THE MATRIX HAS YOU

[OMGAKITTY]

Not in movies because.....well, you'll see in a sec.

 

Y'all remember that movie, The Matrix? And how "reality" was actually pretty much VR as giant robots fed off of your brainz in a pod?

 

....What's so bad about that, exactly? Matrix isn't a perfect example, because "real life" is kind of crappy, but Matrix is a more widely known example than...

 

Example 2:

 

Pendragon: The Reality Bug

 

Same type of deal with LifeLite, only LifeLite was "enhanced reality", where everything always goes your way. In the book, this was a bad thing. I want to know why.

[CrabHelmet]

I haven't read the Pendragon series, but it sounds like a Twilight Zone where this crook dies and is brought to heaven, where he always wins in the casino and the ladies love him. However, he quickly grows bored of heaven because everything goes his way there, and says he wants to be taken to hell just for a change of pace. Naturally, he's already in hell.

 

The real answer is probably more closely related to Brave New World: the existence is pleasurable, but it is a hollow, meaningless existence in which nothing of significance occurs.

[PrometheusMFD]

Not in movies because.....well' date=' you'll see in a sec.

 

Y'all remember that movie, [i']The Matrix[/i]? And how "reality" was actually pretty much VR as giant robots fed off of your brainz in a pod?

 

....What's so bad about that, exactly? Matrix isn't a perfect example, because "real life" is kind of crappy, but Matrix is a more widely known example than...

 

Example 2:

 

Pendragon: The Reality Bug

 

Same type of deal with LifeLite, only LifeLite was "enhanced reality", where everything always goes your way. In the book, this was a bad thing. I want to know why.

 

You have no growth as a person when everything is handed to you

Having the world go your way is fine, but then when anything of the inverse happens, not only do people not no how to handle it, they regress and lash out at others.

[OMGAKITTY]

Hey, I've heard of the Twilight Zone episode.

 

That's a good answer, however. But what of the people who like their meaningless, empty, but pleasurable existence? What gives Neo/Pendragon the right to try to take that away, and "free" them?

[CrabHelmet]

Hey' date=' I've heard of the Twilight Zone episode.

 

That's a good answer, however. But what of the people who [i']like[/i] their meaningless, empty, but pleasurable existence? What gives Neo/Pendragon the right to try to take that away, and "free" them?

 

I think the third movie makes it clear that the compromise is that people can leave the Matrix if and only if they choose to do so. Of course, we all know there was no third movie. >_> I don't know the details of the Pendragon setup, so I can't comment on that.

[OMGAKITTY]

Hey' date=' I've heard of the Twilight Zone episode.

 

That's a good answer, however. But what of the people who [i']like[/i] their meaningless, empty, but pleasurable existence? What gives Neo/Pendragon the right to try to take that away, and "free" them?

 

I think the third movie makes it clear that the compromise is that people can leave the Matrix if and only if they choose to do so. Of course, we all know there was no third movie. >_> I don't know the details of the Pendragon setup, so I can't comment on that.

 

Ah. Never watched the other two.

Brief setup on Pendragon:

LifeLite is super awesome and everyone wants to be using it all the time. The rest of the world has fallen to decay and the giant LifeLite pyramids are the only pristine and fully functioning buildings left. Pendragon comes and has to find a way to shut down LifeLite before the entire world crumbles into dust.

 

More or less. The important part is to note that all of the people willingly abandoned reality for LifeLite, and choose to stay there.

[CrabHelmet]

Hey' date=' I've heard of the Twilight Zone episode.

 

That's a good answer, however. But what of the people who [i']like[/i] their meaningless, empty, but pleasurable existence? What gives Neo/Pendragon the right to try to take that away, and "free" them?

 

I think the third movie makes it clear that the compromise is that people can leave the Matrix if and only if they choose to do so. Of course, we all know there was no third movie. >_> I don't know the details of the Pendragon setup, so I can't comment on that.

 

Ah. Never watched the other two.

Brief setup on Pendragon:

LifeLite is super awesome and everyone wants to be using it all the time. The rest of the world has fallen to decay and the giant LifeLite pyramids are the only pristine and fully functioning buildings left. Pendragon comes and has to find a way to shut down LifeLite before the entire world crumbles into dust.

 

More or less. The important part is to note that all of the people willingly abandoned reality for LifeLite, and choose to stay there.

 

I think something similar happened in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. But I think Wesley saved the day there, so I'm going to pretend that episode never happened. Because it's Wesley.

 

Is that all there was to the LifeLite story? Was LifeLite created by aliens to destroy them or would the fall of their civilization bring down the multiverse or anything like that?

