~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 No' date=' it had nothing to do with religion. If you wanted to nail religion you could've AT LEAST picked an obvious target, WWII. If anyone were to actually try to fly a plain into the twin towers, they'd've been shot down by intercepting jets immediately. Those in charge of the Air Force had the pilots of these fighter jets, all of them, fly to the Arctic to "practice fighting in a dangerous landscape" or some bullshit excuse along those lines. When "the Muslim plane" was flying within the area, they knew and could've intercepted even from the Arctic due to their ridiculous speeds, but they were told to "stand down". Not only that, but explosives were also planted at the base of the tower as failsafes. Its just obvious at this point, "Bush and co" orchestrated the whole thing. Fairly ill-concealed I might add. But who's to oppose them? The Nazis did the same thing, they torched their own Parliament buildings. This kind of move dates back to the days of the Roman Empire. And what was the real motive? The Middle East's got a nice supply of oil. Staging an attack on your own soil and blaming the Middle East=an excuse to bomb the s*** out of the Middle East=oil=cash, cash makes the world go 'round. Religion hadn't s*** to do with it. Honestly, just shut the f*** up HORUS.[/quote'] Blah blah blah unproven ridiculous conspiracies blah blah blah. Ridiculous? Unproven? Much the contrary. It's OBVIOUS that the ex-US government could benefit from it, so why not? Not to mention there're shitloads of proof EVERYWHERE if you'd go beyond hearing what you want to so you can pin everything on a single escapist practice. YCM's one too. So's heavy metal. Something to think about. So, let me just run through the discussion the planners for this probably had: America: Hey, muslims, I got an idea. You guys fly some planes into 3 of our most important buildings and kill thousands of us. Al Qaeda: Sounds good. America: And then we'll invade your country, kill your people, destroy your government, kill you all, take your money, steal your oil, and take over. Al Qaeda: Where's the catch? PROTIP: "Osama Bin Laden" didn't necessarily have anything to do with the attacks just because Bush said he did. Had it EVER occurred to you that there's no place on earth one could hide without US intelligence having their head if they needed it? "OH WE CANT FIND HIM". Yeah, bullshit. They know everything about everyone. If they wanted to kill "Osama Bin Laden", they would've by now. Prove "muslims" were even in the plane. Prove they weren't. It's irrelevant. There's no way the planes would've caused an explosion of such magnitude, an iron-rich sphere from an explosive was found at the base of the tower, the US Air Force "just happened" to be out of the way in the Arctic being told to stand down. The World Trade Center didn't have a higher concentration of Christians than any other target your so-called "muslims" could've picked out. It wasn't about Religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staticrevenger Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 No' date=' it had nothing to do with religion. If you wanted to nail religion you could've AT LEAST picked an obvious target, WWII. If anyone were to actually try to fly a plain into the twin towers, they'd've been shot down by intercepting jets immediately. Those in charge of the Air Force had the pilots of these fighter jets, all of them, fly to the Arctic to "practice fighting in a dangerous landscape" or some bullshit excuse along those lines. When "the Muslim plane" was flying within the area, they knew and could've intercepted even from the Arctic due to their ridiculous speeds, but they were told to "stand down". Not only that, but explosives were also planted at the base of the tower as failsafes. Its just obvious at this point, "Bush and co" orchestrated the whole thing. Fairly ill-concealed I might add. But who's to oppose them? The Nazis did the same thing, they torched their own Parliament buildings. This kind of move dates back to the days of the Roman Empire. And what was the real motive? The Middle East's got a nice supply of oil. Staging an attack on your own soil and blaming the Middle East=an excuse to bomb the s*** out of the Middle East=oil=cash, cash makes the world go 'round. Religion hadn't s*** to do with it. Honestly, just shut the f*** up HORUS.