WTF is up with all the bans!?

[Infinitus]

Anyway' date=' I guess things just happen. [b']I'm sure if someone has been banned unjustly, he will have his day in YCM court.[/b] Unless of course the mod pool is tainted, which is impossible. The mods are good people.

Past events have already proved this wrong, bro.

 

Oh. Then we need to be more careful. We've had it too easy for too long. I think it's time that we acted the way we should. Despite the fact that this is the internet. Wether it be in real life or the internet, it's time to be more respectful. I see people all around the Pop Culture going

FAIL

EPIC FAIL

this is a disgrace

etc.

If it wasn't for the fact I'd be mini-modding, I'd tell them off.

[NeoDemonX]

LOL I saw it all and it was fun

 

ok it was interesting to see

[The kid with the face]

Title.

 

People who have done nothing wrong' date=' like Max C. and Dark (dunno if he's unbanned yet), are banned, yet people who spam the f*** out of this place are still here *glares at ZenQued*.

 

I have a suspicion of the culprit *glares at Icy*, but I have no proof.

 

But Icy, Frunk, whoever banned these people, give a reason please, it's getting annoying, you don't kno what is safe to do without getting banned. [b']And Icy, I'm guessing it has something to do with your "Post after me and your banned" posts, but please explain nonetheless.[/b]

 

Icy puts those posts in topics which he does not have the power to actually lock himself. However his authority is still applicable, which is where the concept of a "spiritual lock" comes into play.

 

Furthermore, I think it's quite obvious that posting after a post that includes anything along the lines of "post after me and you're banned" will result in a ban. Making a post afterward with the sole intention of taunting Icy with a "haha, you can't lock this and I can keep posting!" is a shining example of being an ass, and is deserving of any consequences that might result.

 

At least that's my take on this matter. I don't claim to know Icy's thoughts or be 100% sure of the rhyme and reason of his actions.

 

Just because he is a Mod of ONE section, doesn't mean he holds the Power of ANOTHER section, so that would be abuse on his side T_T

[~Shore]

 

what where static's avis?

 

One showed boobs' date=' one showed a butt, one showed the fingah, then one showed an avi that said "YCM Go suck a dick"

 

 

 

 

That's all I saw.

[/quote']

 

I'm gone for 2 freaking days and I miss all the fun. :/

 

lol, I only read about the fingah and the suck a dick avis, so I missed 50% of the fun. I feel your painz.

 

I do remember him changing his avi's every 15 minutes tho.

 

Static is a chick

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Icy has as much of a right to "spiritual lock" something as I do, and when bans are established as a result of what he has no right to do, it's bad stuff.

 

 

From Pikapedia: The Banhammer' date=' a legendary hammer, is a weapon used by moderators to destroy noobs. The effects are powerful, including a 50% splash attack and a 10% chance to get permanatly banned. Banhammers are not used until absolutely necessary.[/quote']

 

They're not noobs, they're people the "wielders" want you to think of as noobs. You of course have no say in the matter as you'll be the next "noob" in line if you anger them. Seriously, what do you do if a mod's taken a specific disliking to you. The way the rules and punishments are setup (in addition to punishments that aren't setup), they don't like you, they can root through your posts, dig up dirt on you, get you gone, end of story.

 

There's never no dirt to be had on a specific active member. The rules and punishments are far too loosely defined for it to be possible NOT to be warned for specific posts.

 

Let's play a little game. Find me a post in this thread that can't be made into a rule-breaking post. Go on. Let's round us up some "noobs" and ban 'em.

 

Who moderates the moderators? YCMaker sure doesn't, all he does is lurking and tech support. He was never one for great judgments.

 

That leaves nobody. Hell, skip the rules. If a mod doesn't like you, they can just ban you with no fear of consequences. They're not quite that bad, granted. But yeah. Something to think about.

[OMGAKITTY]

Icy has as much of a right to "spiritual lock" something as I do' date=' and when bans are established as a result of what he has no right to do, it's bad stuff.

