I lol'd at the irony.

[-SacredPhoenixofNephthys-]

and why not just say shit???

 

Word filter' date=' I don't think he could be asked to fix it. I said 'bullshit' in the first post but Dj edited it out. =P

[/quote']

 

wow

can they rly edit someone elses post?!?!

[Brushfire]

And my point about obligation in current law' date=' I know, isn't true. But I'm not talking technically or legally, I'm talking theoretically. I'm saying it's a human obligation to help other humans in need - or at least should be. And yes their government is terribly run, but this is mainly because of modernised, western capitalist countries, namely America.

[/quote']

 

Yeah, America is so terrible for donating all that money to Africa that they spent on weapons. So terrible.

 

Wow, you can use sarcasm, you're so intelligent. [/hypocrisy]

 

America is terrible for colonising Africa, with many other countries.

 

Because I was totally talking about how me using made me intelligent, wasn't I? [/youranidiot]

 

America attempted to make up for it and donated a lot of money, it's not their fault that the African government are too much of money-obsessed retards to use it properly. Would you prefer that they go to war with them and take over Africa instead?

[Ezio]

And my point about obligation in current law' date=' I know, isn't true. But I'm not talking technically or legally, I'm talking theoretically. I'm saying it's a human obligation to help other humans in need - or at least should be. And yes their government is terribly run, but this is mainly because of modernised, western capitalist countries, namely America.

[/quote']

 

Yeah, America is so terrible for donating all that money to Africa that they spent on weapons. So terrible.

 

Wow, you can use sarcasm, you're so intelligent. [/hypocrisy]

 

America is terrible for colonising Africa, with many other countries.

 

Because I was totally talking about how me using made me intelligent, wasn't I? [/youranidiot]

 

America attempted to make up for it and donated a lot of money, it's not their fault that the African government are too much of money-obsessed retards to use it properly. Would you prefer that they go to war with them and take over Africa instead?

 

You mean, "you're", right? Because saying "your an idiot" is kind of contradictory.

 

You know before Africa was colonised it was a great nation(s) thriving with riches, cultures arts etc.

[Brushfire]

And my point about obligation in current law' date=' I know, isn't true. But I'm not talking technically or legally, I'm talking theoretically. I'm saying it's a human obligation to help other humans in need - or at least should be. And yes their government is terribly run, but this is mainly because of modernised, western capitalist countries, namely America.

[/quote']

 

Yeah, America is so terrible for donating all that money to Africa that they spent on weapons. So terrible.

 

Wow, you can use sarcasm, you're so intelligent. [/hypocrisy]

 

America is terrible for colonising Africa, with many other countries.

 

Because I was totally talking about how me using made me intelligent, wasn't I? [/youranidiot]

 

America attempted to make up for it and donated a lot of money, it's not their fault that the African government are too much of money-obsessed retards to use it properly. Would you prefer that they go to war with them and take over Africa instead?

 

You mean, "you're", right? Because saying "your an idiot" is kind of contradictory.

 

You know before Africa was colonised it was a great nation(s) thriving with riches, cultures arts etc.

 

Spelling nor grammar makes one intelligent, so take your bullshit somewhere else please.

 

Read what I said before. I won't condone American's dumbass actions, but they tried to make up for it afterwards (like you suggested, in fact) but Africa's government is retarded.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

Amethyst Phoenix you have no heart and no social conscience. How cna you think that starving people with no money for food or education and no opportunity for a job are screw ups.

 

Because a good number of them owe the state of poverty and hunger they're in to terrible choices they made prior.

 

If you're a retarded patriotic Americans who believes in making America a great nation then go and f*** yourself.

 

I'm only one person' date=' not a plural, so by default I don't qualify. And God forbid I want to make my nation great. That's wrong, but making other nations good isn't? You're a prejudiced hypocrite. [/i']

 

Seriously, drop that crap and think of it as we are all human and we all inhabit earth, therefore all humans are obliged to help other humans in need.

