Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 That's true' date=' without evolution, most of biology couldn't be explained, but again, it's not anyone's place to tell someone else what they should think or learn, he has a right to opt out, and there is nothing wrong with exercising that right.[/quote'] It's not like he has to full out believe creationism is wrong (even though it is). He just has to study it so he can pass the course. If I took a class on religion, I'd study it and get an easy A even if it's crap I don't believe in. Why isn't he in a Catholic School exactly? =/ And why did he take biology? Not sure. And he has to, as my school requires three years of science, and biology is the first course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk-Chan Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Yeah, I mean, I'm borderline Atheist. I prefer to call myself Muslim, but officially Agnostic.However, I go with the belief and stuff, even though I challenge it. Why? Because I have settled my end of the discussion, and going against it would only mean more discussion which means I get bored and they get frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 That's true' date=' without evolution, most of biology couldn't be explained, but again, it's not anyone's place to tell someone else what they should think or learn, he has a right to opt out, and there is nothing wrong with exercising that right.[/quote'] It's not like he has to full out believe creationism is wrong (even though it is). He just has to study it so he can pass the course. If I took a class on religion, I'd study it and get an easy A even if it's crap I don't believe in. That's you, and that is probably most people, but it's obviously not him.He will learn at some point in life that you oftentimes have to do things you don't believe, and that you won't like everything you do, but he hasn't learned it yet, and it's not that big of a deal for a High School student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 That's true' date=' without evolution, most of biology couldn't be explained, but again, it's not anyone's place to tell someone else what they should think or learn, he has a right to opt out, and there is nothing wrong with exercising that right.[/quote'] It's not like he has to full out believe creationism is wrong (even though it is). He just has to study it so he can pass the course. If I took a class on religion, I'd study it and get an easy A even if it's crap I don't believe in. That's you, and that is probably most people, but it's obviously not him.He will learn at some point in life that you oftentimes have to do things you don't believe, and that you won't like everything you do, but he hasn't learned it yet, and it's not that big of a deal for a High School student. But how is it fair to the other students as he gets to miss out on homework, quizzes and tests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 How is it fair to a baby that an adult gets to eat a steak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Make him take it. Eradicate ignorance and have him and his family accept the truth. He'll probably refuse to learn and fail. This is just hear-say' date=' but I heard [b']Catholic School Biology has a different curriculum than mainstream school where it doesn't involve evolution.[/b] I can disprove that; a major part of my freshman biology class at a very Catholic school was on evolution. It wasn't about whether to believe it or not, but looking at it on a purely scientific basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Make him take it. Eradicate ignorance and have him and his family accept the truth. He'll probably refuse to learn and fail. This is just hear-say' date=' but I heard [b']Catholic School Biology has a different curriculum than mainstream school where it doesn't involve evolution.[/b] I can disprove that; a major part of my freshman biology class at a very Catholic school was on evolution. It wasn't about whether to believe it or not, but looking at it on a purely scientific basis. It was probably hear-say, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 That is why this is America. You can say what ever' date=' or believe what ever you want. That is why people shouldn't make a big deal about asying God in school. People can speak their minds. They don't have to learn about what they don't believe in.[/quote'] i never said anything about freedom of speech. im talking about education which should be facts, not faith. And because our country well used to be so great, u can get taken out of class because of ur right to keep faith. i dont want to go to a "science class" and hear Jesus rows from the dead because that is not a fact, it is faith... Elvis didn't do no drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 As a technicality, I can be exempt from all of my math classes because my XYZ religion states that math does not exist and is simply a tool of God to distract humans from what is important. Assuming the teachers did not know I was atheist, I'd have the same reasons as this Christian kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator7 Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 That is extreme. I didn't mean to say to everyone what you think. But just don't take away that right from people. Most kids in my shcool don't even talk about faith and it isn't a huge issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 My example was to show the pure idiocy of this kid's reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator7 Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 I don't think the reasons were all that idiotic. His parents seemed like religion wackos. But he should get a proper education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 As a technicality' date=' I can be exempt from all of my math classes because my XYZ religion states that math does not exist and is simply a tool of God to distract humans from what is important. Assuming the teachers did not know I was atheist, I'd have the same reasons as this Christian kid.[/quote'] This logic has been used before, search Pastafarianism. You could technically do it, religion has to be honored by schools, but they can put some restrictions on it.Example:Friend's dad is a teacher, he said at his school there was a kid who was Sikh, and carried around a knife at school (which is part of Sikhism), the school couldn't mandate that it be removed, but they could require that the real knife be replaced with a rubber knife, which is what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Again, I'm not saying he has to believe in evolution. I don't think the teacher gives a damn. But it's needed material for the course. If he fails, he won't graduate, so I'd suck it up and actually learn the stuff. Even if I don't believe a word of it, I'd still pass the class. EDIT: @ frission: And if my religion says that all math is incorrect and was just created as a tool? And my religion says that to reach a state of purity you must not learn math? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 I already said, it's completely fine.They have a right to do it, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good life choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 I already said' date=' it's completely fine.They have a right to do it, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good life choice.[/quote'] Doesn't that seem illogical, irrational, and just plain stupid? Then again, it is religion. I shouldn't question it; I might go to hell. (I think.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Yes, it is definitely illogical, irrational, and stupid, but again, we can't legislate against stupidity unless it's directly hurting someone other than the person making the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator7 Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 LOL. Even though I am a Christian, your sarcasm is really D@mn funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Do they have to abide by what I ask of them (the math thing, for example), or can they kick me out of school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Because you are legally required to be in school, you cannot be removed unless you are harming someone, because not taking math doesn't harm anyone other than yourself, they have no grounds to expel you from the school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 And if I make a ridiculous claim saying I cannot learn inside a schoolroom without XYZ items (a bed, for example) because of my religion? They have to make specific accomidations for me, which is unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Why isn't he in a Catholic School exactly? =/ And why did he take biology? Not sure. And he has to' date=' as my school requires three years of science, and biology is the first course.[/quote'] If he doesn't have access to a Catholic School, he's within his rights to not have to be burdened by something offensive to his culture. It's not because he's just lazy, it's because your school system didn't take a major culture into consideration. They have to make specific accomidations for me' date=' which is unfair.[/quote'] I understand that it isn't fair, but so are many things in life. You're way better off than a vast majority of people, be thankful you don't live in Iraq or Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemniscate Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 And if I make a ridiculous claim saying I cannot learn inside a schoolroom without XYZ items (a bed' date=' for example) because of my religion? They have to make specific accomidations for me, which is unfair.[/quote'] Actually, in that case, you would have to provide the items yourself, they are not mandated to provide items for your religion, merely to accommodate your religious beliefs. You could make a case that providing the items is accommodating your religious beliefs, but it would never stand in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 And if I make a ridiculous claim saying I cannot learn inside a schoolroom without XYZ items (a bed' date=' for example) because of my religion? They have to make specific accomidations for me, which is unfair.[/quote'] Actually, in that case, you would have to provide the items yourself, they are not mandated to provide items for your religion, merely to accommodate your religious beliefs. You could make a case that providing the items is accommodating your religious beliefs, but it would never stand in court. So now let's assume I get the items, but my religion has had a change in power and all followers must sleep between 9 AM and 2 PM. Now what? This is obviously a hypothetical situation, but I am trying to get some answers out of curiosity and also bash religion. Not religion, but just talk about the stupidity of this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk-Chan Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Dark, you make an interesting point. I now wonder, would the school allow for that? Would they give this child some kind of separate opportunity to learn the same thing? Or what? Very thought-provoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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