God AND the Big Bang

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

God doesn't exist. If you think that god invented the big bang/evolution' date=' you're just f***ing yourself, considering God was meant to explain things and THE BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION ARE EXPLANATIONS.

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And if you're saying this is the only possible explanation for life as we know it, then you're an egotistical liar.

[OMGAKITTY]

God doesn't exist. If you think that god invented the big bang/evolution' date=' you're just f***ing yourself, considering God was meant to explain things and THE BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION ARE EXPLANATIONS.

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And if you're saying this is the only possible explanation for life as we know it, then you're an egotistical liar.

 

Nah, just a troll.

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

God doesn't exist. If you think that god invented the big bang/evolution' date=' you're just f***ing yourself, considering God was meant to explain things and THE BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION ARE EXPLANATIONS.

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And if you're saying this is the only possible explanation for life as we know it, then you're an egotistical liar.

 

Nah, just a troll.

 

That too, but it doesn't excuse his ignorance. Then again. . . .>_>

[Willieh]

God doesn't exist. If you think that god invented the big bang/evolution' date=' you're just f***ing yourself, considering God was meant to explain things and THE BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION ARE EXPLANATIONS.

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And if you're saying this is the only possible explanation for life as we know it, then you're an egotistical liar.

 

Nah, just a troll.

 

That too, but it doesn't excuse his ignorance. Then again. . . .>_>

 

I'm ignorant?

 

Sorry. I guess I'll switch over my beliefs to an imaginary person in the sky and big scary demons in the center of the earth. I find it to be a much better explanation for our existence.

 

Oh yeah, and I don't necessarily believe in the Big Bang. Yeah, Evolution is real. Accept it. I was merely stating that it's pointless to believe in god and the big bang/evolution.

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

I won't accept evolution because there's no such thing as absolute truth. Therefore, evolution being able to be tested, can be proven wrong. I find the fact that ape and their kind are extremely similar to us in both nature and existence, but I strongly disagree that we evolved from them.

[Exiro]

God doesn't exist. If you think that god invented the big bang/evolution' date=' you're just f***ing yourself, considering God was meant to explain things and THE BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION ARE EXPLANATIONS.

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Because explanations definitely aren't meant to explain things, right?

 

 

I won't accept evolution because there's no such thing as absolute truth.

 

1 + 1 = 2

[Dark]

My mommy says my sofa is black. Sure, it may be dark in color, but I am pretty sure it is pink. In fact, I believe it is pink, with all my heart, mind and soul. It's dark in color, but that doesn't automatically prove it is black. I think it's a light shade of pink. The doctors asked me why I think it is pink. This magical book I found in my room told me all sofa's are pink. But that was only page one. On page two, it also said that I am a male. It was correct, so the whole book must be correct. That is why the sofa must be pink, despite what other people tell me.

 

That is your mentality.

 

Willeh is also partially right and partially wrong. Right because God was "created" by mankind to explain what we cannot prove (and to scare people into doing the "right" thing), such as our existance and the universe. Therefore, believing in God and a different explanation for these events is almost a contradiction.

 

Willeh is wrong because of this:

 

"how j00 noe dat god creatd to explan stuff cuz da bible says he created univers but it dun say how so mayb god made big bang and he made us evolv i mean mayb adam eve wer apes the bibl is for interpretation foo"

 

And then when I "interpret" that Adam and Eve were in fact humans:

 

"ur rong cuz u gotta take the corrct interpretation for dis stuf"

 

Willeh may have been wrong in his post (saying Big Bang was the only explanation), but he is in no means a troll.

[OMGAKITTY]

I won't accept macroevolution because there's no such thing as absolute truth. Therefore' date=' [b']macro[/b]evolution being able to be tested, can be proven wrong. I find the fact that ape and their kind are extremely similar to us in both nature and existence, but I strongly disagree that we evolved from them.

 

Microevolution exists, and has been proven >_>

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

I won't accept macroevolution because there's no such thing as absolute truth. Therefore' date=' [b']macro[/b]evolution being able to be tested, can be proven wrong. I find the fact that ape and their kind are extremely similar to us in both nature and existence, but I strongly disagree that we evolved from them.

