Torture.

[Tabris]

Oh, you mean coaxing terrorists to speak SOMETHING - ANYTHING - via any and all methods prior to killing them outright after coaxing malicious information from them?

 

Oh, simple.

 

Read the first sentence.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

You are blatantly assuming Al Queda planned 9/11. Whatever. :/

 

My point is that torture won't reveal much information' date=' and you'd have to be 100% sure that the person you are torturing is guilty.

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Are you serious?

Watch this, it's pretty funny.

 

Really though, there's not a good reason to question Al'Qaeda's planning and involvement in 9/11. That's conspiracy bullshit.

Unlike most conspiracy theories however, it has a point to it. It would allow the US to drill as much oil as they pleased in the Middle East.

[Dark]

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You are blatantly assuming Al Queda planned 9/11. Whatever. :/

My point is that torture won't reveal much information, and you'd have to be 100% sure that the person you are torturing is guilty.
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Are you serious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0
Watch this, it's pretty funny.

Really though, there's not a good reason to question Al'Qaeda's planning and involvement in 9/11. That's conspiracy bullshit.
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I've seen that video so many times. It's The Onion; you cannot take anything they say at face value.

We obviously went to war with Afghanistan because we wanted Americans to think Osama did plan 9/11. Then we used it as a crutch to get to Iraq with these so called "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Once in Iraq, we capitalized on oil.

If Osama did plan 9/11, we have the resources to find him. But we haven't yet. Meaning he didn't do anything where we would have to kill him.

[The Dark One]

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You are blatantly assuming Al Queda planned 9/11. Whatever. :/

My point is that torture won't reveal much information, and you'd have to be 100% sure that the person you are torturing is guilty.
[/quote]

Are you serious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0
Watch this, it's pretty funny.

Really though, there's not a good reason to question Al'Qaeda's planning and involvement in 9/11. That's conspiracy bullshit.
[/quote]

I've seen that video so many times. It's The Onion; you cannot take anything they say at face value.

We obviously went to war with Afghanistan because we wanted Americans to think Osama did plan 9/11. Then we used it as a crutch to get to Iraq with these so called "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Once in Iraq, we capitalized on oil.

If Osama did plan 9/11, we have the resources to find him. But we haven't yet. Meaning he didn't do anything where we would have to kill him.
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No shit you can't take i at face value. It's a comedy act.

It's pathetic that we haven't found Osama yet, but that isn't compelling evidence that America staged 9/11. Bush is an idiot, but he isn't evil.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

^ That's where the whole "puppet master Cheney" theory comes from.

[Dark]

You are blatantly assuming Al Queda planned 9/11. Whatever. :/

 

My point is that torture won't reveal much information' date=' and you'd have to be 100% sure that the person you are torturing is guilty.

[/quote']

 

Are you serious?

Watch this, it's pretty funny.

 

Really though, there's not a good reason to question Al'Qaeda's planning and involvement in 9/11. That's conspiracy bullshit.

 

I've seen that video so many times. It's The Onion; you cannot take anything they say at face value.

 

We obviously went to war with Afghanistan because we wanted Americans to think Osama did plan 9/11. Then we used it as a crutch to get to Iraq with these so called "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Once in Iraq, we capitalized on oil.

 

If Osama did plan 9/11, we have the resources to find him. But we haven't yet. Meaning he didn't do anything where we would have to kill him.

No s*** you can't take i at face value. It's a comedy act.

 

It's pathetic that we haven't found Osama yet, but that isn't compelling evidence that America staged 9/11. Bush is an idiot, but he isn't evil.

 

I understand Bush was an idiot, but with about 7 years of Bush's presidancy and a few months of Obama's, we SHOULD have been able to find Osama now. We have the resources, we have the intelligence, we have the technology. The fact that we haven't found him means we are not looking for him. Meaning he didn't do a thing which hurt us.

