BehindTheMask Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Everything eventually decays, withers into nothingness. Why should Life be any different? I've wondered that myself. I have learned, through the very forces of boredom and procrastination, that as we search for Universal Truths, Universal Constants warp every angle of our search. Indeed, it is when we ultimately take a step back from the jigsaw puzzle, do we realize that everything, "meaningful" and meaningless, serves no other purpose then to be forgotten, just another piece scattered across the coffee table. It is not to say that Universal Truth, or even Truth for that matter, is not important. Truth provides us with example of how to live, a reason to function. Truth cannot sustain the hungry, disenchanted masses. Rather, it is the realization upon discovering "truths" that we become warped. Nothing is absolute: Truth or Feelings. Time erodes everything, and memories that are forever kept in our heart can no longer provide the warmth we so desperately cling to. Truth, not to be exceptional, also becomes worn and disfigured. Truth will always evolve, always fork the road to bliss. Everything we learn to be "absolute" is indeed perception. We purposely blind ourselves in order to grudgingly move forward in our foolish quest to obtain these "Truths." Truth will always change no matter how desperate we hang on. Enlightenment, whether achievable or not, is not when you reach Universal Truths, Enlightenment is the removal of perception, the removal of everything. Life is just this moment, the moment you breathe in, the snapshot you breathe out in. Nothing More. To think otherwise is foolish. We perceive change, time, progress, everything. You may think that this is depressing, however, I politely disagree. We are told to live everyday like our last? But what about moments? How do we live those? Everything we know will be forgotten, changed by our hearts desire for deception, manipulated by the brain. Why not revel in the fact that 10000 years from now what you did changes nothing? Who cares what Joe Nobody will think about you? Even if you accomplish something, your footprints in the sand of time will only be swept away by the editors discretion. Your memory of that momentous occasion will be summarized, at best, into a paragraph in the overview of history. United Alone, you sit remembering "the good ol' days," about life both present and past. Now is not the time to remember, not at all. Now is the time to experience, another moment has already gone by, and you have spent it reading this, knowing that this note will ultimately change nothing. Sure it may change what you do for a bit, but lower it will sink, into the darkness of your heart, with the feelings of memories forgotten. Now, Philip K. Dick is right about time, but he's wrong that it's 50 A.D., Actually, there's only one instant, and it's right now. Life is less than the Sum of its Parts, and the only thing that matters is what you do in this everlasting moment. Props if you get the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 You are just another philosopher who thinks that every human being should think in the exact same way. Yet, you do underastand the fact that not everyone will truly follow this and learn from this excerpt. However, I shall speak for my own behalf on this. I actually disagree with this excerpt. Every idea, memory, theory, etc has a Universal Truth and we all (with rare exception) try to search for this universal truth, because we all (still with rare exception) wish to know the truth of how mankind was created, how the Universe became the world we know today, and what kind of power is governing the time we know as "This Moment." These curiosities are known as Human Nature, how we always strive to find answers to everyday problems. I only speak of what I believe, I do not speak on any behalf other than my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 You obviously missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Legacy Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 You obviously missed the point. I think you both have >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 This is the take home message here boys and girls: Now is not the time to remember, not at all. Now is the time to experience. Enjoy life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Legacy Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 This is the take home message here boys and girls: Now is not the time to remember' date=' not at all. Now is the time to experience. Enjoy life.[/quote'] You cannot enjoy life to the full, not when people take the fun out of it. For example, the people who run this world, they have f*cked up. they always make the wrong desicions and end up destroying the econmy. Also the people who are stealing, greedy, ignorant bas**rds use are money to make there own stupid 'Duck Island'. But you still can just enjoy life, with your family and friends, and even though you don't get it fully, you can still be a happy go lucky son of a gun. :D This, is the take home message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I know why you mentioned Phillip K. Dick. You're right though, the happiest we can be is when we realize that even the truth is something not worth clinging to. I feel that recently I have become a lot less spiritual, a lot less philosophical with all the college things, having to