Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6850624687498691777 It's rather long, so if you don't have time to listen to it, then I'll understand. However, I thought I would share something I found hilarious: Dr. Simmons, the man arguing ID, is completely ignorant of the fossil record. Particularly, he believes there are pretty much no fossil evidence of intermediate forms of whales. And, if you have had any sort of biology course that covers evolution, then you know that the fossil record for whales is one of the basic things you would discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 My zoology teacher said whales evolved from wolves...I dun know whether this is true or not. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 My zoology teacher said whales evolved from wolves...I dun know whether this is true or not. D: Are you sure you didn't hear wrong? That doesn't make any sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 My teacher says Hippos and Whale evolved from a weird hippo looking thing. Anyways, that guy was an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 My teacher says Hippos and Whale evolved from a weird hippo looking thing. Anyways' date=' that guy was an idiot.[/quote'] I don't know about the weird hippo looking thing part, but your teacher is right. With what information we have now, we conclude that the closest living relatives to whales/porpoises/ect. is the hippo. And how could you have finished listening to it so fast? It's about 50 minutes long. O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 My zoology teacher said whales evolved from wolves...I dun know whether this is true or not. D: Are you sure you didn't hear wrong? That doesn't make any sense at all. I'm pretty sure. She said upon dissection, whales have limbs that are very similar to a wolf's limbs. Wait. I think she might have said it was a theory or something. I'm not sure though. This was about 5-6 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 My zoology teacher said whales evolved from wolves...I dun know whether this is true or not. D: Are you sure you didn't hear wrong? That doesn't make any sense at all. I'm pretty sure. She said upon dissection' date=' whales have limbs that are very similar to a wolf's limbs. Wait. I think she might have said it was a theory or something. I'm not sure though. This was about 5-6 months ago.[/quote'] Well, whales and wolves are both mammals, so it would make sense that their basic structures (limbs, for example) would be pretty similar. But to say that they are closely related in comparison to the relationship between wolves and domestic dogs or whales and hippos is quite silly and has no evidence to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Creationists = Informed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 However' date=' I thought I would share something I found hilarious: Dr. Simmons, the man arguing ID, is completely ignorant of the fossil record. Particularly, he believes there are pretty much no intermediate forms of whales. And, if you have had any sort of biology course that covers evolution, then you know that the fossil record for whales is one of the basic things you would discuss.[/quote'] Well, the evolution of whales is a pretty obscure fact. It isn't like Wikipedia is accessible to anyone with an Internet connection, anyway. But corny jokes aside, even if there were no evidence of whales having stemmed from the same order that gave us giraffes and deer and sheep, why exactly should we jump from one insupportable thesis to another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrir Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I recall watching something about whales evolving from a small four legged mammal, don't remember the rest tbh. Still, evolution interests me. So I'll be sure to watch this when I get the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sorry, I forgot that every part of science is absolutely 100% fact and cannot be argued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sorry' date=' I forgot that every part of science is absolutely 100% fact and cannot be argued.[/quote'] I didn't say that. You are free and encouraged to debate, but you have to make sure that you have the facts (in this case, fossil evidence).However' date=' I thought I would share something I found hilarious: Dr. Simmons, the man arguing ID, is completely ignorant of the fossil record. Particularly, he believes there are pretty much no intermediate forms of whales. And, if you have had any sort of biology course that covers evolution, then you know that the fossil record for whales is one of the basic things you would discuss.[/quote'] Well, the evolution of whales is a pretty obscure fact. It isn't like Wikipedia is accessible to anyone with an Internet connection, anyway. But corny jokes aside, even if there were no evidence of whales having stemmed from the same order that gave us giraffes and deer and sheep, why exactly should we jump from one insupportable thesis to another? Your second statement's wording confuses me. What exactly are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Intelligent Design Vs Evolution Debates usually get nowhere and just cause more arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muluck Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 This type of debate always comes down to personal belief, regardless of the amount of data and facts each side has. I for one think Intelligent Design is far from the truth, but don't ask me to fully back up my statement, because I can't. No one can fully back their statement when it comes to this argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The theory of Intelligent Design is utterly incompetent compared to the more fine-tuned, logical, believable theory of Evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The theory of Intelligent Design is utterly incompetent compared to the more fine-tuned' date=' logical, believable theory of Evolution.[/quote'] If its so much more believable then why do Millions of people believe in Intelligent Design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 This type of debate always comes down to personal belief' date=' regardless of the amount of data and facts each side has. I for one think Intelligent Design is far from the truth, but don't ask me to fully back up my statement, because I can't. No one can fully back their statement when it comes to this argument.[/quote'] No, it doesn't. You can't just chose to ignore evidence because it doesn't fit your beliefs. And there is no data/facts for the ID side, it's all attempts to discredit the evidence for the evolution side. That's bull. Of course you can back up your statement. The problem would be actually finding a positive claim for ID instead of negative claims for evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muluck Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The theory of Intelligent Design is utterly incompetent compared to the more fine-tuned' date=' logical, believable theory of Evolution.[/quote'] If its so much more believable then why do Millions of people believe in Intelligent Design? Because their religion forces them too.You can't have a religion and not believe every aspect of it, otherwise it ruins the point of having a religion.Unfortunately, every religion has people who want to pick and choose what they want to believe. Which is why we currently have so many religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 This type of debate always comes down to personal belief' date=' regardless of the amount of data and facts each side has. I for one think Intelligent Design is far from the truth, but don't ask me to fully back up my statement, because I can't. No one can fully back their statement when it comes to this argument.