 

Did anyone see who was on the plane? Who the terrorists were? I could go as far as to say the US hired middle-east people to blow up America. They family gets money and they get to blow up a country. Win-win.

 

And if Osama did blow our country apart, how does that justify the war in Iraq to look for weapons of mass destruction (WoMD)? If WoMD actually existed, we would have found something by now. BUT WE DIDN'T. Meaning the only reason we went to war with Iraq was to get oil.

[The Dark One]

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You are blatantly assuming Al Queda planned 9/11. Whatever. :/

My point is that torture won't reveal much information, and you'd have to be 100% sure that the person you are torturing is guilty.
[/quote]

Are you serious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0
Watch this, it's pretty funny.

Really though, there's not a good reason to question Al'Qaeda's planning and involvement in 9/11. That's conspiracy bullshit.
[/quote]

I've seen that video so many times. It's The Onion; you cannot take anything they say at face value.

We obviously went to war with Afghanistan because we wanted Americans to think Osama did plan 9/11. Then we used it as a crutch to get to Iraq with these so called "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Once in Iraq, we capitalized on oil.

If Osama did plan 9/11, we have the resources to find him. But we haven't yet. Meaning he didn't do anything where we would have to kill him.
[/quote]
No s*** you can't take i at face value. It's a comedy act.

It's pathetic that we haven't found Osama yet, but that isn't compelling evidence that America staged 9/11. Bush is an idiot, but he isn't evil.
[/quote]

I understand Bush was an idiot, but with about 7 years of Bush's presidancy and a few months of Obama's, we SHOULD have been able to find Osama now. We have the resources, we have the intelligence, we have the technology. The fact that we haven't found him means we are not looking for him. Meaning he didn't do a thing which hurt us.

Did anyone see who was on the plane? Who the terrorists were? I could go as far as to say the US hired middle-east people to blow up America. They family gets money and they get to blow up a country. Win-win.

And if Osama did blow our country apart, how does that justify the war in Iraq to look for weapons of mass destruction (WoMD)? If WoMD actually existed, we would have found something by now. BUT WE DIDN'T. Meaning the only reason we went to war with Iraq was to get oil.
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Iraq was a bullshit war (though I would argue that Oil was a secondary interest, the benefits of the war itself upon the Bush administration's popularity were far more relevant), but that has zero relevancy to whether or not 9/11 was a staged attack.

[Dark]

We obviously couldn't state that some middle-eastern guys planned an attack and do nothing. We staged that attack ourselves, went to war with Afghanistan as a hoax, to tell people that they DID do it, even though they didn't. With me so far?

 

From there, we wen't to Iraq for a completley different reason (WoMD), and got oil from there. It looks like the two wars are not connected, but after we went to war with Afghanistan to keep the 9/11 plot by Al Queda "true", we cut to Iraq to get oil, and made some bullshit theory about WoMD.

[The Dark One]

We obviously couldn't state that some middle-eastern guys planned an attack and do nothing. We staged that attack ourselves' date=' went to war with Afghanistan as a hoax, to tell people that they DID do it, even though they didn't. With me so far?

 

From there, we wen't to Iraq for a completley different reason (WoMD), and got oil from there. It looks like the two wars are not connected, but after we went to war with Afghanistan to keep the 9/11 plot by Al Queda "true", we cut to Iraq to get oil, and made some bullshit theory about WoMD.

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I hope you're joking. The logical leaps you're making are astounding.

[Dark]

No, I am not joking. It makes complete sense.

 

1.) We plan 9/11.

2.) Go to war with Afghanistan even though they did nothing.

3.) Go to war with Iraq for bullshit WoMD reason.

4.) Oil. :D

[Tabris]

I understand Bush was an idiot, but with about 7 years of Bush's presidancy and a few months of Obama's, we SHOULD have been able to find Osama now. We have the resources, we have the intelligence, we have the technology. The fact that we haven't found him means we are not looking for him. Meaning he didn't do a thing which hurt us.