get this and that done for all of this other stuff, that I've been too caught up in life to actually enjoy it. This moment is right now, and it is eternity; it's whatever we choose to see it as. Nothing in it has any inherent value, but the value's we give to it still make all the difference. That is elementary, but it establishes the foundation for making your life worth living. And if that doesn't work, then whatever makes one happy is truly the best way to go. Faith is good for the people who are relieved by it. I secretly laugh at atheists for having such a Darwinian mindset; to think that they're right because objective reality makes the most sense in that respect. half of them are too busy accusing other religions that they get no happiness from realizing how empty our world actually is. To them, I say to live not through the eyes of this world nor the ego of their mind, but through the objective lens of the absence of both.This is the take home message here boys and girls: Now is not the time to remember' date=' not at all. Now is the time to experience. Enjoy life.[/quote'] You cannot enjoy life to the full, not when people take the fun out of it. For example, the people who run this world, they have f*cked up. they always make the wrong desicions and end up destroying the econmy. Also the people who are stealing, greedy, ignorant bas**rds use are money to make there own stupid 'Duck Island'. But you still can just enjoy life, with your family and friends, and even though you don't get it fully, you can still be a happy go lucky son of a gun. :D This, is the take home message. You can enjoy life in peace, you don't need anything other than a fundamental understanding of the fact that life is what it will be, and the ability to accept whatever comes your way without disappointment, anger, or grief. Knowing that you're not attached to the material world (or the ego for that matter) is being free and in peace, and being free will bring the greatest joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 ^: +1... Seriously. That was just awesome. Also, AIM if able? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Legacy Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 I know why you mentioned Phillip K. Dick. You're right though' date=' the happiest we can be is when we realize that even the truth is something not worth clinging to. I feel that recently I have become a lot less spiritual, a lot less philosophical with all the college things, having to get this and that done for all of this other stuff, that I've been too caught up in life to actually enjoy it. This moment is right now, and it is eternity; it's whatever we choose to see it as. Nothing in it has any inherent value, but the value's we give to it still make all the difference. That is elementary, but it establishes the foundation for making your life worth living. And if that doesn't work, then whatever makes one happy is truly the best way to go. Faith is good for the people who are relieved by it. I secretly laugh at atheists for having such a Darwinian mindset; to think that they're right because objective reality makes the most sense in that respect. half of them are too busy accusing other religions that they get no happiness from realizing how empty our world actually is. To them, I say to live not through the eyes of this world nor the ego of their mind, but through the objective lens of the absence of both.[hr']This is the take home message here boys and girls: Now is not the time to remember' date=' not at all. Now is the time to experience. Enjoy life.[/quote'] You cannot enjoy life to the full, not when people take the fun out of it. For example, the people who run this world, they have f*cked up. they always make the wrong desicions and end up destroying the econmy. Also the people who are stealing, greedy, ignorant bas**rds use are money to make there own stupid 'Duck Island'. But you still can just enjoy life, with your family and friends, and even though you don't get it fully, you can still be a happy go lucky son of a gun. :D This, is the take home message. You can enjoy life in peace, you don't need anything other than a fundamental understanding of the fact that life is what it will be, and the ability to accept whatever comes your way without disappointment, anger, or grief. Knowing that you're not attached to the material world (or the ego for that matter) is being free and in peace, and being free will bring the greatest joy. Very True. Im not saying that life isn't joyful, it f*cking is. But we won't be able to enjoy life without those emotions like anger and hate, because they are human nature, and they are what make us man. So, we have to be angry at those people who have f*cked the econmy to enjoy life knowing we have someone to take are anger out on. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kale Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Often, i have thought of this very point. Though i could not put it as eloquent as you have, you have proven once more something that i have been telling myself for the last few months. What will sitting around and doing nothing achieve? You will certainly become depressed, probably cry yourself to sleep at night, and wish that you knew the secret to everything as i did for so long. What i have learned from my length of depression is that in the end you can make a difference. Look at those who we remember. Churchill, Voltaire, Darwin, Alexander the Great, hell, even Hitler. What about them makes them be remembered for so long? They were those who didnt sit around all depressed thinking about how they couldnt become big. And thus, they took a stand and did something great, marking the history books. I think, therefore i am and with that quote it proves that if you think you are worthless you most likely are. My overall point is that if you waste your time dreading the end, thinking that you didnt make a difference then you truly wont. You want to be remembered? You get up and make something of yourself. Just do it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Often' date=' i have thought of this very point. Though i could not put it as eloquent as you have, you have proven once more something that i have been telling myself for the last few months. What will sitting around and doing nothing achieve? You will certainly become depressed, probably cry yourself to sleep at night, and wish that you knew the secret to everything as i did for so long. What i have learned from my length of depression is that in the end you can make a difference. Look at those who we remember. Churchill, Voltaire, Darwin, Alexander the Great, hell, even Hitler. What about them makes them be remembered for so long? They were those who didnt sit around all depressed thinking about how they couldnt become big. And thus, they took a stand and did something great, marking the history books. [i']I think, therefore i am[/i] and with that quote it proves that if you think you are worthless you most likely are. My overall point is that if you waste your time dreading the end, thinking that you didnt make a difference then you truly wont. You want to be remembered? You get up and make something of yourself. Just do it.. The greater point has been overlooked. All fades as the universe continues to change. Bit by bit, human history is fading into oblivion. A child dies of malaria every thirty seconds, and you wonder how long the people who remember that they once existed will live and keep the memory of the now deceased children alive. I wonder how long it will be until Christ and the Buddha will be forgotten, as I suspect that the human race cannot continue to exist indefinitely. However, you are right. We shouldn't waste our time, but we shouldn't necessarily make ourselves a person to be remembered on such a large scale, as that is not what matters in life. What matters in life is how much we enjoyed each moment, this moment. In relationship (Comradory or personal partnership) and communication between people, if you find happiness through your relations to other people, in the end what really matters is how much you care about them, not how much they care about you. @TC: Don't ever forget the underlined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 This is the take home message here boys and girls: Now is not the time to remember' date=' not at all. Now is the time to experience. Enjoy life.[/quote'] You obviously missed my point then. I restate what I said. "You are just another philosopher who thinks that everyone should think the exact same way." Since you did not understand that the first time, I might as well enlighten the arrogance within you. You are just being like Aristotle, Shakespear, and Jesus Christ. Famous historical philosophers, (yes, Shakespear was some what of a philosopher) but every single one of them wanted every human being to act, think, and be the same way. I don't care what your point was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kale Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Often' date=' i have thought of this very point. Though i could not put it as eloquent as you have, you have proven once more something that i have been telling myself for the last few months. What will sitting around and doing nothing achieve? You will certainly become depressed, probably cry yourself to sleep at night, and wish that you knew the secret to everything as i did for so long. What i have learned from my length of depression is that in the end you can make a difference. Look at those who we remember. Churchill, Voltaire, Darwin, Alexander the Great, hell, even Hitler. What about them makes them be remembered for so long? They were those who didnt sit around all depressed thinking about how they couldnt become big. And thus, they took a stand and did something great, marking the history books. [i']I think, therefore i am[/i] and with that quote it proves that if you think you are worthless you most likely are. My overall point is that if you waste your time dreading the end, thinking that you didnt make a difference then you truly wont. You want to be remembered? You get up and make something of yourself. Just do it.. The greater point has been overlooked. All fades as the universe continues to change. Bit by bit, human history is fading into oblivion. A child dies of malaria every thirty seconds, and you wonder how long the people who remember that they once existed will live and keep the memory of the now deceased children alive. I wonder how long it will be until Christ and the Buddha will be forgotten, as I suspect that the human race cannot continue to exist indefinitely. However, you are right. We shouldn't waste our time, but we shouldn't necessarily make ourselves a person to be remembered on such a large scale, as that is not what matters in life. What matters in life is how much we enjoyed each moment, this moment. In relationship (Comradory or personal partnership) and communication between people, if you find happiness through your relations to other people, in the end what really matters is how much you care about them, not how much they care about you. @TC: Don't ever forget the underlined. How very true. Whereas my post was in a direct rant against the original post i would like to add the underlined idea into my original response. in the end it only matters how you enjoyed life. ;) i like that idea.