God AND the Big Bang

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Often times using many words to create a descriptive picture is better than using little words to create a vague picture.

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I think we all understood that' date=' but your other posts were too tl;dr that we don't understand the point you are making with that.

 

Also, assuming God existed, how could he have possibly created himself? Unless he existed before anything else, which also has holes in that theory.

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He could not have created himself.

 

He would have had to been a literal Immortal, having existed forever and continuing to do so, which would be utterly impossible.

 

Right, he could not have created himself.

 

Even if he was immortal, there needed to be something to create him, because (as stated above), he cannot create himself.

 

C WUT I DID THAR (stolen from OMGAKITTY)

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When people contradict the Big Bang theory (which in no means in my eyes is correct), one of the first things they say is there had to be something TO EXPLODE, creating what we theorize as the Big Bang. What I just did in this post is applied that to God.

 

It's simple. Either God does not have a cause (don't say existed for eternity because time is a concept only relevant to this universe.) or he a step in an infinite regression. Both possibilities are incomprehensible to the human mind.

 

The thing is, we're just making it all more complicated by throwing God in there to begin with, because those same possibilities can describe the universe/multiverse/continuum/whatever the hell you want to call reality.

 

Actually, it doesn't make it any more complicated than it needs to be.

 

A mass of energy could have plausibly existed for an eternity, knowing no beginning since it never perceived a beginning. However, for any conscious construct to have existed, it would have needed to have a beginning, proving that god could not have existed without his own creation.

 

Which doesn't help god prove his existence.

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Actually, it does complicate things.

 

If the question at hand is "how was the universe created", we are limited to possibilities.

 

If we add God in, we have much more possibilities.

 

Maybe he made two meteors of the exact same size, weight, mass and volume crash together creating an explosion that normally wouldn't happen.

 

Or maybe he took one planet he created and duplicated it an infinite amount of times, which normally wouldn't happen.

 

When you add an all-powerful being in the equation, it adds too many possibilites that it DOES in fact complicate things.

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Actually' date=' it does complicate things.

 

If the question at hand is "how was the universe created", we are limited to possibilities.

 

If we add God in, we have much more possibilities.

 

Maybe he made two meteors of the exact same size, weight, mass and volume crash together creating an explosion that normally wouldn't happen.

 

Or maybe he took one planet he created and duplicated it an infinite amount of times, which normally wouldn't happen.

 

When you add an all-powerful being in the equation, it adds too many possibilites that it DOES in fact complicate things.

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Gah..... *facepalm*

 

God could not have existed in the creation is what I am saying.

 

The ULTIMATE (first) creation of everything could not have been the construct of something conscious. However, if no consciousness is assumed, then we don't have to assume that there even WAS a beginning. The cyclical pattern of existence could extend back into eternity, knowing no beginning or end because one was never perceived, and perhaps all of this sheet has always been here in void and nonreactive until things were hindered. You could write a million theories about the creation of the universe, but the FACT OF THE MATTER is that:

 

The ultimate beginning could not have been the result of a conscious construct.

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I misread the following sentence, which lead to my previous post:

 

Actually, it doesn't make it any more complicated than it needs to be.

 

I read it as: "it doesn't complicate things at all", or at least that is what I perceived.

[Huntar!]

ok. Here's my two cents:

We're a fluke. A total fluke and its hardly thinkable that we're even here to debate this right now.

 

But the question is not of human origin, which can quite easily and thoroughly be explained, but more the origin of the universe. But the thing about that is, the big bang makes no sense at all. But assuming that there's a God out there that manipulates the universe as he sees fit doesn't make much sense either, but its probably more likely than a random explosion of nothing creating everything as we now know it.

[The Dark One]

Actually' date=' it doesn't make it any more complicated than it needs to be.

 

A mass of energy could have plausibly existed for an eternity, knowing no beginning since it never perceived a beginning. However, for any conscious construct to have existed, it would have needed to have a beginning, proving that god could not have existed without his own creation.

 

Which doesn't help god prove his existence.

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Of course, but this "mass of energy" hardly matches the standard concept of god: Either self-created (we're already breaking the bounds of human percievability, so what the hell) or uncreated.

[Womi]

ok. Here's my two cents:

We're a fluke. A total fluke and its hardly thinkable that we're even here to debate this right now.

 

But the question is not of human origin' date=' which can quite easily and thoroughly be explained, but more the origin of the universe. But the thing about that is, the big bang makes no sense at all. But assuming that there's a God out there that manipulates the universe as he sees fit doesn't make much sense either, but its probably more likely than a random explosion of nothing creating everything as we now know it.

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1. Wasnt it an implosion?.-.