[/quote'] Blah blah blah unproven ridiculous conspiracies blah blah blah. Ridiculous? Unproven? Much the contrary. It's OBVIOUS that the ex-US government could benefit from it, so why not? Not to mention there're shitloads of proof EVERYWHERE if you'd go beyond hearing what you want to so you can pin everything on a single escapist practice. YCM's one too. So's heavy metal. Something to think about. So, let me just run through the discussion the planners for this probably had: America: Hey, muslims, I got an idea. You guys fly some planes into 3 of our most important buildings and kill thousands of us. Al Qaeda: Sounds good. America: And then we'll invade your country, kill your people, destroy your government, kill you all, take your money, steal your oil, and take over. Al Qaeda: Where's the catch? PROTIP: "Osama Bin Laden" didn't necessarily have anything to do with the attacks just because Bush said he did. Had it EVER occurred to you that there's no place on earth one could hide without US intelligence having their head if they needed it? "OH WE CANT FIND HIM". Yeah, bullshit. They know everything about everyone. If they wanted to kill "Osama Bin Laden", they would've by now. Prove "muslims" were even in the plane. Prove they weren't. It's irrelevant. There's no way the planes would've caused an explosion of such magnitude, an iron-rich sphere from an explosive was found at the base of the tower, the US Air Force "just happened" to be out of the way in the Arctic being told to stand down. The World Trade Center didn't have a higher concentration of Christians than any other target your so-called "muslims" could've picked out. It wasn't about Religion. If anyone were to actually try to fly a plain into the twin towers, they'd've been shot down by intercepting jets immediately. Those in charge of the Air Force had the pilots of these fighter jets, all of them, fly to the Arctic to "practice fighting in a dangerous landscape" or some bullshit excuse along those lines. When "the Muslim plane" was flying within the area, they knew and could've intercepted even from the Arctic due to their ridiculous speeds, but they were told to "stand down". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelsthla-Mental Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 this is truth because alot of people hate Mormon people You' date=' sir, are plain retarded. You seem to find a way to blame everything on religion. Now I'm not saying that 9/11 was not caused in some way by religion but not everything bad in this world is caused by religion. You seem to be ignoring things that agnostics or atheists do that would be considered evil. And what exactly have agnostics and atheists done that would be considered evil? inb4hitler. Hitler was Catholic. Joseph Stalin and Enver Hoxha, I suppose. But there is a psycho supporter to everything anyway. It really does seem that the problem comes with 'strong' belief rather then the belief itself. It's kind of like how you find unpleasant fanbases for shows like Star Wars etc. They have too strong an opinion on it and can cause trouble when someone opposes it, although to a lesser degree of course. And Horus, rethink 'prove there weren't any Muslims on the plane' in response to proving there is. Doesn't that contradict that last quote you used by... Oh, what was his name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staticrevenger Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Honestly, just shut the f*** up HORUS. yeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelsthla-Mental Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Honestly' date=' just shut the f*** up HORUS. yeh[/quote'] Let HORUS have the freedom of speech would you? Isn't that the society we live in? You don't have to look in this thread you know, if it isn't to your liking just leave it alone. It isn't going to chase after you if you ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staticrevenger Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Honestly' date=' just shut the f*** up HORUS. yeh[/quote'] Let HORUS have the freedom of speech would you? Isn't that the society we live in? You don't have to look in this thread you know, if it isn't to your liking just leave it alone. It isn't going to chase after you if you ignore it. sorry i was quoting u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EocDragon Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 As much as I'd love to discuss poorly constructed conspiracy theories, I'd much rather go back to Horus' original question to point out that the assumption that religion has been the basis of most of the world's conflicts is highly flawed. People fight for far many more things than just religion, and if religion is a factor in 90% of today's conflicts I would be suprised. Religion is really just a set of beliefs like any other, and by implying that religion and thus beliefs in general cause conflicts, you imply that if only people were devoid of beliefs, morals and personal opinions then the world could be happy and peaceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 No' date=' it had nothing to do with religion. If you wanted to nail religion you could've AT LEAST picked an obvious target, WWII. If anyone were to actually try to fly a plain into the twin towers, they'd've been shot down by intercepting jets immediately. Those in charge of the Air Force had the pilots of these fighter jets, all of them, fly to the Arctic to "practice fighting in a dangerous landscape" or some bullshit excuse along those lines. When "the Muslim plane" was flying