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxdmilleo Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 lol i have a trampolene its fun.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 this kind of philosophy is stupid it serves no purpose and is soo funking diffucult to read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 lol i have a trampolene its fun.... They are fun, I think I might go on mine right now actually. :) (this is relevant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 tl;dr but im pretty sure it was a cool story, bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Why couldn't you have saved time and just have written, "Life is good so don't waste it". It means the same thing and it doesn't give you arthritis trying to write it. It's not that I can't write for a really long time I just see no reason to do it. Now if you get me talking about Pokemon I'll make a f'kin essay about it. Anyway, props for putting so much effort into, sorry for being too lazy to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Phoenix Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Interesting. However, it raises a few questions: So, we're supposed to live life for the moment, and not worry about discovering truths and progressing forward because what we do will be forgotten eventually? Yet, if we're living for this moment, why would we care if it's forgotten in the future? If this will eventually be forgotten, what was the point of posting it? If you could be enjoying life instead of discovering this particular truth, why would you discover it? Unless you posted it as part of living for the moment. Considering everything we do, whether intended to be a legacy or not, will be forgotten, wouldn't everything be just for the moment? Thus, seeking these truths is not a foolish endeavor, as it is still living for the moment. Each step of seeking them is living for that moment, and discovering them is a moment in itself. This brings me to my next question: it would seem this theory wants us to stop seeking truths and just enjoy the moment. But why does it matter whether we're seeking truths or playing golf? Either way, we live for that moment. And, if the goal is to enjoy that moment, perhaps we enjoy seeking these truths? Perhaps some enjoy constant satisfaction ("for fun" activities that provide instant gratification throughout) while others enjoy burst satisfaction (activities that seemingly provide no gratification, followed by an accomplishment that uses one moment for an immense burst of gratification). Considering that the person partial to burst satisfaction would enjoy even the moments that weren't filled with instant gratification (thus, obtaining the same level of gratification as those who prefer constant satisfaction) in addition to their immense burst, wouldn't those who seek truths get more gratification out of the way they spend their moments than those who have fun without worrying about accomplishing something big. If I'm interpreting your theory right, all this should be correct if we assume your theory is correct. However, in your theory, it seems to preach constant satisfaction and warn against burst satisfaction. So, assuming your theory wants us to gain the maximum amount of gratification we can from our moments, wouldn't it be counterproductive to advocate constant satisfaction over burst satisfaction? I have one more line of thinking for your consideration. If we can procure enjoyment in our moments from constant or burst satisfaction, wouldn't it be impossible to not live for the moment? I suppose the only way to not live for the moment, would be to follow the opposite form of satisfaction than the one you as an individual prefer. In other words, according to the deeper meanings of this theory, wouldn't the key to happiness be "be yourself" ? I would like to go on, but I believe I need to take a break from thinking too deeply on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Interesting. However' date=' it raises a few questions: So, we're supposed to live life for the moment, and not worry about discovering truths and progressing forward because what we do will be forgotten eventually? Yet, if we're living for this moment, why would we care if it's forgotten in the future? If this will eventually be forgotten, what was the point of posting it? If you could be enjoying life instead of discovering this particular truth, why would you discover it? Unless you posted it as part of living for the moment. Considering everything we do, whether intended to be a legacy or not, will be forgotten, wouldn't everything be just for the moment? Thus, seeking these truths is not a foolish endeavor, as it is still living for the moment. Each step of seeking them is living for that moment, and discovering them is a moment in itself. This brings me to my next question: it would seem this theory wants