andersbranderud Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I hope you will find this text interesting.According to science our universe (space-time) has a beginning (arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9403004).This paper is written by the cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of the Tufts university and Arvind Bonde.) It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause. Since space-time has a beginning there was a first physical occurrence. Causality requires that the first physical occurrence had a cause. Causality and the fact that space-time has a beginning implies that this Prime Cause is non-dimensional and independent of space-time. To conclude the above paragraphs:Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator).Ergo: There is no universe.Fact: There is a universe.Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.) Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind. It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Torah, see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Some of the text is a quote from netzarim.co.il) The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator. Anders Branderud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womi Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Debates? Nice story, bro. Got me thinking. But I still come to the result there is no creator. You used many brackets, kthxbai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Cool story bro, but not convinced. tl;dr version: everything has a cause - if there wasn't a cause for the universe, there's no universe, creator must be cause, creator doesn't need a cause (for no real reason) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womi Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 What if something else was the cause? Not a creator? This theory is flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Exactly, it assumes that there is only one possible cause without even considering others. Very flawed "proof". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Everybody knows the Norse Mythology is the correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Theories are theories no matter how logical they may seem. Denying the possibilty of a God existing is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzi Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 This topic is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG. Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 God is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womi Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 World is stoopidEvery theorie has people who believe in it. And although most don't believe in this one, it's still valuable and should be appreciated. I think this theory is stupid. It's just my opinion, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Exodia Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Great post for a first member, Good Job & a +rep.To the topic, nobody could say ANY of your theories are true. We will actually ever know until after we die. Our purpose is to grow on this Earth, & learn from it, but we may have overdid it. We will know which, or if there is nothing, proving both theories incorrect, theory is true. But for now, until we reach the Great Beyond in within 110 years, this thread is redundent. We shouldn't be asking this question, but it's a thing to study about.~From the philosipher's office, Demyx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Everybody knows the Norse Mythology is the correct one. Correct you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Everybody knows the Norse Mythology is the correct one. Correct you are. Skuldur made the best post in this thread.I agree strongly, even if I do quite like the old Greek stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasu Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=342831.0http://armorgames.com/community/thread/4595619/proof-for-an-intelligent-creator-and-his-purposehttp://www.cybermacro.com/forum/spirit-body-soul-forum/5611-proof-intelligent-creator-his-purpose.htmlhttp://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=5359962#post5359962http://www.prweforum.com/showthread.php?t=28867There are more -.- Also YCM is too dumb for religion related topics. kthxbai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 We have a thread for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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