within the area, they knew and could've intercepted even from the Arctic due to their ridiculous speeds, but they were told to "stand down". Not only that, but explosives were also planted at the base of the tower as failsafes. Its just obvious at this point, "Bush and co" orchestrated the whole thing. Fairly ill-concealed I might add. But who's to oppose them? The Nazis did the same thing, they torched their own Parliament buildings. This kind of move dates back to the days of the Roman Empire. And what was the real motive? The Middle East's got a nice supply of oil. Staging an attack on your own soil and blaming the Middle East=an excuse to bomb the s*** out of the Middle East=oil=cash, cash makes the world go 'round. Religion hadn't s*** to do with it. Honestly, just shut the f*** up HORUS.[/quote'] Blah blah blah unproven ridiculous conspiracies blah blah blah. Ridiculous? Unproven? Much the contrary. It's OBVIOUS that the ex-US government could benefit from it, so why not? Not to mention there're shitloads of proof EVERYWHERE if you'd go beyond hearing what you want to so you can pin everything on a single escapist practice. YCM's one too. So's heavy metal. Something to think about. So, let me just run through the discussion the planners for this probably had: America: Hey, muslims, I got an idea. You guys fly some planes into 3 of our most important buildings and kill thousands of us. Al Qaeda: Sounds good. America: And then we'll invade your country, kill your people, destroy your government, kill you all, take your money, steal your oil, and take over. Al Qaeda: Where's the catch? PROTIP: "Osama Bin Laden" didn't necessarily have anything to do with the attacks just because Bush said he did. Had it EVER occurred to you that there's no place on earth one could hide without US intelligence having their head if they needed it? "OH WE CANT FIND HIM". Yeah, bullshit. They know everything about everyone. If they wanted to kill "Osama Bin Laden", they would've by now. Prove "muslims" were even in the plane. Prove they weren't. Innocent untill proven guilty. Your move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 No' date=' it had nothing to do with religion. If you wanted to nail religion you could've AT LEAST picked an obvious target, WWII. If anyone were to actually try to fly a plain into the twin towers, they'd've been shot down by intercepting jets immediately. Those in charge of the Air Force had the pilots of these fighter jets, all of them, fly to the Arctic to "practice fighting in a dangerous landscape" or some bullshit excuse along those lines. When "the Muslim plane" was flying within the area, they knew and could've intercepted even from the Arctic due to their ridiculous speeds, but they were told to "stand down". Not only that, but explosives were also planted at the base of the tower as failsafes. Its just obvious at this point, "Bush and co" orchestrated the whole thing. Fairly ill-concealed I might add. But who's to oppose them? The Nazis did the same thing, they torched their own Parliament buildings. This kind of move dates back to the days of the Roman Empire. And what was the real motive? The Middle East's got a nice supply of oil. Staging an attack on your own soil and blaming the Middle East=an excuse to bomb the s*** out of the Middle East=oil=cash, cash makes the world go 'round. Religion hadn't s*** to do with it. Honestly, just shut the f*** up HORUS.[/quote'] This has the words "written by dumbfuck" all over it. You mean the president stagged the biggest attack of the century so that he can make the worst decisions made by any president to date? Wow that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 No' date=' it had nothing to do with religion. If you wanted to nail religion you could've AT LEAST picked an obvious target, WWII. If anyone were to actually try to fly a plain into the twin towers, they'd've been shot down by intercepting jets immediately. Those in charge of the Air Force had the pilots of these fighter jets, all of them, fly to the Arctic to "practice fighting in a dangerous landscape" or some bullshit excuse along those lines. When "the Muslim plane" was flying within the area, they knew and could've intercepted even from the Arctic due to their ridiculous speeds, but they were told to "stand down". Not only that, but explosives were also planted at the base of the tower as failsafes. Its just obvious at this point, "Bush and co" orchestrated the whole thing. Fairly ill-concealed I might add. But who's to oppose them? The Nazis did the same thing, they torched their own Parliament buildings. This kind of move dates back to the days of the Roman Empire. And what was the real motive? The Middle East's got a nice supply of oil. Staging an attack on your own soil and blaming the Middle East=an excuse to bomb the s*** out of the Middle East=oil=cash, cash makes the world go 'round. Religion hadn't s*** to do with it. Honestly, just shut the f*** up HORUS.