 

Microevolution exists, and has been proven >_>

 

 

And it can't be proven wrong?

 

God doesn't exist. If you think that god invented the big bang/evolution' date=' you're just f***ing yourself, considering God was meant to explain things and THE BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION ARE EXPLANATIONS.

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Because explanations definitely aren't meant to explain things, right?

 

 

I won't accept evolution because there's no such thing as absolute truth.

 

1 + 1 = 2

 

I contradicted myself for reasons, I thought that was obvious. >_> "There is no abosolute truth, but how do we know this?"

 

Until the end of days has come, we won't know much. And before we get back on the topic of forcing religion down each other's throats, atheists need to apply that to themselves, and move along. If we of another faith can accept you don't believe in our God, then why is it you can't seem to leave it be? Because you say he does not exist makes it true?

 

Because I say evolution is false that does not make it so.

[Dark]

I'll speak for myself on this one.

 

I have no problem with all you Christian people and you Hindu people and you Balaboo (God I made up, IIRC) people and your religious beliefs and your whatnot. To be honest, as long as it doesn't affect me (say I get married, and my wife or my in-laws want the baby baptized), I don't give a damn.

 

My problem happens when I tell people I am an atheist (like when they try to do some shitty ritual on me and I refuse). Then we get into a debate (and it is usually fun). That still is not my point. My problem is when I ask people for proof of God and they say the following:

 

1.) "The Bible." You know, I once wrote my report using facts from a fiction book. I got an F. Just trust a book that isn't 100% accurate. Wonderful.

2.) "You have no proof of God's non-existance." And you have no proof of his existance. We done here? No, they drone on and on.

 

Probably others, but I don't remember.

 

I don't think HORUS, myself or any other atheist wants to question your views, but when it comes to a debate, we like proving people wrong.

[Static]

Actually' date=' it doesn't make it any more complicated than it needs to be.

 

A mass of energy could have plausibly existed for an eternity, knowing no beginning since it never perceived a beginning. However, for any conscious construct to have existed, it would have needed to have a beginning, proving that god could not have existed without his own creation.

 

Which doesn't help god prove his existence.

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Of course, but this "mass of energy" hardly matches the standard concept of god: Either self-created (we're already breaking the bounds of human percievability, so what the hell) or uncreated.

 

This mass of energy could not have created itself, for it is no conscious and cannot create. It in itself is a structure and is one, a whole existence.

 

So "self created" isn't even a plausibility.

 

Existence must be eternal, stretching in what we perceive to be "time" in all directions.

[Dark]

But how do you exist without being created? And how, assuming a God exists, was he created?

 

Then there must have been a God above him. Surely that's it!

 

But that God needed to be created.

 

B-b-b-but God has infinite power.

 

He cannot create himself.

[Raelen]

C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

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Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

Yet another example of a religious person ignoring statistics and going with what a non-proven book says. Wonderful.

 

Nothing can be 100% proven. Have you not even read the other posts in this thread? I would rather you not mock my religion.

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

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Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

Yet another example of a religious person ignoring statistics and going with what a non-proven book says. Wonderful.

 

Nothing can be 100% proven. Have you not even read the other posts in this thread? I would rather you not mock my religion.

 

Our beliefs are nothing more than a joke to those who disagree, but we can do nothing but hold our faith, and move along. You and I both know this is nothing more than a test, to see how strong our faith truly is. We cannot show everyone otherwise, so let it be.

I'll speak for myself on this one.

 

I have no problem with all you Christian people and you Hindu people and you Balaboo (God I made up' date=' IIRC) people and your religious beliefs and your whatnot. To be honest, as long as it doesn't affect me (say I get married, and my wife or my in-laws want the baby baptized), I don't give a damn.

 

My problem happens when I tell people I am an atheist (like when they try to do some shitty ritual on me and I refuse). Then we get into a debate (and it is usually fun). That still is not my point. My problem is when I ask people for proof of God and they say the following:

 

1.) "The Bible." You know, I once wrote my report using facts from a fiction book. I got an F. Just trust a book that isn't 100% accurate. Wonderful.