 

Imagine you're a farmer, right? All the other farmers are lazy, but you work hard and produce a sizable harvest. The king orders you to provide for the other farmers, because they don't provide for themselves. It's not fair to you, and it is a corruption of justice.

 

Also, I am in dire need of a Dr Pepper. You have failed to provide me with this beverage, therefore, by your own logic, you are a hypocrite.

 

 

And don't even think of retorting with "Well, a perfect society wouldn't need a king; we'd all be equal". A society where everyone is equal (this is essentially "true communism") is impossible to enforce without having someone in a position of power. This then breaches the fundamentals of it, making communism an impossible goal to achieve.

 

Even if by some celestial occurrence, we were to truly achieve communism, individual achievements would downplayed, and excelling would be discouraged. Thus, we would have inferior citizens and we would never progress as a society.

 

This is why communism, socialism, whatever you want to call it, fails: It is impossible to achieve, and even if you were to achieve it, it would be a very lackluster world.

 

You're basically saying you wont support Children in Need who are in a different state to you.

 

I thought you said America is evil if Americans work to make it great? Oh, you meant country, not state, didn't you?

 

Before we even think about being unnecessarily charitable, we need to fix our own country.

 

Except for the fact that America is all rich.

 

L-O-funking-L.

 

Take your misconceptions and idiot stereotypes and gtfo of my internet.

 

 

 

Anyway my point stands, nationalism and patriotism and things of the past and will lead to racism, discrimination and fascism.

 

 

Your point stands on naught but a crutch of foolishness and idiocy.

 

Nationalism and Patriotism are having pride in and loving your country/race. By this logic, black history month, Asian-American clubs, etc all foster racism. FAIL.

 

Discrimination, from a nonprejudicial standpoint, is a good thing. It means to see a difference. Treating everyone as if they have equal skills and capabilities is paving the road to failure.

 

From the definition you assumed discrimination had, I fail to see the validity of your logic: "You're proud of being white so that means you hate blacks, you're proud of being American so you hate England, you're proud of being Asian so you hate whites, etc"?

 

Pfft, so pride and love = evil?

 

Go crawl back under your rock.

 

 

I laughed. I seriously did.

 

Pathetic.

 

 

EDIT: Also, the only colony we ever made in Africa was Liberia, which was a benevolent attempt to return the blacks we captured in Africa back to their home.

 

Oh, and Africa was a bunch of warring tribes that took land by conquest and enslaved their foes. Thriving enlightened culture my ass.

[Ezio]

I've never actually disputed the poor governing of Africa. I just think now that twat Bush is gone and Obama, someone with a good strong Left Wing social conscience is in power of the most powerful nation on Earth I think he will be far better in his attempts to help make Africa a better place for the sufferers of famine and poverty.

 

Also I can't help but point out there is a strong relationship between intellect and spelling and grammar.

[Brushfire]

[spoiler=Pwned]

Amethyst Phoenix you have no heart and no social conscience. How cna you think that starving people with no money for food or education and no opportunity for a job are screw ups.

 

Because a good number of them owe the state of poverty and hunger they're in to terrible choices they made prior.

 

If you're a retarded patriotic Americans who believes in making America a great nation then go and f*** yourself.

 

I'm only one person' date=' not a plural, so by default I don't qualify. And God forbid I want to make my nation great. That's wrong, but making other nations good isn't? You're a prejudiced hypocrite. [/i']

 

Seriously, drop that crap and think of it as we are all human and we all inhabit earth, therefore all humans are obliged to help other humans in need.

 

Imagine you're a farmer, right? All the other farmers are lazy, but you work hard and produce a sizable harvest. The king orders you to provide for the other farmers, because they don't provide for themselves. It's not fair to you, and it is a corruption of justice.

 

Also, I am in dire need of a Dr Pepper. You have failed to provide me with this beverage, therefore, by your own logic, you are a hypocrite.