 

 

From Pikapedia: The Banhammer, a legendary hammer, is a weapon used by moderators to destroy noobs. The effects are powerful, including a 50% splash attack and a 10% chance to get permanatly banned. Banhammers are not used until absolutely necessary.

 

They're not noobs, they're people the "wielders" want you to think of as noobs. You of course have no say in the matter as you'll be the next "noob" in line if you anger them. Seriously, what do you do if a mod's taken a specific disliking to you. The way the rules and punishments are setup (in addition to punishments that aren't setup), they don't like you, they can root through your posts, dig up dirt on you, get you gone, end of story.

 

There's never no dirt to be had on a specific active member. The rules and punishments are far too loosely defined for it to be possible NOT to be warned for specific posts.

 

Let's play a little game. Find me a post in this thread that can't be made into a rule-breaking post. Go on. Let's round us up some "noobs" and ban 'em.

 

Who moderates the moderators? YCMaker sure doesn't, all he does is lurking and tech support. He was never one for great judgments.

 

That leaves nobody. Hell, skip the rules. If a mod doesn't like you, they can just ban you with no fear of consequences. They're not quite that bad, granted. But yeah. Something to think about.

 

If mods go insane with power, we'll make threads complaining about it! Yeah! That'll show them!

[Guest JoshIcy]

Icy has as much of a right to "spiritual lock" something as I do' date=' and when bans are established as a result of what he has no right to do, it's bad stuff.

[/quote']

 

By that right, people can spam the living hell out of General with no consequences, that in turn cascades into my section which is something I will not stand for. And unlike you, I have the ability to enforce it in some fashion.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Icy has as much of a right to "spiritual lock" something as I do' date=' and when bans are established as a result of what he has no right to do, it's bad stuff.

 

 

From Pikapedia: The Banhammer, a legendary hammer, is a weapon used by moderators to destroy noobs. The effects are powerful, including a 50% splash attack and a 10% chance to get permanatly banned. Banhammers are not used until absolutely necessary.

 

They're not noobs, they're people the "wielders" want you to think of as noobs. You of course have no say in the matter as you'll be the next "noob" in line if you anger them. Seriously, what do you do if a mod's taken a specific disliking to you. The way the rules and punishments are setup (in addition to punishments that aren't setup), they don't like you, they can root through your posts, dig up dirt on you, get you gone, end of story.

 

There's never no dirt to be had on a specific active member. The rules and punishments are far too loosely defined for it to be possible NOT to be warned for specific posts.

 

Let's play a little game. Find me a post in this thread that can't be made into a rule-breaking post. Go on. Let's round us up some "noobs" and ban 'em.

 

Who moderates the moderators? YCMaker sure doesn't, all he does is lurking and tech support. He was never one for great judgments.

 

That leaves nobody. Hell, skip the rules. If a mod doesn't like you, they can just ban you with no fear of consequences. They're not quite that bad, granted. But yeah. Something to think about.

 

If mods go insane with power, we'll make threads complaining about it! Yeah! That'll show them!

 

Obviously, nobody who can do anything about it will. There is but a blind hope for most of us here. The fact that YCM's already doomed to an increasing decline of quality remains unchanged. We'll continue to decay. We'll continue to get worse. So-called trolls'll keep posting unfunny image macros. So-called "KEEPERS OF ORDER AND JUSTICE" will continue chopping trees. Their falls will not be heard. The forest is too large. The "KEEPERS OF ORDER AND JUSTICE" too powerful. This mock society's already failed.

 

Now we just examine the results of that failure.

 

Icy has as much of a right to "spiritual lock" something as I do' date=' and when bans are established as a result of what he has no right to do, it's bad stuff.[/quote']

 

By that right, people can spam the living hell out of General with no consequences, that in turn cascades into my section which is something I will not stand for. And unlike you, I have the ability to enforce it in some fashion.

 

Icy. It's too late. The rules don't identify good posts from bad, they simply provide an arsenal of loose terms for Moderators like yourself to punish specific users. Moderators who truly have good intentions are left stabbing in the dark.