2.) "You have no proof of God's non-existence." And you have no proof of his existence. We done here? No, they drone on and on.

 

Probably others, but I don't remember.

 

I don't think HORUS, myself or any other atheist wants to question your views, but when it comes to a debate, we like proving people wrong.

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And again, neither of us can be 100% sure of what is right and wrong until our lives have ended, whether it be at man's hands or nature's hands. But I too would appreciate it if our faith were respected and not mocked because others disagree. It's rude, and I'm sure you wouldn't want me criticising you for something you do that I would disagree with, especially if it were morally right by your standards, whether it be murder, suicide, or even necrophelism.

 

Can we agree on that much?

[Raelen]

C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

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Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

Yet another example of a religious person ignoring statistics and going with what a non-proven book says. Wonderful.

 

Nothing can be 100% proven. Have you not even read the other posts in this thread? I would rather you not mock my religion.

 

Our beliefs are nothing more than a joke to those who disagree, but we can do nothing but hold our faith, and move along. You and I both know this is nothing more than a test, to see how strong our faith truly is. We cannot show everyone otherwise, so let it be.

 

You're right. It's pointless to argue over religion with other people.

It's funny that Christians can't post in religious threads without getting flamed. ^_^

Oh well, c'est la vie!

[Willieh]

C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

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Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

Yet another example of a religious person ignoring statistics and going with what a non-proven book says. Wonderful.

 

Nothing can be 100% proven. Have you not even read the other posts in this thread? I would rather you not mock my religion.

 

Our beliefs are nothing more than a joke to those who disagree, but we can do nothing but hold our faith, and move along. You and I both know this is nothing more than a test, to see how strong our faith truly is. We cannot show everyone otherwise, so let it be.

 

You're right. It's pointless to argue over religion with other people.

It's funny that Christians can't post in religious threads without getting flamed. ^_^

Oh well, c'est la vie!

 

That's because Atheists get flamed IRL. The internet makes up for that.

 

And guys, I wasn't advocating the Big Bang. I was merely stating that believing in the Big Bang and God is counter-productive along with being a huge contradiction.

[Dark]

...nothing more than a test, to see how strong our faith truly is.

 

So did God create me to be an atheist so I could test you? Bravo, that is brilliance!

 

ITT: people mistake sarcasm for rudeness and flaming.

[The Dark One]

C'mon' date=' you know these Bible-pushers as well as I do.

 

"uhh, mayb der is 1 god dat rules over da hole univers n he rules over udda life n stuf nevr thought bout dat did u?"

[/quote']

 

Most Christians believe that humans, since we are God's most precious creations, that there would be no other intelligent life forms in the universe.

 

Yet another example of a religious person ignoring statistics and going with what a non-proven book says. Wonderful.

 

Nothing can be 100% proven. Have you not even read the other posts in this thread? I would rather you not mock my religion.

 

Our beliefs are nothing more than a joke to those who disagree, but we can do nothing but hold our faith, and move along. You and I both know this is nothing more than a test, to see how strong our faith truly is. We cannot show everyone otherwise, so let it be.

 

You're right. It's pointless to argue over religion with other people.

It's funny that Christians can't post in religious threads without getting flamed. ^_^

Oh well, c'est la vie!

 

@ Tsuki: Stop using Subjectivism as a crutch for your beliefs. Yes, we know that all things in this world are unprovable for the simple reason that they are percieved through your senses, which could very well be wrong. This being said, nothing productive can come of life unless you just go ahead and make the assumption that your senses are at least reasonably accurate. And no matter what you may claim, this assumption has been made by you and by every other human being. People only throw that out there when they have no other basis for which to support their beliefs.

 

Also, Dark and I both know that you are nothing more than a shell, to cease in its existence after an alloted period of time. I just said that, but what did it add to the topic? Nothing. It was an example of my viewpoint with no evidence supporting it, just as your (similarly worded) comment was an unsupported example of your viewpoint. Go ahead and say it, just keep in mind that to us, you look like a fool because of it, just as I likely did to you for what I said.