 

 

And don't even think of retorting with "Well, a perfect society wouldn't need a king; we'd all be equal". A society where everyone is equal (this is essentially "true communism") is impossible to enforce without having someone in a position of power. This then breaches the fundamentals of it, making communism an impossible goal to achieve.

 

Even if by some celestial occurrence, we were to truly achieve communism, individual achievements would downplayed, and excelling would be discouraged. Thus, we would have inferior citizens and we would never progress as a society.

 

This is why communism, socialism, whatever you want to call it, fails: It is impossible to achieve, and even if you were to achieve it, it would be a very lackluster world.

 

You're basically saying you wont support Children in Need who are in a different state to you.

 

I thought you said America is evil if Americans work to make it great? Oh, you meant country, not state, didn't you?

 

Before we even think about being unnecessarily charitable, we need to fix our own country.

 

Except for the fact that America is all rich.

 

L-O-f***ing-L.

 

Take your misconceptions and idiot stereotypes and gtfo of my internet.

 

 

 

Anyway my point stands, nationalism and patriotism and things of the past and will lead to racism, discrimination and fascism.

 

 

Your point stands on naught but a crutch of foolishness and idiocy.

 

Nationalism and Patriotism are having pride in and loving your country/race. By this logic, black history month, Asian-American clubs, etc all foster racism. FAIL.

 

Discrimination, from a nonprejudicial standpoint, is a good thing. It means to see a difference. Treating everyone as if they have equal skills and capabilities is paving the road to failure.

 

From the definition you assumed discrimination had, I fail to see the validity of your logic: "You're proud of being white so that means you hate blacks, you're proud of being American so you hate England, you're proud of being Asian so you hate whites, etc"?

 

Pfft, so pride and love = evil?

 

Go crawl back under your rock.

 

 

I laughed. I seriously did.

 

Pathetic.

 

 

I love you.

 

Also I can't help but point out there is a strong relationship between intellect and spelling and grammar.

 

Yes, but in this case, there isn't. So shut the funk up.

[Ezio]

Amethyst Phoenix you have no heart and no social conscience. How cna you think that starving people with no money for food or education and no opportunity for a job are screw ups.

 

Because a good number of them owe the state of poverty and hunger they're in to terrible choices they made prior.

 

If you're a retarded patriotic Americans who believes in making America a great nation then go and f*** yourself.

 

I'm only one person' date=' not a plural, so by default I don't qualify. And God forbid I want to make my nation great. That's wrong, but making other nations good isn't? You're a prejudiced hypocrite. [/i']

 

Seriously, drop that crap and think of it as we are all human and we all inhabit earth, therefore all humans are obliged to help other humans in need.

 

Imagine you're a farmer, right? All the other farmers are lazy, but you work hard and produce a sizable harvest. The king orders you to provide for the other farmers, because they don't provide for themselves. It's not fair to you, and it is a corruption of justice.

 

Also, I am in dire need of a Dr Pepper. You have failed to provide me with this beverage, therefore, by your own logic, you are a hypocrite.

 

 

And don't even think of retorting with "Well, a perfect society wouldn't need a king; we'd all be equal". A society where everyone is equal (this is essentially "true communism") is impossible to enforce without having someone in a position of power. This then breaches the fundamentals of it, making communism an impossible goal to achieve.

 

Even if by some celestial occurrence, we were to truly achieve communism, individual achievements would downplayed, and excelling would be discouraged. Thus, we would have inferior citizens and we would never progress as a society.

 

This is why communism, socialism, whatever you want to call it, fails: It is impossible to achieve, and even if you were to achieve it, it would be a very lackluster world.

 

You're basically saying you wont support Children in Need who are in a different state to you.

 

I thought you said America is evil if Americans work to make it great? Oh, you meant country, not state, didn't you?

 

Before we even think about being unnecessarily charitable, we need to fix our own country.

 

Except for the fact that America is all rich.

 

L-O-f***ing-L.