2. I think its just ridiculous that there is something control the energies and evolutions and all this stuff.

3. If god exists, there must be billions of them, as the earth is surely not the only planet with life and an evolution in the universe

4. So, billions of grandpas sitting in the clouds create theirselves to control the respective planet?

5. Or is it like the thing with Santa Clause, who is able to bring millions of presents to all children in one night? Is the god-the controlling energy-moving from planet to planet with uber-speed?

 

I think there is no way some higher energy is controlling this planet.

Most people are thinking anthropocentristic, but thats nonsense.

[OMGAKITTY]

ok. Here's my two cents:

We're a fluke. A total fluke and its hardly thinkable that we're even here to debate this right now.

 

But the question is not of human origin' date=' which can quite easily and thoroughly be explained, but more the origin of the universe. But the thing about that is, the big bang makes no sense at all. But assuming that there's a God out there that manipulates the universe as he sees fit doesn't make much sense either, but its probably more likely than a random explosion of nothing creating everything as we now know it.

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1. Wasnt it an implosion?.-.

2. I think its just ridiculous that there is something control the energies and evolutions and all this stuff.

Um. Humans can control evolution already. :/

3. If god exists, there must be billions of them, as the earth is surely not the only planet with life and an evolution in the universe

Speculation

4. So, billions of grandpas sitting in the clouds create theirselves to control the respective planet?

That's like saying I can only maintain one ant farm at a time...

5. Or is it like the thing with Santa Clause, who is able to bring millions of presents to all children in one night? Is the god-the controlling energy-moving from planet to planet with uber-speed?

 

I think there is no way some higher energy is controlling this planet.

Most people are thinking anthropocentristic, but thats nonsense.

Are we still talking about the Christian God here? Because that guy just created the cosmos.

[Womi]

2. The pure evolution is uncontrollable, as it happens free and over millions of years.

3. Its just ridiculous to expect that we're the only "living" planet in such a great universe. I think it isnt speculation anymore to say this. It is proofed, that there WAS life on Mars. U see?

4. You cant compare it with this example.

5. And the actions in the bible? Wasn't that god, too?

[The Dark One]

3. Its just ridiculous to expect that we're the only "living" planet in such a great universe. I think it isnt speculation anymore to say this. It is proofed' date=' that there WAS life on Mars. U see?

 

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Not quite proven. We found fossil evidence that suggested life in a meteorite that came from Mars. (Something about carbon trails that looked like they were left by bacteria.)

 

So it's probable that life existed on Mars, but it hasn't actually been proven.

[Womi]

Ah, okay. The past of proof is proven. Didnt know that.

 

So, okay. Fossils. But so, its proven that there must have been life on another planet.

[Dark]

Check Crab Helmets post in another thread here in Debates.

 

Statistics almost guarantee another form of life somewhere outside of Earth.

 

I don't understand how that is helping us disprove God. :/

[Womi]

Because it is ridiculous to expect that only we have a god.

[OMGAKITTY]

It might disprove the Christian God, but not necessarily the idea of a god(s).

[Dark]

C'mon, you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

[Womi]

@ OMGAK: The thread's title is God AND the Big Bang

not

Gods AND the Big Bang

 

@ Dªrĸ: Yeah, these guys are ridiculous.

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Singular or Plural, it's pretty much the same thing. The Hindu religion has thousands of Gods (is there a table God?), and yet ITS religious book says nothing of alternate life.

 

I got another one.

 

"da bible cant noe evrything i mean its just a bok n u noe mayb it did say udda lif u gotta asume n wen u asume and prove me rong ill say u asumed wrong didnt think bout dat did u?"

[Raelen]

C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

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Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

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Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

I'm not one of that group. In fact, because nothing in science can be proved, nor can our beliefs, we can't claim God does not exist, and have it be so. Therefore, we cannot simply believe there are no other forms of intelligent life in this universe.

[Womi]

Buddhism is the only fancy religion.

 

I mean, look at this Tao Monks, aren't they cool or what? 8)

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Buddhism is the only fancy religion.

 

I mean' date=' look at this Tao Monks, aren't they cool or what? 8)

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...What? Taoism and Buddhism aren't the same thing.

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C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

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Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

Yet another example of a religious person ignoring statistics and going with what a non-proven book says. Wonderful.

[OMGAKITTY]

C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

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Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

Yet another example of a religious person ignoring statistics and going with what a non-proven book says. Wonderful.

 

Statistics =/= solid proof. You bring me the little green man who speaks with his anus, and I'll reconsider this whole Christianity thing.

[Willieh]

God doesn't exist. If you think that god invented the big bang/evolution, you're just funking yourself, considering God was meant to explain things and THE BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION ARE EXPLANATIONS.