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[Amethyst Phoenix]

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'Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ.' The atheist

professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his

new students to stand.

 

 

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

 

 

'Yes sir,' the student says.

 

 

'So you believe in God?'

 

 

 

'Absolutely.'

 

 

'Is God good?'

 

 

'Sure! God's good.'

 

 

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

 

 

'Yes.'

 

 

'Are you good or evil?'

 

 

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

 

 

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a

moment.

 

 

'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you

can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

 

 

'Yes sir, I would.'

 

 

'So you're good...!'

 

 

'I wouldn't say that.'

 

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if

you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

 

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He

doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even

though he prayed to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can

you answer that one?'

 

The student remains silent.

 

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of

water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

 

'Let's start again, young fella Is God good?'

 

'Er.yes,' the student says.

 

'Is Satan good?'

 

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

 

'Then where does Satan come from?'

 

The student : 'From...God...'

 

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there

evil in this world?'

 

'Yes, sir.'

 

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything,

correct?'

 

'Yes.'

 

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created

everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to

the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

 

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues:

'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible

things, do they exist in this world?'

 

The student: 'Yes.'

 

'So who created them?'

 

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his

question. 'Who created them? There is still no answer. Suddenly the

lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is

mesmerized.

 

'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in

Jesus Christ, son?'

 

The student's voice is confident: 'Yes, professor, I do.'

 

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you

use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen

Jesus?'

 

'No sir. I've never seen Him'

 

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

 

'No, sir, I have not.'

 

'Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or

smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus

Christ, or God for that matter?'

 

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

 

'Yet you still believe in him?'

 

'Yes.'

 

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable

protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,

son?'

 

'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'

 

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem

science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

 

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a

question of his own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

 

'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'

 

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

 

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

 

'No sir, there isn't.'

 

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.

The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

 

'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat,

mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we

don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below

zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is

no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the

lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when

it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have

or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat.

You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of

heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units

because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the

absence of it.'

 

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,

sounding like a hammer.

 

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as

darkness?'

 

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night

if it isn't darkness?'

 

'You're wrong again, sir.. Darkness is not something; it is the

absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright

light,

flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have

nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to

define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be

able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

 

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him.

This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

 

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is

flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

 

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time.

'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

 

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student

explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good

God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something

finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a

thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much

less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life

is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive

thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'

 

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they

evolved from a monkey?'

 

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young

man, yes, of course I do'

 

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

 

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he

realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

 

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work

and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you

not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a

preacher?'

 

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the

commotion has subsided.

 

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other

student, let me give you an example of what I mean.'

 

The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class

who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into

laughter.

 

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain,

felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No

one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of

empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no

brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain,

how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

 

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the

student, his face unreadable.

 

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I

guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

 

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists

with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as

evil?'

 

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We

see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.

It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.

These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

 

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at

least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.

It is just

like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe

the absence of God.

 

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when

man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold

that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there

is no light.'

 

The professor sat down.

 

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inb4coolstorybro

[Lemniscate]

I've read this before.

The student was Albert Einstein.

He makes a good arguement.

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[Muluck]

I have to admit, I am rather surprised. I came into this thread thinking it would just be another atempt at wise cracking god. I know this story has been spread around, but Amethyst I thank you for bringing this to my attention.

 

I've been looking for this for a while now. =D

[OMGAKITTY]

Cool copy pasta. Enjoyed it.

 

inb4lolreligionthread

 

inb4lock

[Polycarp]

=) I really enjoyed this a lot. I'm glad you posted it. It was a great story, all up until the end =/ That absolutely ruined his argument T_T

[Guest Welche]

I liek this.

 

inb4anybodycouldsay"religionthread"

[Muluck]

 

inb4lolreligionthread

 

 

I liek this.

 

inb4anybodycouldsay"religionthread"

[六兆年と一夜物語]

Best.

 

Story.

 

Ever.

[Blamonchesix]

Nice copy paste.

 

This is kinda longer than what I saw before.