 

Take your misconceptions and idiot stereotypes and gtfo of my internet.

 

 

 

Anyway my point stands, nationalism and patriotism and things of the past and will lead to racism, discrimination and fascism.

 

 

Your point stands on naught but a crutch of foolishness and idiocy.

 

Nationalism and Patriotism are having pride in and loving your country/race. By this logic, black history month, Asian-American clubs, etc all foster racism. FAIL.

 

Discrimination, from a nonprejudicial standpoint, is a good thing. It means to see a difference. Treating everyone as if they have equal skills and capabilities is paving the road to failure.

 

From the definition you assumed discrimination had, I fail to see the validity of your logic: "You're proud of being white so that means you hate blacks, you're proud of being American so you hate England, you're proud of being Asian so you hate whites, etc"?

 

Pfft, so pride and love = evil?

 

Go crawl back under your rock.

 

 

I laughed. I seriously did.

 

Pathetic.

 

 

EDIT: Also, the only colony we ever made in Africa was Liberia, which was a benevolent attempt to return the blacks we captured in Africa back to their home.

 

Oh, and Africa was a bunch of warring tribes that took land by conquest and enslaved their foes. Thriving enlightened culture my ass.

 

You're twisting my words, and that's how people like you think you've won an argument.

 

No, love and pride =/= evil.

 

Patriotism is different.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

I've never actually disputed the poor governing of Africa. I just think now that twat Bush is gone and Obama' date=' someone with a [b']good strong Left Wing social conscience[/b] is in power of the most powerful nation on Earth I think he will be far better in his attempts to help make Africa a better place for the sufferers of famine and poverty.

 

Also I can't help but point out there is a strong relationship between intellect and spelling and grammar.

 

That statement just explained everything.

 

 

Like....everything.

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

 

You're twisting my words' date=' and that's how people like you think you've won an argument.

 

No, love and pride =/= evil.

 

Patriotism is different.

[/quote']

 

Lol, I'm twisting nothing. That's more of a left wing strategy...

 

 

Patriotism is different eh?

 

[spoiler=O RLY?]

 

 

Patriotism is love of and/or devotion to one's country. The word comes from the Greek patris, meaning fatherland.[1] However, patriotism has had different meanings over time, and its meaning is highly dependent upon context, geography and philosophy.

 

Although patriotism is used in certain vernaculars as a synonym for nationalism, nationalism is not necessarily considered an inherent part of patriotism.[2][3] Among the ancient Greeks, patriotism consisted of notions concerning language, religious traditions, ethics, law and devotion to the common good, rather than pure identification with a nation-state.[4][5] Scholar J. Peter Euben writes that for the Greek philosopher Socrates, "patriotism does not require one to agree with everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."[6]

 

In the Hindu epic Ramayana, Lord Rama tells Lakshmana Janani Janma Bhoomischa Swargadapi Gariyasi (Mother and Motherland are greater than heaven), which greatly lays the foundation for consciousness of patriotism for Hindus.[7]

A country's leader may be used as a strong symbol of patriotism, for example, Barack Obama in American culture, or Winston Churchill in the United Kingdom.

 

During the 18th century Age of Enlightenment, the notion of patriotism continued to be separate from the notion of nationalism. Instead, patriotism was defined as devotion to humanity and beneficence.[2] For example, providing charity, criticizing slavery, and denouncing excessive penal laws were all considered patriotic.[2] In both ancient and modern visions of patriotism, individual responsibility to fellow citizens is an inherent component of patriotism.

 

Many contemporary notions of patriotism are influenced by 19th century ideas about nationalism. During the 19th century, "being patriotic" became increasingly conflated with nationalism, and even jingoism.[2] However, some notions of contemporary patriotism reject nationalism in favor of a more classic version of the idea of patriotism which includes social responsibility.[8]

Contents

[hide]

 

* 1 Philosophical issues of patriotism

o 1.1 Patriotism for other countries

o 1.2 Patriotism by country

* 2 See also

* 3 References

* 4 Sources and further reading

 

[edit] Philosophical issues of patriotism

As this modern patriotic poster suggests patriotism is often closely associated with other perceived national mores, in this case freedom.

 

Contemporary scholar of ethics, Paul Gomberg, has compared patriotism to racism. He argues that the primary implication of patriotism in ethical theory is that a person has more moral duties to fellow members of the national community, than to non-members. Patriotism is therefore selective in its altruism.[9] Gomberg notes the view (in ethics) that moral duties apply equally to all humans is known as cosmopolitanism.

 

Patriotism is strengthened by adherence to a native religion, particularly because such a community usually has its holy places inside its motherland. This is evident in cases of countries like India[citation needed] and Israel.

 

Patriotism implies a value preference for a specific civic or political community. Universalist beliefs reject such specific preferences, in favor of an alternative, wider, community. In the European Union, thinkers such as Habermas, however, have advocated a European-wide patriotism, but patriotism in Europe is usually directed at the nation-state and often coincides with Euroscepticism.

 

Some religious believers place their religion above their 'fatherland', often resulting in suspicion and hostility from patriots. Two examples of groups that have experienced this suspicion in the United States are Roman Catholics and Muslims. In the United States and the United Kingdom, Roman Catholics were seen as owing loyalty to the Vatican rather than the nation. Muslims are sometimes seen as owing loyalty to the Islamic community (Ummah) rather than to the nation. Other groups find a conflict between certain patriotic acts and religious beliefs. Jehovah's Witnesses and Mennonites may choose to refuse to engage in certain patriotic acts or to display certain symbols.

 

Supporters of patriotism in ethics regard it as a virtue. In his influential article "Is patriotism a virtue?" (1984), the philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre notes that most contemporary conceptions of morality insist on a blindness to accidental traits like local origin and therefore reject patriotic selectivity. MacIntyre constructs an alternative conception of morality, that he claims would be compatible with patriotism. Charles Blattberg, in his book From Pluralist to Patriotic Politics (2000), has developed a similar conception of patriotism.

 

A problem with treating patriotism as an objective virtue is that patriotisms often conflict. Soldiers of both sides in a war may feel equally patriotic, creating an ethical paradox.

 

Within nations, politicians may appeal to patriotic emotions in attacking their opponents, implicitly or explicitly accusing them of betraying the country. Minorities may reject a patriotic loyalty and pride, which the majority finds unproblematic. They may feel excluded from the political community, and see no reason to be proud of it. The Australian political conflict about the Black armband view of history is an example. Conservative Prime Minister John Howard, who would undoubtedly describe himself as an Australian patriot, said of it in 1996:

 

The 'black armband' view of our history reflects a belief that most Australian history since 1788 has been little more than a disgraceful story of imperialism, exploitation, racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination.

 

In the United States, patriotic history has been criticised for de-emphasising the post-Colombian depopulation, the Atlantic slave trade, the population expulsions and the wars of conquest against Native Americans.

 

Patriotism is often portrayed as a more positive alternative to nationalism, which sometimes carries negative connotations. Some authors such as Morris Janowitz, Daniel Bar-Tal, or L. Snyder argue that patriotism is distinguished from nationalism by its lack of aggression or hatred for others, its defensiveness, and positive community building. Others, such as Michael Billig or Jean Bethke Elshtain argue that the difference is difficult to discern, and relies largely on the attitude of the labeller.[10]

[edit] Patriotism for other countries

 

There are historical examples of individuals who fought for other countries, sometimes for their independence - for example the Marquis de Lafayette, Tadeusz Kościuszko and Kazimierz Pułaski in the American Revolutionary War, and the "Philhellenes," western Europeans who fought in the Greek War of Independence, notably Lord Byron. Was Lafayette an American patriot, or the Philhellenes Greek patriots? Alasdair MacIntyre would claim that they were not; that these and similar cases are instances of idealism, but not of patriotism. Under this view, Lafayette was only devoted to the ideals of political liberty that underlay the American Revolution, but was not specifically patriotic for America. For MacIntyre, patriotism by definition can only be a preference for one's own country, not a preference for the ideals that a country is believed to stand for. Charles Blattberg's conception of patriotism, however, is more nuanced: to him, a patriot can be critical of his or her country for failing to live up to its ideals.

[edit] Patriotism by country

 

Several surveys have tried to measure patriotism for various reasons. The Correlates of War project found some correlation between War propensity and patriotism.

 

The results from different studies are time dependent. Patriotism in Germany before WWI ranks at or near the top, whereas today it ranks at or near the bottom of surveys.

 

The Patriotism Score table below is from the World Values Survey and refers to the average answer for high income residents of a country to the question: "Are you proud to be [insert nationality]?" It ranges from 1 (not proud) to 4 (very proud).[11]

 

First Survey: 1990-1992

Country ↓ Score ↓

USA 3.74

Ireland 3.73

India 3.67

South Africa 3.55

Canada 3.53

Spain 3.46

Denmark 3.27

Italy 3.25

Sweden 3.22

France 3.18

Finland 3.17

Belgium 3.07

Netherlands 2.93

Germany 2.75

Average 3.26

 

Second Survey: 1995-1997

Country ↓ Score ↓

India 3.92

Venezuela 3.73

South Africa 3.72

USA 3.70

Peru 3.68

Slovenia 3.64

Poland 3.55

Australia 3.54

Spain 3.38

Argentina 3.29

Sweden 3.13

Moldova 2.98

Japan 2.85

Russia 2.69

Switzerland 2.59

Lithuania 2.47

Latvia 2.10

Germany 1.37

Average 3.12

[edit] See also

 

This entry is related to, but not included in the Political ideologies series or one of its sub-series. Other related articles can be found at the Politics Portal.

 

* Nation

* Nationalism

* National flag

* National symbol

* Social Patriotism

* Chauvinism

* Jingoism

* Politics

* Communitarianism

* Cultural identity

 

Contrast:

 

* Identity politics

* Anti-patriotism

* Patriot hacking

 

[edit] References

 

1. ^ "Online Etymology Dictionary", retrieved 2009-08-19

2. ^ a b c d Historical Dictionary of the Enlightenment By Harvey Chisick

3. ^ "Nationalism" Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

4. ^ Greek Popular Morality in the Time of Plato and Aristotle By Kenneth James Dover

5. ^ Five Stages of Greek Religion by Gilbert Murray

6. ^ "Critical Patriotism" by J. Peter Euben

7. ^ http://sssbalvikas.org/glory3.htm

8. ^ Patriotism's Secret History by Peter Dreier & Dick Flacks in the magazine The Nation

9. ^ Paul Gomberg, “Patriotism is Like Racism,” in Igor Primoratz, ed., Patriotism, Humanity Books, 2002, pp. 105-112. ISBN 1-57392-955-7.

10. ^ Billig, Michael. Banal Nationalism. London: Sage Publishers, 1995, p. 56-58.

11. ^ Patriotism in Your Portfolio http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=406200

 

[edit] Sources and further reading

Search Wikiquote Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to: Patriotism

Search Wikimedia Commons Wikimedia Commons has media related to: Patriotism

 

* Alasdair MacIntyre, 'Is Patriotism a Virtue?', in: R. Beiner (ed.), Theorizing Citizenship, 1995, State University of New York Press, pp. 209 - 228.

* Joshua Cohen and Martha C. Nussbaum, For Love of Country: Debating the Limited of Patriotism, Beacon Press, 1996. ISBN 0-8070-4313-3.

* Jürgen Habermas, “Appendix II: Citizenship and National Identity,” in Between Facts and Norms: Contributions to a Discourse Theory of Law and Democracy, trans. William Rehg, MIT Press, 1996.