 

Not exactly.

 

Remember that the Bin Ladens are closely allied with the Sauds who in turn are chemical overlords of American politicians.

[Dark]

Couldn't we just blow up the whole mountain(s)? [/sar]

[The Dark One]

Couldn't we just blow up the whole mountain(s)? [/sar]

 

Dropping (probably) nuclear weapons on mountains in Pakistan? Not smart.

[Dark]

Couldn't we just blow up the whole mountain(s)? [/sar]

 

Dropping (probably) nuclear weapons on mountains in Pakistan? Not smart.

 

But if we blow up the mountains' date=' Osama has no chance of living! [/sar']

[Sparta™]

I take it you don't think it is horrible? Have you ever been tortured before? If you have' date=' I bet you would not have liked it.

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Fine. Let's say you were about to get bombed. But you can stop it by asking this terrorist, exactly, step by step. he won't answer. So, by the sound of what you're saying, you wouldn't do s*** and won't torture, to save lives of your people.

 

That's Ok though, you can blow up, I can save the innocent.

 

Okay, so you're this innocent muslim right? Stupid Republicans think you're a terrorist because of your religion and appearance and take you into a prison complex with little or no charges, right? Then they ask you random questions, okay? You don't know any of the answers, so they torture you by bringing you within an inch of your life and simulating the aspect of drowning and shocking you and you didn't even do anything to earn this hell on earth, okay?

 

That's okay though, you can torture people who won't talk will say whatever you want them to say regardless or don't know what you're talking about for sick kicks, but I'm going to be humane.

 

 

Dude, if you're just some Republican machine perfectly instructed to follow your parents' path just stay out of Debates.

 

If you have links to terrorists, or family members, then we can ask you a few questions. If you go around admitting it, we'll torture the sheet out of you. Get what I'm saying?

[Dark]

Obviously, saying that I am planning a terroristic threat means the government can obviously torture me even though they have no proof of a terroristic threat other than a single claim from a single person. Obviously.

[Sparta™]

I take it you don't think it is horrible? Have you ever been tortured before? If you have' date=' I bet you would not have liked it.

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Fine. Let's say you were about to get bombed. But you can stop it by asking this terrorist, exactly, step by step. he won't answer. So, by the sound of what you're saying, you wouldn't do s*** and won't torture, to save lives of your people.

 

That's Ok though, you can blow up, I can save the innocent.

 

Okay, so you're this innocent muslim right? Stupid Republicans think you're a terrorist because of your religion and appearance and take you into a prison complex with little or no charges, right? Then they ask you random questions, okay? You don't know any of the answers, so they torture you by bringing you within an inch of your life and simulating the aspect of drowning and shocking you and you didn't even do anything to earn this hell on earth, okay?

 

That's okay though, you can torture people who won't talk will say whatever you want them to say regardless or don't know what you're talking about for sick kicks, but I'm going to be humane.

 

 

Dude, if you're just some Republican machine perfectly instructed to follow your parents' path just stay out of Debates.

At least republicans want to protect and not let people walk all over us. liberals on the other hand want to solve everything with peace and love and that everything can be solved that way. wake the hell up the world doesnt work that way. action is neccecary though not all the time but you cant deal with people with hugs and kisses.torture is neccecary but only up to a certain point. and for the record would other contries even think about not torturing the people they have caught.

I lol'd. It seems that people on YCM either already agree with you or are too blind to be convinced to rethink their opinion.

 

You're under the impression that liberals have to be the exact inverse of republicans. And you seem to think that interrogation works. They'll either say what you want them to say if its a yes or no question or make something up if you're asking for specifics. And if you're innocent what are you going to do. Honestly, torture sucks on all levels.

 

nless of course youre a president that staged 9/11 to get some oil from foreign countries

Now why the hell would Bush destroy his own country?

 

You sound like an idiot.

[OMGAKITTY]

I take it you don't think it is horrible? Have you ever been tortured before? If you have' date=' I bet you would not have liked it.