 

Einstein FTW. (^_^)

[Pikachu]

Legendary.

 

Even I wouldn't come up with such good ideas.

[Tabris]

I've read this before.

The student was Albert Einstein.

He makes a good arguement.

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Einstein? But wait, I thought Einstein was a pantheist!

 

But wait, Amethyst: where did you get this?

[Archelaus]

Wow.

 

Loved the argument.

[Tabris]

But hell, I wanna say somethin':

 

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

 

But we have the entire fossil record to make up for that!

 

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.

 

Wait - so I've done yer God a great wrong simply because I chose to abstain from voting over who amongst the ocean of dogs is the real one?

[JG.]

As soon as I got to "Is there cold?" part, I stopped reading, because I've heard it before. It was Einstein, although it's not true this story, because Einstein was terrible in school.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

Why does everyone think this is einstein?

 

This is a story someone forwarded to me, and to my knowledge, Einstein didn't believe in anything.

 

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

 

"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist."

 

2 quotes from him.

 

 

 

It matters not who wrote this, the ideas are still the same and just as valid.

 

 

To be swayed more by the name of the author and less by the ideas presented, is silly.

[Dark]

Cool copypasta. It's very delicious, but needs more sauce.

 

the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish

 

Agreed. Best fantasy book I've ever partly read. If it wasn't about religion, I'd be reading that every day of my life. Until I finished it, then I'd wait for the sequel.

 

lolreligion

 

i dun beleaf in gods, dose dat meen i go to hell? y is happy n nic god guna send me 2 hel. he is liek all powadful so he cn liek do stuf to maek me beleaf w/o takn awy mah fre wil u noe he cud show hisself but i dunno cuz liek d00d he dun do itt so liek wtf man

[Dad]

Best story ever.

[Cyndaquil]

Evil is meerly an absence of good not the absence of a fictional character created in the ancient years futhermore there is more solid fact on evolution then on the bible as we now can more or less see it happen from fossils and traits that reside within animals.

[Prince Poison]

I wanna have smex with the professor's brain =D

[Cyndaquil]

:D

Way to troll (:

[Dark]

Evil is meerly an absence of good not the absence of a fictional character created in the ancient years futhermore there is more solid fact on evolution then on the bible as we now can more or less see it happen from fossils and traits that reside within animals.

 

d00d u forgotz cuz liek da holy book liken da bibl n da qurn say dat god is good cuz like god is da sam as good cept good has xtra o duh

[Light]

Wait, when the kid said: Does anybody believe the professor has a brain? Then, couldn't the professor reply that if he didn't have a brain he would die? Stupid professor on my point of view.

[Dark]

Wait' date=' when the kid said: Does anybody believe the professor has a brain? Then, couldn't the professor reply that if he didn't have a brain he would die? Stupid professor on my point of view.

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Or you could always cut open his head, or do some advanced medical scan.

 

That was a pretty stupid remark on the KIDS part, but the professor was a moron as well for not retorting against that. D:

[Cyndaquil]

Evil is meerly an absence of good not the absence of a fictional character created in the ancient years futhermore there is more solid fact on evolution then on the bible as we now can more or less see it happen from fossils and traits that reside within animals.

 

d00d u forgotz cuz liek da holy book liken da bibl n da qurn say dat god is good cuz like god is da sam as good cept good has xtra o duh

d00d I'm s0 soreh 1iek I whil not make da mistakez liek dat agen

[Dark]

Evil is meerly an absence of good not the absence of a fictional character created in the ancient years futhermore there is more solid fact on evolution then on the bible as we now can more or less see it happen from fossils and traits that reside within animals.

 

d00d u forgotz cuz liek da holy book liken da bibl n da qurn say dat god is good cuz like god is da sam as good cept good has xtra o duh

d00d I'm s0 soreh 1iek I whil not make da mistakez liek dat agen

 

yah u btr not cuz if u do den da big nice n happy n forgivn god will hell u n i herd from da bibl dat hel not a good place cuz its bad so u dun wanna go to hel D: