BehindTheMask Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 If everything is made up of particles, and particles must follow all Chemical and Physical Laws...then how can their be free will? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkJTA1iQ3J0&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.GhostRyder Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Its just ours. Free will cannot be controled. Its automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 That is not true. That restricts us very little. It only prevents there form being an equality in all matter. The laws for physics have no impact on free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Since when has there been free will? Â Since some Christians believe God preplanned out all of our lives we never did have free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindscatter Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 We invented free will. It is abstract. Matter, on the other hand, is REAL. I see no connection.  But, if you're talking about randomness in taking decisions, every serious Physician will tell you that there ARE fully random and incomprehensible things. Live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Its just ours. Free will cannot be controled. Its automatic. But how can their be Free Will? What makes us have it? That is not true. That restricts us very little. It only prevents there form being an equality in all matter. The laws for physics have no impact on free will. It doesn't restrict us' date=' but the laws of Physics and Chemistry make free will impossible to happen. Since when has there been free will?  Since some Christians believe God preplanned out all of our lives we never did have free will. There has been the idea of free will.   Who actually watched the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.GhostRyder Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Since when has there been free will?  Since some Christians believe God preplanned out all of our lives we never did have free will. Speaking for fellow Christians we are all given Free Will. Other wise Jesus would of told us how our lifes end.Its just ours. Free will cannot be controled. Its automatic. But how can their be Free Will? What makes us have it? That is not true. That restricts us very little. It only prevents there form being an equality in all matter. The laws for physics have no impact on free will. It doesn't restrict us' date=' but the laws of Physics and Chemistry make free will impossible to happen. Since when has there been free will?  Since some Christians believe God preplanned out all of our lives we never did have free will. There has been the idea of free will.   Who actually watched the video? No sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Its just ours. Free will cannot be controled. Its automatic. But how can their be Free Will? What makes us have it? That is not true. That restricts us very little. It only prevents there form being an equality in all matter. The laws for physics have no impact on free will. It doesn't restrict us' date=' but the laws of Physics and Chemistry make free will impossible to happen. Since when has there been free will?  Since some Christians believe God preplanned out all of our lives we never did have free will. There has been the idea of free will.   Who actually watched the video? Not I. But I am taking Psychology and know alot about philosophy. Free will is given us by god. I don't feel ike quoting scripture though, I'm too lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Not I. But I am taking Psychology and know alot about philosophy. Free will is given us by god. I don't feel ike quoting scripture though, I'm too lazy. I could counter this in a debate, which is where I'll move this topic in a second, but keep religion out of this as much as possible. We have a thread for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 [Its just ours. Free will cannot be controled. Its automatic. But how can their be Free Will? What makes us have it? Its just ours. Free will cannot be controled. Its automatic. But how can their be Free Will? What makes us have it? That is not true. That restricts us very little. It only prevents there form being an equality in all matter. The laws for physics have no impact on free will. It doesn't restrict us' date=' but the laws of Physics and Chemistry make free will impossible to happen. Since when has there been free will?  Since some Christians believe God preplanned out all of our lives we never did have free will. There has been the idea of free will.   Who actually watched the video? Not I. But I am taking Psychology and know alot about philosophy. Free will is given us by god. I don't feel ike quoting scripture though, I'm too lazy. Okay, but that doesn't help your argument.      Let me rephrase my question:  Since there are Chemical and Physical Laws, and everything is governed by this, including our bodies...then how can their be free will? Is it a question without an answer? Is it just an illusion...or is their actually free will? If there is free will, what makes it free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Chemical laws don't actually affect our minds, because our actions aresupported by the laws, not restricted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntar! Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 It affects us physically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 It affects us physically. And not mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 It affects us physically. And not mentally. Our minds are run my chemicals, derp. You can't prove free will. Honestly, all our actions could be based on past events, rewards/punishments/our environment/etc etc etc. No proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Then why am I typing this? Past experiences would show that I am not typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Then why am I typing this? Past experiences would show that I am not typing. Really? In the past' date=' you have [i']never[/i] typed anything before? Gosh, you sure proved me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I've typed, but never about me typing. And if we didn't have free will then how would the slaves been freed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 -_________-You best be trollin. Enslavement =/= concept of free will. Even when enslaved, a slave can technically have "free will" (he does not have to do what the master says, if he is willing to face the consequence for it). You read my statement, and it evoked some sort of chemical response in your mind, which caused you to hit the reply button and type a reply, because past experience has taught you that's how you can communicate with someone on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 If that were true then why do subliminal messages work less than 100% of the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 If that were true then why do subliminal messages work less than 100% of the time? Source this. Last time I checked, they do work, but limitedly and for a very short amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 They don't work on me. Maybe since I am the Anti-Anti-Christ I am above Science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 They don't work on me. Maybe since I am the Anti-Anti-Christ I am above Science. And how do you know they don't work on you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Because it is my mind that they are trying to funk with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGAKITTY Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 In other words, you have no proof, you're just spouting bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaterasu Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 No. Actually if you were being mind funked would you know it? Because I sure know when I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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