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Fine. Let's say you were about to get bombed. But you can stop it by asking this terrorist, exactly, step by step. he won't answer. So, by the sound of what you're saying, you wouldn't do s*** and won't torture, to save lives of your people.

 

That's Ok though, you can blow up, I can save the innocent.

 

Okay, so you're this innocent muslim right? Stupid Republicans think you're a terrorist because of your religion and appearance and take you into a prison complex with little or no charges, right? Then they ask you random questions, okay? You don't know any of the answers, so they torture you by bringing you within an inch of your life and simulating the aspect of drowning and shocking you and you didn't even do anything to earn this hell on earth, okay?

 

That's okay though, you can torture people who won't talk will say whatever you want them to say regardless or don't know what you're talking about for sick kicks, but I'm going to be humane.

 

 

Dude, if you're just some Republican machine perfectly instructed to follow your parents' path just stay out of Debates.

 

If you have links to terrorists, or family members, then we can ask you a few questions. If you go around admitting it, we'll torture the s*** out of you. Get what I'm saying?

 

IMMA TERRORIST IMMA TERRORIST IMMA BLOW UP THE USA!!!

 

Come and get me bish.

 

Terrorists work in cells, catching some guy off the street isn't going to give you any real information.

[Dark]

So, explain to me the real reason for going to war with Iraq. WoMD? No. We haven't found any WoMD in Iraq. But guess what? IRAQ HAS OIL.

[Sparta™]

Obviously' date=' saying that I am planning a terroristic threat means the government can [i']obviously[/i] torture me even though they have no proof of a terroristic threat other than a single claim from a single person. Obviously.

 

If it was "ONE PERSON" we would interrogate. If it were "MULTIPLE PEOPLE" we would what is so evil, waterboarding, or pouring a gallon of water in somebody's face. >_>

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So' date=' explain to me the real reason for going to war with Iraq. WoMD? No. We haven't found any WoMD in Iraq. But guess what? IRAQ HAS OIL.

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Maybe because there were a bunch of pissed off muslims that murdered the lives of Americans? Ever think of that?

[OMGAKITTY]

Obviously' date=' saying that I am planning a terroristic threat means the government can [i']obviously[/i] torture me even though they have no proof of a terroristic threat other than a single claim from a single person. Obviously.

 

If it was "ONE PERSON" we would interrogate. If it were "MULTIPLE PEOPLE" we would what is so evil, waterboarding, or pouring a gallon of water in somebody's face. >_>

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So' date=' explain to me the real reason for going to war with Iraq. WoMD? No. We haven't found any WoMD in Iraq. But guess what? IRAQ HAS OIL.

[/quote']

 

Maybe because there were a bunch of pissed off muslims that murdered the lives of Americans? Ever think of that?

 

How does having multiple people = different techniques >_>

That make no sense.

[Sparta™]

I take it you don't think it is horrible? Have you ever been tortured before? If you have' date=' I bet you would not have liked it.

[/quote']

 

Fine. Let's say you were about to get bombed. But you can stop it by asking this terrorist, exactly, step by step. he won't answer. So, by the sound of what you're saying, you wouldn't do s*** and won't torture, to save lives of your people.

 

That's Ok though, you can blow up, I can save the innocent.

 

Okay, so you're this innocent muslim right? Stupid Republicans think you're a terrorist because of your religion and appearance and take you into a prison complex with little or no charges, right? Then they ask you random questions, okay? You don't know any of the answers, so they torture you by bringing you within an inch of your life and simulating the aspect of drowning and shocking you and you didn't even do anything to earn this hell on earth, okay?

 

That's okay though, you can torture people who won't talk will say whatever you want them to say regardless or don't know what you're talking about for sick kicks, but I'm going to be humane.

 

 

Dude, if you're just some Republican machine perfectly instructed to follow your parents' path just stay out of Debates.