* Maurizio Viroli, For Love of Country: An Essay on Patriotism and Nationalism, Oxford University Press, 1997. ISBN 0-19-829358-5.

* Daniel Bar-Tal and Ervin Staub, Patriotism, Wadsworth Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-8304-1410-X.

* Charles Blattberg, From Pluralist to Patriotic Politics: Putting Practice First, Oxford University Press, 2000. ISBN 0-19-829688-6.

* Igor Primoratz, ed., Patriotism, Humanity Books, 2002. ISBN 1-57392-955-7.

* Paul Gomberg, “Patriotism is Like Racism,” in Igor Primoratz, ed., Patriotism, Humanity Books, 2002, pp. 105-112. ISBN 1-57392-955-7.

* Craig Calhoun, Is it Time to Be Postnational?, in Ethnicity, Nationalism, and Minority Rights, (eds.) Stephen May, Tariq Modood and Judith Squires. Cambridge: Cambridge UP, 2004. pp 231–256. Online at www.ssrc.org.

* George Orwell, “Notes on Nationalism,” in England Your England and Other Essays, Secker and Warburg, 1953.

* American Patriot Party on defined patriotism.

 

 

 

[Ezio]

I've never actually disputed the poor governing of Africa. I just think now that twat Bush is gone and Obama' date=' someone with a [b']good strong Left Wing social conscience[/b] is in power of the most powerful nation on Earth I think he will be far better in his attempts to help make Africa a better place for the sufferers of famine and poverty.

 

Also I can't help but point out there is a strong relationship between intellect and spelling and grammar.

 

That statement just explained everything.

 

 

Like....everything.

 

Heh... I guess that was a bad thing to say. But IDC, I'm not communist or socialist. I am left wing, however.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

I've never actually disputed the poor governing of Africa. I just think now that twat Bush is gone and Obama' date=' someone with a [b']good strong Left Wing social conscience[/b] is in power of the most powerful nation on Earth I think he will be far better in his attempts to help make Africa a better place for the sufferers of famine and poverty.

 

Also I can't help but point out there is a strong relationship between intellect and spelling and grammar.

 

That statement just explained everything.

 

 

Like....everything.

 

Heh... I guess that was a bad thing to say. But IDC, I'm not communist or socialist. I am left wing, however.

 

I edited my post with responses to other comments I didn't notice at the time.

 

Left-wing views are often heavily leaned toward socialism.

 

Please take the time to understand a view before you uphold it.

[Infinitus]

When it comes to helping other countries, we should do that, but not before fixing our own problems.

 

"Do not help take the spec out of your brother's eye when you cannot see the log in your own."

 

I understand helping others is for good intentions, but I'm afraid you can't do that if you can't help yourself. It's the blind leading the blind. Both will fall in a ditch. One bigger than they are already in. And make sentence fragments that don't require a period after it when you can just combine them.

 

As for the original post, that is hypocrytical. Consistancy, consistancy.

[六兆年と一夜物語]

Africa - The Ride

 

And on your left, you can see the starving children with muddy water each day!

[Skuldur]

@Ezio: Please shut the funk up!

 

@Topic: Those people were the kind of people who help Africa only to make them feel good about themselves, at least in my opinion.

[~Oleon~]

ROFLMAO.

[Dweller of Parables]

Revolver be thinking their intelligence is high. [/fail]

 

@topic: I say we make Africa the next America.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

Revolver be thinking their intelligence is high. [/fail]

 

@topic: I say we make Africa the next America.

 

Dweller be acting all cold and critical about everything' date=' teetering on the brink of non sequitur.

 

Due to the above, Dweller thinks everyone be thinking he be cool because of the high levels of disdain and dissatisfaction he be exuding. [/fail']

 

 

And yes I do consider myself to be fairly intelligent. However, it would only be fail if I was yelling "I'MMA SUPAH GENIUS SO YOU AUTO FAIL!!!!!111111Shift+1=!"