 

@Raelin: Don't be silly. No one is flaming you. We are challenging your beliefs with logical questions. When you don't find easy answers to our challenges, you just assume that you're being flamed.

 

@ all the religious people in this thread. No one is mocking you, or at least I[m not. What we're trying to do here to to help you grow as a person. I firmly believe that athiesm has benefits. For one, the average athiest is, in my experience, much more comfortable with the concept of death than the average person who supposedly subscribes to a religion. That would seem rather strange, but I find it to be true. For another, athiests can live the lives they have to the fullest, rather than treating it as some big game in which they earn their ways into the "real thing." We have good intentions, whatever you may think. Please drop the victim mentality.

 

@Dark: While I fully agreed with your last post, I find it more than slightly ironic given your user title.

[Willieh]

It seems as though several people misinterpreted my post. I never said that I accept The Big Bang as the ultimate explanation for all of our questions. I was merely stating how redundant it is for someone to believe in God and the Big Bang. Both are explanations of how our Universe began...

[Womi]

Buddhism is the only fancy religion.

 

I mean' date=' look at this Tao Monks, aren't they cool or what? 8)

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...What? Taoism and Buddhism aren't the same thing.

 

I meant Shaolin Monks, sorry.

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

I'm perfectly fine as a person with death, and I fear it no more than an average atheist. And as you said, TDO, all things may be proven wrong. My Subjectivism was a teaching from a mentor of mine, and I understand where you're coming from, so I'll let that be. A victim? No, I'm nothing close to a victim, just one who falls short of complete understanding, and sending a complete message. That being said, I believe I've made half of my point.

[Dark]

Apparently you don't understand what my user title means.

 

"Where is your God now?" is a phrase used to induce fear, mostly sarcastically.

 

It also doubles up as asking, "If God exists, where is he?"

 

Everything I do and everything I say is flaming to you, isn't it. Learn to take a beating.

 

Also, I am a shell? What exactly does that mean?

 

Also, many things can be 100% proven.

 

I can prove in several different ways that 6 + 7 = 13

 

6 + 7 = 13

7 + 6 = 13

13 - 7 = 6

13 - 6 = 7

-(7 - 13) = 6

-(6 - 13) = 7

...

 

It is proven that all the above statements (the mathematical ones) are 100% true.

[Tsuki ni Mau Majin]

I did no state everything could be proven wrong, and if I did I was incorrect. Some things are 100% fact, but logic, reason, experience, and intuition have taught us that we may be proven wrong at any time. That is what I meant. Thus the debate section. xD

[Static]

But how do you exist without being created? And how' date=' assuming a God exists, was he created?

 

Then there must have been a God above him. Surely that's it!

 

But that God needed to be created.

 

B-b-b-but God has infinite power.

 

He cannot create himself.

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My conscious construct came to be from unmanifest, the energy that has always been and is NOT conscious, simply because god as a conscious force is an impossibility in our universe. All conscious constructs came from unconscious. The unconscious did not create itself, it is eternal, stretching back into time to what we would perceive as infinity, eternity, but it does perceive eternity; we create the concept of eternity.

 

The unconscious does not necessarily need to have been created. Energy could be the omnipotent force in the world, by simply amounting to all of existence it literally manifests the concept of god, just not in a wholesome conscious fashion like religious leaders would have you believe.

 

Things like Shamanism which supposedly control forces in our universe cannot be disproved as easily though if you think about it this way; however, it absolutely trashes the common idea of "god," this presumption/theory derived entirely from logic and understanding.

 

Also, food for thought. In Japan, it has been proven that praying over freezing water for the water to freeze abnormally causes the water to freeze abnormally. Water freezes in the same structural way no matter where it is in the universe, but when prayed over it has defied physics, and the only explanation is the "power of prayer."

 

Figure that one out.

[The Dark One]

Also' date=' food for thought. In Japan, it has been proven that praying over freezing water for the water to freeze abnormally causes the water to freeze abnormally. Water freezes in the same structural way no matter where it is in the universe, but when prayed over it has defied physics, and the only explanation is the "power of prayer."

 

Figure that one out.[/b']

 

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