 

If you have links to terrorists, or family members, then we can ask you a few questions. If you go around admitting it, we'll torture the s*** out of you. Get what I'm saying?

 

IMMA TERRORIST IMMA TERRORIST IMMA BLOW UP THE USA!!!

 

Come and get me bish.

 

Terrorists work in cells, catching some guy off the street isn't going to give you any real information.

"Go around admitting it" doesn't necessarily mean the streets.

 

And it's obvious you aren't serious.

 

Seriousness > Sarcasm

[OMGAKITTY]

I take it you don't think it is horrible? Have you ever been tortured before? If you have' date=' I bet you would not have liked it.

[/quote']

 

Fine. Let's say you were about to get bombed. But you can stop it by asking this terrorist, exactly, step by step. he won't answer. So, by the sound of what you're saying, you wouldn't do s*** and won't torture, to save lives of your people.

 

That's Ok though, you can blow up, I can save the innocent.

 

Okay, so you're this innocent muslim right? Stupid Republicans think you're a terrorist because of your religion and appearance and take you into a prison complex with little or no charges, right? Then they ask you random questions, okay? You don't know any of the answers, so they torture you by bringing you within an inch of your life and simulating the aspect of drowning and shocking you and you didn't even do anything to earn this hell on earth, okay?

 

That's okay though, you can torture people who won't talk will say whatever you want them to say regardless or don't know what you're talking about for sick kicks, but I'm going to be humane.

 

 

Dude, if you're just some Republican machine perfectly instructed to follow your parents' path just stay out of Debates.

 

If you have links to terrorists, or family members, then we can ask you a few questions. If you go around admitting it, we'll torture the s*** out of you. Get what I'm saying?

 

IMMA TERRORIST IMMA TERRORIST IMMA BLOW UP THE USA!!!

 

Come and get me bish.

 

Terrorists work in cells, catching some guy off the street isn't going to give you any real information.

"Go around admitting it" doesn't necessarily mean the streets.

 

And it's obvious you aren't serious.

 

Seriousness > Sarcasm

 

Oh that's right, we can invade people's privacy now and tap their phone lines and read their mail. Its not like any crazy dictators named Stalin did stuff like that too, no sir.

[Sparta™]

Obviously' date=' saying that I am planning a terroristic threat means the government can [i']obviously[/i] torture me even though they have no proof of a terroristic threat other than a single claim from a single person. Obviously.

 

If it was "ONE PERSON" we would interrogate. If it were "MULTIPLE PEOPLE" we would what do is so evil, waterboarding, or pouring a gallon of water in somebody's face. >_>

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So' date=' explain to me the real reason for going to war with Iraq. WoMD? No. We haven't found any WoMD in Iraq. But guess what? IRAQ HAS OIL.

[/quote']

 

Maybe because there were a bunch of pissed off muslims that murdered the lives of Americans? Ever think of that?

 

How does having multiple people = different techniques >_>

That make no sense.

because multiple witnesses > one witness

 

And waterboarding isn't that bad anyway.

[OMGAKITTY]

Obviously' date=' saying that I am planning a terroristic threat means the government can [i']obviously[/i] torture me even though they have no proof of a terroristic threat other than a single claim from a single person. Obviously.

 

If it was "ONE PERSON" we would interrogate. If it were "MULTIPLE PEOPLE" we would what do is so evil, waterboarding, or pouring a gallon of water in somebody's face. >_>

---

So' date=' explain to me the real reason for going to war with Iraq. WoMD? No. We haven't found any WoMD in Iraq. But guess what? IRAQ HAS OIL.

[/quote']

 

Maybe because there were a bunch of pissed off muslims that murdered the lives of Americans? Ever think of that?

 

How does having multiple people = different techniques >_>

That make no sense.

because multiple witnesses > one witness

 

And waterboarding isn't that bad anyway.

 

Why would that change the technique? Are you implying they don't try as hard to get information when there's only one guy?