 

If YCMers were somehow automatically subjected to Frunk's Holy Doctrine of Loose Terms, we'd have no active members.

 

Spam is what you want it to be. Any post can violate the rules. Pick them out. Punish accordingly. Moderators can't protect YCM because what makes posts bad for the community and worthy of punishment, and how harsh those punishments be are all blurred together.

 

Icy, what are you trying to accomplish in an experimental society that's already fallen to its demise? What does it mean to you to be a good YCM moderator? "Cut down bad posts"? It's impossible in the way in which crimes and punishments are allowed here.

[Guest JoshIcy]

With attitudes like that, attacking it. It will. Spam is defined, on a case-by-case event, but it is almost always done in a justifiable manner. As I have mentioned earlier, when I do such a thing I allow a degree of leeway to account for most of the mishaps that may occur. But it is naturally inevitable to do it, without actually locking. Thus, I use the tools I am given to the best of my abilities. You cannot deny that.

 

Just because things aren't done with your ideals, doesn't mean it's bad.

And all moderators on the Mod Team, are very social with one another (barring Crab and JoC). If it was seen as a problem, the mod of the section would contact another to have it resolved. But, when the moderator of a section is absent such communication is nearly impossible. I am not stepping out of my jurisdiction... Not yet.

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

Perhaps appointing someone more reliable than said General Moderator would take the pressure of those who actually take the time out to do their jobs, like Icyblue here.

 

Those bans were given in an orderly fashion, after a warning.

 

Those who were ignorant enough to step beyond that boundary were punished justly. Because your ideals of the perfect community involve 'fair bans' based on the community's view, and not the rules placed here for order, they are flawed and meaningless.

 

Spam is defined as "stupid, pointless, annoying messages". From my understanding, and reading the entire topic of discussed bans, it was absolutely necessary. And no, any post cannot violate the rules, because if that was the case, you would be correct: there would be no active members, including moderators and administrators.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

With attitudes like that' date=' attacking it. It will. Spam is defined, on a case-by-case event, but it is almost always done in a justifiable manner. [/quote']

 

Even if it isn't in a "justifiable manner", and we have no real way of judging whether it is or not as we don't see all warnings, there'd still be no toll for the prosecutor. Moderators have nothing to fear.

 

We still can't solidly define good posts from bad. Leeway allows for Moderators to do whatever they want. They get to be creative. They get to be personal. A moderator with questionable intentions would have no trouble converting those intentions into damage.

 

Nobody moderates Moderators. Those who mean badly can do what they want, those who don't

can only stab in the dark. The number of posts is far too vast for them to be subjected to the rules they violate.

 

As I have mentioned earlier' date=' when I do such a thing I allow a degree of leeway to account for most of the mishaps that may occur. But it is naturally inevitable to do it, without actually locking. Thus, I use the tools I am given to the best of my abilities. You cannot deny that.

 

Just because things aren't done with your ideals, doesn't mean it's bad.

And all moderators on the Mod Team, are very social with one another (barring Crab and JoC). If it was seen as a problem, the mod of the section would contact another to have it resolved. But, when the moderator of a section is absent such communication is nearly impossible. I am not stepping out of my jurisdiction... Not yet.

[/quote']

 

Mods being social with eachother and putting pressure on other Mods when they're in the wrong are two very different things. YCM's grown too large for the Moderation System to protect it. Only the Moderator who acts has a say in whether what they're doing is right or wrong. The Members often don't know what's going on, and if they do, they can't do anything about it. The Moderator's collegues can't punish them. The Super Mods aren't even active. YCMaker hardly cares about the state of the board at all. As long as it's active and has good Tech Support, he really isn't going to stretch too far.

 

The rules are at fault too here. The border between "what could be punished" and "what is punished" is slim to nonexistent.

 

You were never assigned to "jurisdict" here in General in the first place, but as long as nobody's Moderating YOU, it doesn't matter. You can do so anyway. You and every other Mod can do whatever they want. Anything said against you will be covered up or will fall on ears of the powerless. We're just to assume that everything Moderators do is just and done in good judgment. And if they aren't we're powerless.

