Communism: Marxism.

 

Everything that Marxism calls for is based on equality and assumes the philosophies which Marx himself believed in.

 

Economic Equality: Justified through the fact that Marx did not believe in human free will. We are the result of what was and what we are is the cause of what will be and human thought is not independent of this cycle of change.

 

For those of you who would be troubled by this form of thought, it is easily overruled with a little bit of Nietzsche: No matter what we are bound to become, we must live our lives as if everything we "choose" to do makes all the difference, because no matter how much of our lives we control, it does make all the difference.

 

Social Equality: Same as Above

 

Social Restriction: Ensures equality.

 

People should NOT be allowed to make up religious institutions (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_day_adventist, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_satan ) at their own will. Think of why we have Freedom of Religion. It exists so that people can escape persecution, NOT so that crazies can have a means to allow sick and perverse people to act in such a way that it could dodge the law (Branch Davidian -> sexually abusing children, Catholic Church -> Sexually abusing children, etc...).

 

Monetary Restriction: Ensures equality. You shouldn't live a better life than someone else because you're "more capable" than they are.

 

 

 

Simply said: There is no immorality in the Marxian Theory. Marx was a genius and a scholar who had an understanding of right and wrong. Unless you are so selfish that you would disagree with the statement directly above this paragraph, or if you think that it's "too bad" for people who are born in unfortunate circumstances, then you should not find anything immoral about Marxian theory. To the people who would be so selfish: I hope that one day you will see the world for what it really is.

[OMGAKITTY]

There is nothing morally unacceptable with the Theory of Communism: Marxism.

 

Everything that Marxism calls for is based on equality and assumes the philosophies which Marx himself believed in.

 

Economic Equality: Justified through the fact that Marx did not believe in human free will. We are the result of what was and what we are is the cause of what will be and human thought is not independent of this cycle of change.

 

For those of you who would be troubled by this form of thought' date=' it is easily overruled with a little bit of Nietzsche: No matter what we are bound to become, we must live our lives as if everything we "choose" to do makes all the difference, because no matter how much of our lives we control, it does make all the difference.

 

Social Equality: Same as Above

 

Social Restriction: Ensures equality.

 

People should NOT be allowed to make up religious institutions (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_day_adventist, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_satan ) at their own will. Think of why we have Freedom of Religion. It exists so that people can escape persecution, NOT so that crazies can have a means to allow sick and perverse people to act in such a way that it could dodge the law (Branch Davidian -> sexually abusing children, Catholic Church -> Sexually abusing children, etc...).

 

Monetary Restriction: Ensures equality. [b']You shouldn't live a better life than someone else because you're "more capable" than they are.[/b]

 

 

 

Simply said: There is no immorality in the Marxian Theory. Marx was a genius and a scholar who had an understanding of right and wrong. Unless you are so selfish that you would disagree with the statement directly above this paragraph, or if you think that it's "too bad" for people who are born in unfortunate circumstances, then you should not find anything immoral about Marxian theory. To the people who would be so selfish: I hope that one day you will see the world for what it really is.

 

And why shouldn't I? If I can do something better than the other guy, why shouldn't I be allowed to capitalize on that?

[Static]

There is nothing morally unacceptable with the Theory of Communism: Marxism.

 

Everything that Marxism calls for is based on equality and assumes the philosophies which Marx himself believed in.

 

Economic Equality: Justified through the fact that Marx did not believe in human free will. We are the result of what was and what we are is the cause of what will be and human thought is not independent of this cycle of change.

 

For those of you who would be troubled by this form of thought' date=' it is easily overruled with a little bit of Nietzsche: No matter what we are bound to become, we must live our lives as if everything we "choose" to do makes all the difference, because no matter how much of our lives we control, it does make all the difference.

 

Social Equality: Same as Above

 

Social Restriction: Ensures equality.

 

People should NOT be allowed to make up religious institutions (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_day_adventist, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_satan ) at their own will. Think of why we have Freedom of Religion. It exists so that people can escape persecution, NOT so that crazies can have a means to allow sick and perverse people to act in such a way that it could dodge the law (Branch Davidian -> sexually abusing children, Catholic Church -> Sexually abusing children, etc...).

 

Monetary Restriction: Ensures equality. [b']You shouldn't live a better life than someone else because you're "more capable" than they are.[/b]

 

 

 

Simply said: There is no immorality in the Marxian Theory. Marx was a genius and a scholar who had an understanding of right and wrong. Unless you are so selfish that you would disagree with the statement directly above this paragraph, or if you think that it's "too bad" for people who are born in unfortunate circumstances, then you should not find anything immoral about Marxian theory. To the people who would be so selfish: I hope that one day you will see the world for what it really is.

 

And why shouldn't I? If I can do something better than the other guy, why shouldn't I be allowed to capitalize on that?

 

Given that human free will does not exist, it would be wrong to let you have a better life.

 

Given that perhaps it does exist, it would still be wrong to let you have a better life than someone else because people aren't what their actions make them, they're beings, all of which deserve the same regardless of what sort of lifestyle they choose to live.