us to stop seeking truths and just enjoy the moment. But why does it matter whether we're seeking truths or playing golf? Either way, we live for that moment. And, if the goal is to enjoy that moment, perhaps we enjoy seeking these truths? Perhaps some enjoy constant satisfaction ("for fun" activities that provide instant gratification throughout) while others enjoy burst satisfaction (activities that seemingly provide no gratification, followed by an accomplishment that uses one moment for an immense burst of gratification). Considering that the person partial to burst satisfaction would enjoy even the moments that weren't filled with instant gratification (thus, obtaining the same level of gratification as those who prefer constant satisfaction) in addition to their immense burst, wouldn't those who seek truths get more gratification out of the way they spend their moments than those who have fun without worrying about accomplishing something big. If I'm interpreting your theory right, all this should be correct if we assume your theory is correct. However, in your theory, it seems to preach constant satisfaction and warn against burst satisfaction. So, assuming your theory wants us to gain the maximum amount of gratification we can from our moments, wouldn't it be counterproductive to advocate constant satisfaction over burst satisfaction? I have one more line of thinking for your consideration. If we can procure enjoyment in our moments from constant or burst satisfaction, wouldn't it be impossible to not live for the moment? I suppose the only way to not live for the moment, would be to follow the opposite form of satisfaction than the one you as an individual prefer. In other words, according to the deeper meanings of this theory, wouldn't the key to happiness be "be yourself" ? I would like to go on, but I believe I need to take a break from thinking too deeply on this matter.[/quote'] You speak of happiness as if it comes from satisfaction. This is not the happiness implied by the thread; I would know, I have talked hours on end on this issue with the TC. For satisfaction to come in bursts, there must be dissatisfaction to make one want the satisfaction that makes up for the satisfaction. Going a week without coke having done it once each day for the past seven days will make the snorting of coke a week later much more satisfying than the snorting of coke without having taken the week break. The dissatisfaction of being sober for a week combined with the fact that the coke tolerance will wear down over that week will make the coke after a week break give you a much more uplifted feeling. I am not talking from personal experience, but regardless, you should get the point. This "happiness" that BTM speaks of is the happiness that comes from not seeking satisfaction. To seek satisfaction, to desire, one must be displeased with something in the first place. It comes from the lack of discontentment, from the lack of a reason to be displeased. He specifically talks about "the truth;" he is not saying "don't seek the truth, you're wasting your time," but rather, "don't be disappointed if the truth isn't as true as you once thought it to be because life is ever changing [and your unconditional contentment, your acceptance of fate, should not]." Don't be disappointed if you know not the truth, just be absolutely pleased with what is at all times, or as often as you can (detached from the shackles of reality if you will), and you'll live your life a much happier person. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted June 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Interesting...this matter.You speak of happiness as if it comes from satisfaction. This is not the happiness implied by the thread; I would know' date=' I have talked hours on end on this issue with the TC. For satisfaction to come in bursts, there must be dissatisfaction to make one want the satisfaction that makes up for the satisfaction. Going a week without coke having done it once each day for the past seven days will make the snorting of coke a week later much more satisfying than the snorting of coke without having taken the week break. The dissatisfaction of being sober for a week combined with the fact that the coke tolerance will wear down over that week will make the coke after a week break give you a much more uplifted feeling. I am not talking from personal experience, but regardless, you should get the point. This "happiness" that BTM speaks of is the happiness that comes from not seeking satisfaction. To seek satisfaction, to desire, one must be displeased with something in the first place. It comes from the lack of discontentment, from the lack of a reason to be displeased. He specifically talks about "the truth;" he is not saying "don't seek the truth, you're wasting your time," but rather, "don't be disappointed if the truth isn't as true as you once thought it to be because life is ever changing [and your unconditional contentment, your acceptance of fate, should not']." Don't be disappointed if you know not the truth, just be absolutely pleased with what is at all times, or as often as you can (detached from the shackles of reality if you will), and you'll live your life a much happier person. :) Thank you for answering. I hope it helps. (Quote shortened to help with length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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