[/quote'] This has the words "written by dumbfuck" all over it. You mean the president stagged the biggest attack of the century so that he can make the worst decisions made by any president to date? Wow that makes sense. And he would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids and their talking dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 You mean the president stagged the biggest attack of the century so that he can make the worst decisions made by any president to date? Wow that makes sense. And he would've gotten away with it too' date=' if it weren't for those meddling kids and their talking dog.[/b'] Hunter won the thread. Oh, and COOL STORY BRO! Religion did cause it. But no matter how much I personally despise religion, you can't blame everything on religion. Religion did play a part in this, but the people who did it were evil. That's the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 If anyone were to actually try to fly a plain into the twin towers' date=' they'd've been shot down by intercepting jets immediately. Those in charge of the Air Force had the pilots of these fighter jets, all of them, fly to the Arctic to "practice fighting in a dangerous landscape" or some bullshit excuse along those lines. When "the Muslim plane" was flying within the area, they knew and could've intercepted even from the Arctic due to their ridiculous speeds, but they were told to "stand down". Not only that, but explosives were also planted at the base of the tower as failsafes. Its just obvious at this point, "Bush and co" orchestrated the whole thing. Fairly ill-concealed I might add. But who's to oppose them? The Nazis did the same thing, they torched their own Parliament buildings. This kind of move dates back to the days of the Roman Empire. And what was the real motive? The Middle East's got a nice supply of oil. Staging an attack on your own soil and blaming the Middle East=an excuse to bomb the s*** out of the Middle East=oil=cash, cash makes the world go 'round. Religion hadn't s*** to do with it. [/quote']This. Exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesCrow Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 With or without religion you would have good people doing good things, and bad people doing bad things. But for an otherwise good person, to do a bad thing, that takes religion. The terrorists were/are not crazy. They are extremely faithful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 But in all seriousness, religion didn't play a real part. Religion is just a scapegoat. Its just a bunch of insane and easily persuaded people in the Middle East listening to a madman give orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 this is truth because alot of people hate Mormon people You' date=' sir, are plain retarded. You seem to find a way to blame everything on religion. Now I'm not saying that 9/11 was not caused in some way by religion but not everything bad in this world is caused by religion. You seem to be ignoring things that agnostics or atheists do that would be considered evil. And what exactly have agnostics and atheists done that would be considered evil? inb4hitler. Hitler was Catholic. Joseph Stalin and Enver Hoxha, I suppose. But there is a psycho supporter to everything anyway. It really does seem that the problem comes with 'strong' belief rather then the belief itself. It's kind of like how you find unpleasant fanbases for shows like Star Wars etc. They have too strong an opinion on it and can cause trouble when someone opposes it, although to a lesser degree of course. And Horus, rethink 'prove there weren't any Muslims on the plane' in response to proving there is. Doesn't that contradict that last quote you used by... Oh, what was his name... I don't have the means to prove that there were muslims on the plane, the government does. Really, where do you get your information from about the 9/11 sheet? With or without religion you would have good people doing good things' date=' and bad people doing bad things. But for an otherwise good person, to do a bad thing, that takes religion.[/b'] The terrorists were/are not crazy. They are extremely faithful... Bill Maher, right?But in all seriousness' date=' religion didn't play a real part. Religion is just a scapegoat. Its just a bunch of insane and easily persuaded people in the Middle East listening to a madman give orders.[/quote'] That madman was a religious nut who told them to do it for religious reasons. The terrorists weren't just stupid brainwashed people. Some of them were esteemed engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Esteemed engineers who are very easily persuaded. The terrorists are doing it for supposedly religious reasons, but Osama BinLaden is using it as a tool to get what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernova513 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Icy locked my first thread and promised to reopen it today but must have been absolutely lying. While it is important to respect the dead (including the terrorists)' date=' let us not forget that this horrible tragedy would never have occurred, these lives would never have been lost, and the war on terror that resulted in so many more lost lives would never have begun were it not for religion and religious intolerance. Religion is the root of it. Discuss.