[OMGAKITTY]

So the doctor who works tirelessly to save lives should be treated the same as the rapist, child molester, the murderer, the bum who decides he doesn't want to go to work everyday, or contribute to society.

[Ecoboy1324]

So the doctor who works tirelessly to save lives should be treated the same as the rapist' date=' child molester, the murderer, the bum who decides he doesn't want to go to work everyday, or contribute to society.

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No the doctor who works and contributes to the society should be treated and paid the same as the street worker,the teachers etc...

He or she should be free to do whatever he or she wants to contribute to the big picture and should not have to be bound by how much he/she makes.

The murders rapist child molesters should be tried and if found guilty shot right there. The Bum of course can be willing to not work he/she just wont get the nessicates to live from the government

[OMGAKITTY]

So even thought the doctor goes through years of training, he should be paid and treated the same as the janitor who learned his job in a month.

[Ecoboy1324]

So even thought the doctor goes through years of training' date=' he should be paid and treated the same as the janitor who learned his job in a month.

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Essentially yes The doctor should only become a doctor becouse he wants to cure people and not for the money

[HORUS]

Static to the rescue.

 

Santi, you obviously don't know what Communism is.

 

It's very much the opposite of a monarchy, you complete moron.

[Frunk]

It's not communism that's the problem, it's humanity.

 

Game, set, match.

[HORUS]

Frunk wins once again.

[Azmodius]

Sheesh, some people fail to recognize what communism really is. Not you, Horus.

 

And your Anarcho-Communism sounds just lovely! ^_^

[PrometheusMFD]

It's not communism that's the problem' date=' it's humanity.

 

Game, set, match.

[/quote']

 

But isn't Communism a product of humanity?

And yes, I do say that some humans are the worst thing to ever happen to humanity. *coughcoughenvironmentalistscoughcough*

[PrometheusMFD]

Here is a question to all you communists out there: Has there ever been a single time, a single time, when communism succeeded in its goals?

[pitchblack64]

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Because you the communist will recieve no rights or any type of freedom depending on the rule.

 

THERE IS NO RULER.

 

Prometheus' date=' communism has never succeeded because it has never existed.

[/quote']holy sheet your messed up dude it has existed and it has failed every single damn time

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oh little side note i should know i grew up in a communist country

[PrometheusMFD]

Which one?

 

And yes, communism has existed and failed because it became fascism.

You have...

USSR

North Korea

China

Italy

ect

ect

 

It failed every time.

[pitchblack64]

thank you

prometheus

[Static]

Which one?

 

And yes' date=' communism has existed and failed because it became fascism.

You have...

USSR

North Korea

China

Italy

ect

ect

 

It failed every time.

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NO, YOU'RE WRONG !!!

 

Fascism is CAPITALISM in decay. Those "communist countries" were authoritarian regimes, not fascist regimes. Fascism is NATIONALIST SOCIALISM. Nationalism is the opposite of communist social thought, nationalism is elitism.

 

America is more of a fascist regime than any of the countries you listed, the elite are the rich.

 

So the doctor who works tirelessly to save lives should be treated the same as the rapist' date=' child molester, the murderer, the bum who decides he doesn't want to go to work everyday, or contribute to society.

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The child molester is put to death, justice prevails in communism just like it does in every other society that has ever existed.

 

So even thought the doctor goes through years of training' date=' he should be paid and treated the same as the janitor who learned his job in a month.

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It would not be thought about that way. In a communist society, people would be under the fundamental mentality that human life should be equal in all respects of the comforts of living. The mentality of "I did this, I thus deserve this" would be completely abolished.

 

Yeah, it's a bit Theocratic and leaves less room for being human, but it's just and fundamentally secure.

[OMGAKITTY]

And you've listed the very problem with communism right there: it leaves less room for being human. Human nature says "hey, me first, the world second". Which makes pulling of communism neigh impossible.

 

Also, why do I feel like we have two threads debating essentially the exact same thing?

[Static]

This thread is about morality, not about the actuality of Communism. Is there anything "wrong" with the philosophic, theoretical perfect communist state?

[OMGAKITTY]

Not at all. I think its a fine idea. Just...a little difficult to manifest.

[Santi :D]

My mistake, I did research, but there is a leader or czar.

 

It could be an individual or a group of people.

 

Facism is worse than Communism.

 

 

Also the only reason Communism will not work, is because the human mind is weak and under power, the person will corrupt, eventually.

 

Otherwise, its ideals are better than all other forms of government.

[Static]

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I didn't ask you morons whether communism would work or not. I asked why communism was wrong' date=' as in immoral. Not why it's impossible. Why it's wrong. Seriously, what is wrong with a fair, equal, productive, responsible, classless society? I don't understand.

 

People used to, and still do, call people 'communist' as an insult that denotes an immoral person. I'm having a hard time understanding how a person who shares and is responsible and productive is immoral.[/b']