Major flaw (sorry)

[Scatty]

Some while ago, there was a topic about time travel. There, I concluded that we cannot travel to the past because (time speed)=(cosmological constant)(1+(curvature of space-time)) as Einstein said, as in this equation neither the cosmological constant nor the curvature of space-time can be negative, so time speed can't be negative. But here's the flaw: just because time can't flow backwards, it doesn't mean you can't beam yourself somewhere into the past and proceed from there.

 

So, contrary to my former belief, there is nothing in field theories nor in quantum mechanics that would not permit travelling to the past.

 

This being said, I have made this topic to discuss the problem of time travel again, but with new opinions.

[Tabris]

Some while ago' date=' there was a topic about time travel. There, I concluded that we cannot travel to the past because (time speed)=(cosmological constant)(1+(curvature of space-time)) as Einstein said, as in this equation neither the cosmological constant nor the curvature of space-time can be negative, so time speed can't be negative. But here's the flaw: just because time can't [b']flow[/b] backwards, it doesn't mean you can't beam yourself somewhere into the past and proceed from there.

 

So, contrary to my former belief, there is nothing in field theories nor in quantum mechanics that would not permit travelling to the past.

 

This being said, I have made this topic to discuss the problem of time travel again, but with new opinions.

 

Well, if not those, then at least common sense. You know the drill: I go back to the past, kill my 3-year-old mother, and...

 

... but we're talkin' 'bout quantum theory. Tell me more.

[Guest JoshIcy]

You know the drill: I go back to the past' date=' kill my 3-year-old mother, and...

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You'd still be alive. Such a jump wouldn't occur in your history. Therefore while it is you in a sense, it's only you during THAT history. Not your own. Therefore killing your 3yr old mother wouldn't change you.

[Luna Lovegood]

Do you believe in fate? Think carefully before answering this question. Do you believe in time travel? The answer to both of these questions should have been the same

[Guest JoshIcy]

What the bloody hell does Fate have to do with Time Travel?

Both follow completely different ideals that do not link.

[Brushfire]

What the bloody hell does Fate have to do with Time Travel?

Both follow completely different ideals that do not link.

 

Uh, a lot, especially considering your words. If nothing would change, then fate would have something to do with this alternate reality. If it is fated that you would be born, then it would happen so.

[WTF]

What the bloody hell does Fate have to do with Time Travel?

Both follow completely different ideals that do not link.

 

Uh' date=' a lot, especially considering your words. If nothing would change, then fate would have something to do with this alternate reality. If it is fated that you would be born, then it would happen so.

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True. But yet Because saying that you killed your mother in theory would alter the future. But altering the space time continuum is physically impossible but yet fate could be a variable in time travel.

[Guest JoshIcy]

What the bloody hell does Fate have to do with Time Travel?

Both follow completely different ideals that do not link.

 

Uh' date=' a lot, especially considering your words. If nothing would change, then fate would have something to do with this alternate reality. If it is fated that you would be born, then it would happen so.

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In this new universe the fate of that universe would be separate from your own. Due to the fact that history itself may change based on unique actions taken in this new universe. Such as you not being born, or you being born into a royal family. Maybe you're not human at all and possibly a spider?

 

Fate is rather intangible, and unique to everyone yet a specific person. Hardly something to mention, given that Tabris' example is based on cause and effect. =/

[HORUS]

Actually, we can't travel through time because we would have to go through a black hole that happens to be a worm hole that connects to a white hole on the other side of space time and if we simply enter the horizon of the black hole, we are stretched over a large area in less than a second at light speed and destroyed by radiation.

[Dark]

You'd still be alive. Such a jump wouldn't occur in your history. Therefore while it is you in a sense, it's only you during THAT history. Not your own. Therefore killing your 3yr old mother wouldn't change you.

 

That makes absolutely no sense. :/

 

If you go back in time and kill the person who gave birth to you, you would not (and could not) be born into that family. Because your mother/father would be dead, you'd never be conceived, and you'd cease to exist.

 

Essentially, you are bringing spiritual discussion into this and talking about 'fate' (and I use the term lightly) by saying that it's your 'destiny' to be born. So killing your 'mother' will just cause you to be born somewhere else. And that doesn't make much sense. At all.

[Yankee]

You'd still be alive. Such a jump wouldn't occur in your history. Therefore while it is you in a sense' date=' it's only you during THAT history. Not your own. Therefore killing your 3yr old mother wouldn't change you.[/i']

 

That makes absolutely no sense. :/

 

If you go back in time and kill the person who gave birth to you, you would not (and could not) be born into that family. Because your mother/father would be dead, you'd never be conceived, and you'd cease to exist.