[/quote'] I like how atheists and anti-theists try to use religion as a scapegoat for the world's ills. The truth is, however, that most if not all religions preach peace. This is the case with Islam. Islam states that killing is absolutely wrong and that taking 1 human life is the same as taking them all. It is not religion that caused 9/11, but the people who misuse and misconstrue it. There are plenty of people and countries around the world that hate the U.S. for reasons that have nothing to do with religion. At least do some research on the religion you're going to try and bash...:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 He gets it from Rosy O'Donald. But in all seriousness' date=' religion didn't play a real part. Religion is just a scapegoat. Its just a bunch of insane and easily persuaded people in the Middle East listening to a madman give orders.[/quote'] What are you smoking? That's some serious sheet right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Esteemed engineers who are very easily persuaded. The terrorists are doing it for supposedly religious reasons' date=' but Osama BinLaden is using it as a tool to get what he wants.[/quote'] And therefore, it was religion that was the root of it. Those people would not be persuaded if it weren't for religion. Seriously, you guys keep bringing up more ways for me to exploit the fact that religion was the cause. Icy locked my first thread and promised to reopen it today but must have been absolutely lying. While it is important to respect the dead (including the terrorists)' date=' let us not forget that this horrible tragedy would never have occurred, these lives would never have been lost, and the war on terror that resulted in so many more lost lives would never have begun were it not for religion and religious intolerance. Religion is the root of it. Discuss.[/quote'] I like how atheists and anti-theists try to use religion as a scapegoat for the world's ills. The truth is, however, that most if not all religions preach peace. This is the case with Islam. Islam states that killing is absolutely wrong and that taking 1 human life is the same as taking them all. It is not religion that caused 9/11, but the people who misuse and misconstrue it. There are plenty of people and countries around the world that hate the U.S. for reasons that have nothing to do with religion. At least do some research on the religion you're going to try and bash...:( And the muslim holy book also says that the infidel should be killed. So there goes your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Religion isn't the main problem. Religion is only a problem when it is used as a weapon by those smart enough to use it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Religion isn't the main problem. Religion is only a problem when it is used as a weapon by those smart enough to use it as such. 9-11 happened because people are idiotsand Religion should never be used as a weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Icy locked my first thread and promised to reopen it today but must have been absolutely lying. While it is important to respect the dead (including the terrorists)' date=' let us not forget that this horrible tragedy would never have occurred, these lives would never have been lost, and the war on terror that resulted in so many more lost lives would never have begun were it not for religion and religious intolerance. Religion is the root of it. Discuss.[/quote'] Lol'd so hard at the bolded part. I feel the US Government planned 9/11, but no one knows for sure so it definatley could have religious roots to it. Here is a saying I made up today: "God is like the square root of plus-minus 2; it's either real and irrational or imaginary." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Here is a saying I made up today: "Dark makes stupid sayings." Altair, air. :3 Kitty, it shouldn't. But it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Here is a saying I made up today: "Dark makes stupid sayings." Altair' date=' air. :3 Kitty, it shouldn't. But it is.[/quote'] *nods* i agree 100% on your new saying Princey and I know.. people who uses religion as a weapon should be shot... *picks up Shotgun* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Religion isn't the main problem. Religion is only a problem when it is used as a weapon by those smart enough to use it as such. 9-11 happened because people are idiotsand Religion should never be used as a weapon Hey kitty girl, move along. This is a discussion for serious men with serious balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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