 

That's just the surface though. The regulars are just as bad, blurring what's right and wrong, giving Moderators a hard time, so that the ones with good intent, if they exist, don't really have the power to fix anything.

 

tl;dr

 

Moderators with bad intentions do what they want, nobody can object.

Moderators with good intentions are left overwhelmed and confused as to what they're supposed to penalize.

Regulars are either adding to the problem or can't fix anything. A similar case to the moderators.

[Guest JoshIcy]

If you do firmly believe that. Please, oh please.

PM me a list of people you would suggest to act as those Moderators who moderate Mods.

 

And lets see what happens.

Both our opinions are going to be null and void until YCMaker chooses to do something.

And my reasons are all in good intent, not power hungry or anything. Otherwise, I would have constantly moderated that thread in question, banning everyone.

[Willieh]

I'm gonna go ahead and throw it out there.

 

I don't think that the current moderators are as deep or complicated to understand as everyone gives them credit for. Nor do I think they have diabolical schemes to take specific members down.

 

That being said, anyone who gets banned was probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

If you do firmly believe that. Please' date=' oh please.

PM me a list of people you would suggest to act as those Moderators who moderate Mods.

[/quote']

 

I wasn't suggesting that we actually have "people to Moderate Mods", and the Administrator isn't anywhere near as active as he'd need to be for such an experiment to be conducted as there'd be little we could do should they go rogue and smash the place. Or they'd just take on the role of Super Mod and have the same issues facing them as the rest of the Mods.

 

 

I'm gonna go ahead and throw it out there.

 

I don't think that the current moderators are as deep or complicated to understand as everyone gives them credit for. Nor do I think they have diabolical schemes to take specific members down.

 

That being said' date=' anyone who gets banned was probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[/quote']

 

I agree. In a nutshell, the system by which YCM is supposed to be protected has failed to do so, which is bad.

 

Those with ill-intent walk free. Those who're in the wrong place at the wrong time are banned. We live with that fear, bans happen, fingers are pointed to members who should be banned, they gain the support of their cliques and the vicious cycle keeps on turning.

 

The mods don't need to be malicious, if they are it adds to the whole pandemonium, which is already out of control. All mods can do is tab in the dark, those being stabbed simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Not to say they weren't in the wrong, but that there're too many cunning villains to stab.

[Guest JoshIcy]

What out of control"ness"? General was fine, when I joined. Even without Frunk or TSL modding the place. It was a kind environment, granted more newbs (as it were) but it's better than having a bunch of wannabe trolls and morons who bait people like you, just to get their socks wet. The mod system and the site is far from pandemonium. You just don't like where it's gone, so you wait it out. Not unlike Neo-Hippies.

 

Ooh, and the next thing I see you post better be something optimistic and not attacking anyone in any way. Or you WILL be banned for blatant flaming, and baiting of a negative discussion. That is not a threat, not a moderator abusing his power, it's a promise and a request that you stop the charade.

[Sid.]

Your banned because you posted on a thread without noticing Icy's "Dont post after me or recieve ban"?

Oh well, live your life, brush it off as it were dust.

 

Who cares if you got banned for a day?

You really wouldnt lose anything, you'd actually gain confidence by seeing how people actually miss you.

 

My two double sentences/paragraphs.

[Guest]

Seems like the question has been answered several times.

 

Please know, my PM Inbox is always open, and never can be full (I keep it pretty clean just in case there is some kind of upward limit). If you have any kind of complaint whatsoever, whether it be that someone who should be banned isn't or someone who is banned shouldn't be, whether it be that you have a rep complaint or someone is bothering you via PMs, whether it be that you just need an OCG check or someone to talk to; please remember that you can always PM me. I may not be on for hours and hours everyday, but when I am online I will read your PM and do my best to complete your request or answer your question or respond to your comments. Please give me a chance to answer your question before posting unneeded and spammy complaint threads like this.

 

~Locked~