[Docomodake]

The matrix has absolutely none of me, good sir.

 

Virtual reality would be awesome. Maybe there my neck wouldn't hurt so much. >>;;

[Sid.]

I heard Pendragon was a good book. Maybe i should read it.

 

OT, if you had life always going off of what you want and who you desire, then its not life anymore. Life, imo, is not someone's silly imagination, its full of wonders, yet there will always be a boundry, and likewise a punishment. There has too be bad things in life too balance it out, and in the end, everything should play well. If you have an upset in this "balance", as in too much good/bad stuff, then the ending will obviously change. You could die hating everyone and everything around you, or you could die knowing the true ideals in life, and understanding why so many people die. 2 cents?

[OMGAKITTY]

Hey' date=' I've heard of the Twilight Zone episode.

 

That's a good answer, however. But what of the people who [i']like[/i] their meaningless, empty, but pleasurable existence? What gives Neo/Pendragon the right to try to take that away, and "free" them?

 

I think the third movie makes it clear that the compromise is that people can leave the Matrix if and only if they choose to do so. Of course, we all know there was no third movie. >_> I don't know the details of the Pendragon setup, so I can't comment on that.

 

Ah. Never watched the other two.

Brief setup on Pendragon:

LifeLite is super awesome and everyone wants to be using it all the time. The rest of the world has fallen to decay and the giant LifeLite pyramids are the only pristine and fully functioning buildings left. Pendragon comes and has to find a way to shut down LifeLite before the entire world crumbles into dust.

 

More or less. The important part is to note that all of the people willingly abandoned reality for LifeLite, and choose to stay there.

 

I think something similar happened in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. But I think Wesley saved the day there, so I'm going to pretend that episode never happened. Because it's Wesley.

 

Is that all there was to the LifeLite story? Was LifeLite created by aliens to destroy them or would the fall of their civilization bring down the multiverse or anything like that?

 

LifeLite is actually on a different planet/time period/dimension/whatever known as Veelox. It was created/inspired by Saint Dane, the antagonist of the series, who wants to bring all of existence into chaos, and along the way, prove that man is inherently selfish and evil.

 

So, actually, yes, the fall of their civilization would (start) the fall of the multiverse.

[CrabHelmet]

Hey' date=' I've heard of the Twilight Zone episode.

 

That's a good answer, however. But what of the people who [i']like[/i] their meaningless, empty, but pleasurable existence? What gives Neo/Pendragon the right to try to take that away, and "free" them?

 

I think the third movie makes it clear that the compromise is that people can leave the Matrix if and only if they choose to do so. Of course, we all know there was no third movie. >_> I don't know the details of the Pendragon setup, so I can't comment on that.

 

Ah. Never watched the other two.

Brief setup on Pendragon:

LifeLite is super awesome and everyone wants to be using it all the time. The rest of the world has fallen to decay and the giant LifeLite pyramids are the only pristine and fully functioning buildings left. Pendragon comes and has to find a way to shut down LifeLite before the entire world crumbles into dust.

 

More or less. The important part is to note that all of the people willingly abandoned reality for LifeLite, and choose to stay there.

 

I think something similar happened in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. But I think Wesley saved the day there, so I'm going to pretend that episode never happened. Because it's Wesley.

 

Is that all there was to the LifeLite story? Was LifeLite created by aliens to destroy them or would the fall of their civilization bring down the multiverse or anything like that?

 

LifeLite is actually on a different planet/time period/dimension/whatever known as Veelox. It was created/inspired by Saint Dane, the antagonist of the series, who wants to bring all of existence into chaos, and along the way, prove that man is inherently selfish and evil.

 

So, actually, yes, the fall of their civilization would (start) the fall of the multiverse.

 

Ah, then it's based on the Cold War philosophy of containment theory to prevent a domino effect. That answers that question, then.

[Azmodius]

Becaus man is inherently selvish and evil.

[Felix Culpa]

You waste your life in Lifelite. Did you not read it? There society fell to ruin because no one ever did anything. Lifelite was their escape from reality.

[OMGAKITTY]

You waste your life in Lifelite. Did you not read it? There society fell to ruin because no one ever did anything. Lifelite was their escape from reality.

 

So what? In my own little personal LifeLite bubble, everything is perfect. The system eventually fails and I die. So what? Everyone dies eventually, but my time was spent in a perfect world.