[/quote'] No, it doesn't. You can't just chose to ignore evidence because it doesn't fit your beliefs. lolwut? Sure You can I do it all the time! And there is no data/facts for the ID side, it's all attempts to discredit the evidence for the evolution side. That's bull. Of course you can back up your statement. The problem would be actually finding a positive claim for ID instead of negative claims for evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The theory of Intelligent Design is utterly incompetent compared to the more fine-tuned' date=' logical, believable theory of Evolution.[/quote'] If its so much more believable then why do Millions of people believe in Intelligent Design? It's very rare that you find a person that believes in Intelligent Design alone. The Millions of people that believe in it only believe in it because their religion tells them to. They were brought up believing in God and they can't even understand the concept of believing in anything else, their minds are so warped and deluded by the religious monstrosity. "Politics has slain it's thousands, but religion has slaughtered it's millions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The theory of Intelligent Design is utterly incompetent compared to the more fine-tuned' date=' logical, believable theory of Evolution.[/quote'] If its so much more believable then why do Millions of people believe in Intelligent Design? Are you saying that, if millions of people believed that the Earth was the center of the universe, it would automatically become the most logical theory? And to answer your question, it's because there are hundreds of misconceptions and outright lies when it comes to how the general public views evolution. For instance, do you think that scientists today believe that humans evolved from chimps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muluck Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 This type of debate always comes down to personal belief' date=' regardless of the amount of data and facts each side has. I for one think Intelligent Design is far from the truth, but don't ask me to fully back up my statement, because I can't. No one can fully back their statement when it comes to this argument.[/quote'] No, it doesn't. You can't just chose to ignore evidence because it doesn't fit your beliefs. And there is no data/facts for the ID side, it's all attempts to discredit the evidence for the evolution side. That's bull. Of course you can back up your statement. The problem would be actually finding a positive claim for ID instead of negative claims for evolution. I think you misinterpreted my statement.I said "I for one think Intelligent Design is far from the truth.", usually that means that someone doesn't agree with it, which proves to be true in this case because I do not agree with it. I even prove it in this post:[spoiler=Me proving it]The theory of Intelligent Design is utterly incompetent compared to the more fine-tuned' date=' logical, believable theory of Evolution.[/quote'] If its so much more believable then why do Millions of people believe in Intelligent Design? Because their religion forces them too.You can't have a religion and not believe every aspect of it, otherwise it ruins the point of having a religion.Unfortunately, every religion has people who want to pick and choose what they want to believe. Which is why we currently have so many religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 This type of debate always comes down to personal belief' date=' regardless of the amount of data and facts each side has. I for one think Intelligent Design is far from the truth, but don't ask me to fully back up my statement, because I can't. No one can fully back their statement when it comes to this argument.[/quote'] No, it doesn't. You can't just chose to ignore evidence because it doesn't fit your beliefs. lolwut? Sure You can I do it all the time! And there is no data/facts for the ID side, it's all attempts to discredit the evidence for the evolution side. That's bull. Of course you can back up your statement. The problem would be actually finding a positive claim for ID instead of negative claims for evolution. Please don't be stupid. If you don't have anything constructive to say, then don't get involved. Now, if you want to say, answer me this: what evidence do you have that evolution is in any way faulty or otherwise insufficient to explain how life on Earth got to where it is today?This type of debate always comes down to personal belief' date=' regardless of the amount of data and facts each side has. I for one think Intelligent Design is far from the truth, but don't ask me to fully back up my statement, because I can't. No one can fully back their statement when it comes to this argument.[/quote'] No, it doesn't. You can't just chose to ignore evidence because it doesn't fit your beliefs. And there is no data/facts for the ID side, it's all attempts to discredit the evidence for the evolution side. That's bull. Of course you can back up your statement. The problem would be actually finding a positive claim for ID instead of negative claims for evolution. I think you misinterpreted my statement.I said "I for one think Intelligent Design is far from the truth.", usually that means that someone doesn't agree with it, which proves to be true in this case because I do not agree with it. No, I understood your statement. But you merely thinking that Intelligent Design being "far from the truth" means nothing unless you have evidence to back it up. You say you have none, which might be true in your case, but it is entirely false that there isn't any evidence at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 There is no set in stone evidence for the existence of a God, or for Intelligent Design. On the other hand, there is DEFINITE evidence for evolution. Evolution is almost certainly correct, and even though there is a minimal chance it isn't, it is far more credible than Intelligent Design or the theory of a Divine Being governing our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The theory of Intelligent Design is utterly incompetent compared to the more fine-tuned' date=' logical, believable theory of Evolution.[/quote'] If its so much more believable then why do Millions of people believe in Intelligent Design? Are you saying that, if millions of people believed that the Earth was the center of the universe, it would automatically become the most logical theory? And to answer your question, it's because there are hundreds of misconceptions and outright lies when it comes to how the general public views evolution. For instance, do you think that scientists today believe that humans evolved from chimps? No, I just merely chose not to believe the theory of evolution. And something is not "logical" just because it seems "logical" to certain people. Intelligent Design seems very "logical" to many people, and the same goes for evolution. And there are plenty of misconceptions about Creationists as well. There is no set in stone evidence for the existence of a God' date=' or for Intelligent Design. On the other hand, there is DEFINITE evidence for evolution. Evolution is almost certainly correct, and even though there is a minimal chance it isn't, it is far more credible than Intelligent Design or the theory of a Divine Being governing our lives.[/quote'] You make me laugh. HAHAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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