Vayu Support? IT BURNS! ---- YOU WILL DIE!

[Jolta]

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This card can only be activated if a DARK Tuner monster's Effect activates while it is in the Graveyard. both players lose 600 Life Points if it was removed from play. Both players gain 600 Life Points if it was Special Summoned to the field.

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[Guest Zeonark]

That is one awesome picture man.

 

But it's effect is a quite...double sided. I wouldn't know how it'd work in your favor. Except I just noticed it's second effect would work with Bad Reaction.

 

This is decent. But I don't know how it works out. Lol.

[Zeaux]

Little situational and... well, I don't know, I wouldn't use it in a Blackwing Deck.

 

I don't know much about the balance and usefulness of this card, so I can't rate. ;s

[-Griffin]

Technically misses the timing with everything in the game xD

Even if it did work, the card's too UP'd, it's a clear -1.

[Jolta]

OK Thanks guys.

 

I had no idea what "Misses timing" exactly means.

[-Griffin]

If you activate Vayu's effect, you can't respond with this until Vayu's Summoned the Synchro. By that time, the last thing to happen wasn't Vayu activating his effect, so this can never be activated.

[Jolta]

Oh sh**...

 

Well, Lets just say the pic is ironic. Wonder how many DARK Tuner monsters can be removed from play from the Grave.

[-Griffin]

Any effect that activates does something, so you can never really respond to an effect. You can chain to an effect, but I don't know how you'd word it to make it so that it would chain, instead of respond to an effect's activation.

 

And it's still UP'd.

 

I'd change the activation to either activating on the turn a tuner's effect's activated, or to say it can be activated as a chain link to it or something - I don't even know how to word that =/

[Jolta]

on the turn a tuner's effect's activated

 

Yeah, that would work quite well...

[Guest Zeonark]

I'd change the activation to either activating on the turn a tuner's effect's activated' date=' or to say it can be activated as a chain link to it or something - I don't even know how to word that =/

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"You can activate this card in response to another card effect in the Graveyard"

 

or something?

I might be wrong though. Since I don't know the difference between responding and chains.

[-Griffin]

I'd change the activation to either activating on the turn a tuner's effect's activated' date=' or to say it can be activated as a chain link to it or something - I don't even know how to word that =/

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"You can activate this card in response to another card effect in the Graveyard"

 

or something?

I might be wrong though. Since I don't know the difference between responding and chains.

 

When a card (effect) is activated outside of chain, it starts a chain and is "responding" to the last thing that happened, a Summon, a draw, entering a phase, setting a card, and anything else that happens in that chain is either "responding" to the same thing or "chaining" to the previous card. Then the chain goes backwards and the last thing to happen is whatever the first card activated did, which something else can respond too. But since the last thing that happened wasn't an effect ACTIVATING, you can't respond to an effect activating, only chain to it.

[Guest Zeonark]

I'd change the activation to either activating on the turn a tuner's effect's activated' date=' or to say it can be activated as a chain link to it or something - I don't even know how to word that =/

[/quote']

 

"You can activate this card in response to another card effect in the Graveyard"

 

or something?

I might be wrong though. Since I don't know the difference between responding and chains.

 

When a card (effect) is activated outside of chain, it starts a chain and is "responding" to the last thing that happened, a Summon, a draw, entering a phase, setting a card, and anything else that happens in that chain is either "responding" to the same thing or "chaining" to the previous card. Then the chain goes backwards and the last thing to happen is whatever the first card activated did, which something else can respond too. But since the last thing that happened wasn't an effect ACTIVATING, you can't respond to an effect activating, only chain to it.

 

Wait. So I don't get it.

 

What would work here exactly? Chaining or Responding?

[-Griffin]

I'd change the activation to either activating on the turn a tuner's effect's activated' date=' or to say it can be activated as a chain link to it or something - I don't even know how to word that =/

[/quote']

 

"You can activate this card in response to another card effect in the Graveyard"

 

or something?

I might be wrong though. Since I don't know the difference between responding and chains.

 

When a card (effect) is activated outside of chain, it starts a chain and is "responding" to the last thing that happened, a Summon, a draw, entering a phase, setting a card, and anything else that happens in that chain is either "responding" to the same thing or "chaining" to the previous card. Then the chain goes backwards and the last thing to happen is whatever the first card activated did, which something else can respond too. But since the last thing that happened wasn't an effect ACTIVATING, you can't respond to an effect activating, only chain to it.

 

Wait. So I don't get it.

 

What would work here exactly? Chaining or Responding?

"You can't respond to an effect activating, only chain to it"

Chain.

[Shinobi Phoenix]

For this card to work like the creator intended it to work, I think it's best to reword it into a state-based effect. Something similar to Rainbow Life. Rainbow Life can be activated anytime during the turn and remains active the whole turn it was activated.

 

 

Doing this with Emblem of Honor would prevent the NEED to chain it to anything and the effect would never go on chain anyway (it would be a static effect).

 

 

Something like:

During the turn this card is activated, if a DARK Tuner monster's effect in the Graveyard activates, activate the appropriate effect:

* Both players lose 600 Life Points if the activated DARK Tuner is removed from play.

* Both players gain 600 Life Points if the activated DARK Tuner was Special Summoned to the field.

 

The "you can" is also removed, thus making it non-optional and won't miss timing. If this was one of the video games, this would be where the animation makes a large image of the card appear on the screen to show its effect is taking place even though the card might not even be anywhere on the field or in the Graveyard.

 

 

or you could have combine state-based with targeting the Tuner, so that the effect triggers once that selected Tuner is removed/Special Summoning and the effect lingers the whole turn waiting for IF the Tuner does the "trigger action" but it won't look for OTHER DARK Tuners to do the same.