[Infinitus]

If you've woken up, when you've experianced half your life:

1. You don't know how this world works

2. Everything you've learned, everything you've done, is a lie

3. You don't grow mentally without controversy and struggles.

4. You end up pampered, so when you get to the real world, your a brat.

 

Life sucking is a good thing.

[OMGAKITTY]

If you've woken up' date=' when you've experianced half your life:

1. You don't know how this world works

2. Everything you've learned, everything you've done, is a lie

3. You don't grow mentally without controversy and struggles.

4. You end up pampered, so when you get to the real world, your a brat.

 

Life sucking is a good thing.

[/quote']

 

But why do I need to "wake up" in the first place?

[Infinitus]

If you've woken up' date=' when you've experianced half your life:

1. You don't know how this world works

2. Everything you've learned, everything you've done, is a lie

3. You don't grow mentally without controversy and struggles.

4. You end up pampered, so when you get to the real world, your a brat.

 

Life sucking is a good thing.

[/quote']

 

But why do I need to "wake up" in the first place?

 

In that case, ignorance is bliss. Unless you find out somehow.

[Static]

When we talk about the structure of "Virtual Reality," or "Subjective Reality," we really need to think about the structure of what we commonly know as "Objective Reality." All schema, whether induced by machine or by the "normal" perception of our world, are "subjective."

 

The only proof that we have of objective reality is the fact that we perceive it through our senses. Our brains interpret the supposed "real" existence that we lead. Theoretically, it is entirely possible to say that our brains are all wired to a network and believed to exist in some absolutely unconquerable universe, or that our reality is the construct of some greater being's lucid dream or imagination.

 

When someone goes off into something like "Lifelite," how much reality are they really escaping? The only thing we can say for certain in our lives is "I think, therefore I am." Man, and all other beings, are products of their perception and our reality only consists of this perception.

 

 

 

So the fundamental questions remain:

 

LifeLite; waste of life? Who are we to judge the perception of another being when there is no proof that their life is any less lucid than ours?

 

What makes reality real? Who are we to say that someone else's reality is all together any more false than our own? Can we say that someone else's reality is all together any more false than our own?

 

If you said yes to the last question, can you justify hypocrisy?

[OMGAKITTY]

When we talk about the structure of "Virtual Reality' date='" or "Subjective Reality," we really need to think about the structure of what we commonly know as "Objective Reality." All schema, whether induced by machine or by the "normal" perception of our world, are "subjective."

 

The only proof that we have of objective reality is the fact that we perceive it through our senses. Our brains interpret the supposed "real" existence that we lead. Theoretically, it is entirely possible to say that our brains are all wired to a network and believed to exist in some absolutely unconquerable universe, or that our reality is the construct of some greater being's lucid dream or imagination.

 

When someone goes off into something like "Lifelite," how much reality are they really escaping? The only thing we can say for certain in our lives is "I think, therefore I am." Man, and all other beings, are products of their perception and our reality only consists of this perception.

 

 

 

So the fundamental questions remain:

 

LifeLite; waste of life? Who are we to judge the perception of another being when there is no proof that their life is any less lucid than ours?

 

What makes reality real? Who are we to say that someone else's reality is all together any more false than our own?

 

If you said yes to the last question, can you justify hypocrisy?

[/quote']

 

Some good points, but I am COMPLETELY distracted by the fact that the "last question" isn't a yes or no question. >_>;;

[Static]

When we talk about the structure of "Virtual Reality' date='" or "Subjective Reality," we really need to think about the structure of what we commonly know as "Objective Reality." All schema, whether induced by machine or by the "normal" perception of our world, are "subjective."

 

The only proof that we have of objective reality is the fact that we perceive it through our senses. Our brains interpret the supposed "real" existence that we lead. Theoretically, it is entirely possible to say that our brains are all wired to a network and believed to exist in some absolutely unconquerable universe, or that our reality is the construct of some greater being's lucid dream or imagination.

 

When someone goes off into something like "Lifelite," how much reality are they really escaping? The only thing we can say for certain in our lives is "I think, therefore I am." Man, and all other beings, are products of their perception and our reality only consists of this perception.

 

 

 

So the fundamental questions remain:

 

LifeLite; waste of life? Who are we to judge the perception of another being when there is no proof that their life is any less lucid than ours?

 

What makes reality real? Who are we to say that someone else's reality is all together any more false than our own? [b']Can we say that someone else's reality is all together any more false than our own?[/b]

 

If you said yes to the last question, can you justify hypocrisy?

 

Some good points, but I am COMPLETELY distracted by the fact that the "last question" isn't a yes or no question. >_>;;

 

I messed up.

 

XD fixed.