 

Essentially, you are bringing spiritual discussion into this and talking about 'fate' (and I use the term lightly) by saying that it's your 'destiny' to be born. So killing your 'mother' will just cause you to be born somewhere else. And that doesn't make much sense. At all.

 

Coruse, the way I see it..your thought would actually continue on.

Because you where not born, you technically would not have been in the past to kill your mother, thus, you would not have killed her.

Thinking about it..you doing things in the past would cause there to be a giant, endless loop reel in time..

 

Like..my usual example:

You go to the past to save the Titanic. You do. Because its saved, you would have never traveled to the past, thus, what you did never happened, and the Titanic still crashes, and then you in the future would go the past..again..causing a endless loop..see?

 

Thats just my thought..with no real science behind it (I don't have any actual science notes or anything, this is just my thought on it)

[Scatty]

Stop talking about temporal paradoxes, people! It is commonly accepted that when you travel to the past you actually go into a parallel dimension, so nothing in your former dimension actually changes. Therefore, temporal paradoxes do not exist.

 

Any opinions NOT connected to temporal paradoxes?

[JG.]

Ooo, you're referring to my thread. So I see Hollywood is less far from reality than I thought initially.

[Scatty]

Hang on tight, cowboy. Just because time travel to the past does not contradict science, it doesn't mean it's possible, it simply means it's not impossible.

[JG.]

I understand that, but if it's not impossible, it means it is possible, just not with current technology.

[Scatty]

Well more or less that's the reason for the "sorry" in the title...

[六兆年と一夜物語]

Time travel becomes more risky depending on how far back you go and what you change.

[Scatty]

Time travel becomes more risky depending on how far back you go and what you change.

 

Read post 12. DON'T TALK TEMPORAL PARADOXES.

[Yasu]

So... each microsecond of my life millions (if not infinite) parallel realities are created, kewl.

[blaze.]

I hate thinking about these things, they make my head hurt...

 

@KM6, exactly, which is why if you killed your three year old mother, you would not be affected in YOUR history

[Scatty]

I hate thinking about these things' date=' they make my head hurt...

 

@KM6, exactly, which is why if you killed your three year old mother, you would not be affected in YOUR history

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Instead of agreeing with me, can we talk timetravel, pls?

 

I think that a way of travelling to the past would be counter-future-jump (CFJ).

 

Here are the principles:

 

1. Leave planet Earth

2. Go in a place where gravitational pull is close to zero.

3. Make sure no radiation touches you, make sure you don't move at all, and make sure there is no negative energy in the zone.

4. Calmly wait.

 

This way, time on Earth will pass faster than where you are, so when you come back, you will notice that the people on Earth have advanced to the future more than you. it is not purely travelling to the past, but...

 

Anyway, as a method of travelling to the past, it is kinda retarded, because you actually travel only 0.001 seconds PER YEAR, but it IS travelling to the past (or more exactly travelling slower into the future).

[Tabris]

Stop talking about temporal paradoxes' date=' people! It is commonly accepted that when you travel to the past you actually go into a parallel dimension, so nothing in your former dimension actually changes. Therefore, temporal paradoxes do not exist.

 

Any opinions NOT connected to temporal paradoxes?

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That would be true if parallel dimensions actually exist. But since this all is conjecture...

[Scatty]

Stop talking about temporal paradoxes' date=' people! It is commonly accepted that when you travel to the past you actually go into a parallel dimension, so nothing in your former dimension actually changes. Therefore, temporal paradoxes do not exist.

 

Any opinions NOT connected to temporal paradoxes?

[/quote']

 

That would be true if parallel dimensions actually exist. But since this all is conjecture...

 

Simple logic. If parallel dimensions do not exist, then time does not exist. The world is all made of instants, or "fundamental vibrations", each lasting 10 to the minus 47 seconds. Fundamental vibrations are not fixed, and since they are quantum quantities, and NOT baryons, they can be in multiple places at the same time, hence, every 10 to the minus 47 seconds, a number of universes is created equal to a multiplication between the possible placings of all particles in our universe. And yes, that's kinda virtually infinite...per pico-pico-attosecond!

[Super Half Vamp Riku]

you know you cant travel to the past because if you did the time machine would not exsist there so you couldent get there so you could go to the future