Anti-Synchro? [Tuner's Scheme]

[Jazin Kay]

You're exaggerating your interpretation of my approval of a portion of Konami's judgment. Stop that.

 

I beg to differ. >_>

You would.

 

Not broken card is not broken.

 

CTRL-F; "because" not found.

So? I understand the quip you're trying to make here' date=' but it failed.[/b']

 

Bringing up paranoia is a good explanation for why you're chicken enough to say that.

 

Doesn't even begin to make sense.

Sure it does. You're scared of what this card can do to you and/or decks similar to what you run. If you're a good player' date=' you should be abel to play around this or sidedeck answers to it, if it becomes prevalent enough to the players near you. But instead, you want to chicken it out and wish for Konami to ban it.[/b']

 

Tuner's Scheme will never be even semi-limited. I promise you that. In the odd event it does' date=' I will certainly eat my words. But that won't happen.[/quote']

 

Hahaha, oh wow. "YOU'RE EXAGGERATING MY APPROVAL OF KONAMI STOP THAT."

You're still doing it.

 

Allowing type killers to flourish is just bad for the game.

 

Allowing children to cry when their decks that utilize a theme of any kind are beaten by one card are worse for the game.

 

Did you just back Atlas up here? FFS man' date=' get it together.

[b']I did? How? I am referring to players like Atlas. Children who are crying when Tuner's Scheme beats their deck. They are worse for the game than the notion that typekill cards are.

 

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[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Hey moron, I believe I mentioned the lack of Synchros I use in nearly all my decks before. Your regurgitation of disproved points and this repeated insult lead me to assume you suffer from short term memory loss. :S

 

You may be one of those "THIS IS BAD FOR MY DECK BAN" and "GOOD FOR MY DECK NO BAN" people, but don't drag me down to your level.

[Jazin Kay]

Therein lies the problem. Tuner's Scheme helps cards fight against Synchros. But this is the only effective means of doing so?

No' date=' it's one of the best ways of doing so. Or siding Oppression, but the banlist slapped our hands on that one.[/b']

 

One would have to main this, and against non-Synchro users it would be an utterly dead draw.

That's what SIDEDECKS are for.

 

And siding it means Synchros can nail you in a turn.

Not if you side it IN against synchro-using decks, and OUT for decks that don't synchro summon. Better yet, when playing against a deck that doesn't synchro summon, don't side it in at all.

 

However, simply getting rid of ridiculous tuning combos and grossly overpowering generic Synchros balances the game without the help of an awkward card like this.

Balancing it in the wrong direction, maybe. What, now we have to overpower synchro monsters to bring balance to the imbalance that Tuner's Scheme made for the meta? No, it's the other way around.

 

The meta has also been slowed and more control can be practiced.

Even better. The lines between meta and anti-meta are blurring, aren't they. I'm not sure how I feel about that yet, but it's pretty exciting.

Hey moron' date=' I believe I mentioned the lack of Synchros I use in nearly all my decks before. Your regurgitation of disproved points and this repeated insult lead me to assume you suffer from short term memory loss. :S

[b']Oh, sorry MORON.

- am

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Feel better, crybaby?

 

You may be one of those "THIS IS BAD FOR MY DECK BAN" and "GOOD FOR MY DECK NO BAN" people, but don't drag me down to your level.

I'm not, kid.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Therein lies the problem. Tuner's Scheme helps cards fight against Synchros. But this is the only effective means of doing so?

No' date=' it's one of the best ways of doing so. Or siding Oppression, but the banlist slapped our hands on that one.[/b']

 

One would have to main this, and against non-Synchro users it would be an utterly dead draw.

That's what SIDEDECKS are for.

Above points are addressed later on in my original post.

 

 

And siding it means Synchros can nail you in a turn.

Not if you side it IN against synchro-using decks, and OUT for decks that don't synchro summon. Better yet, when playing against a deck that doesn't synchro summon, don't side it in at all.

You've still lost a round either way if this card is so necessary.

 

However, simply getting rid of ridiculous tuning combos and grossly overpowering generic Synchros balances the game without the help of an awkward card like this.

Balancing it in the wrong direction, maybe. What, now we have to overpower synchro monsters to bring balance to the imbalance that Tuner's Scheme made for the meta? No, it's the other way around.

Exactly, the other way around. Ban TS, and ban OP'd Synchros.

 

The meta has also been slowed and more control can be practiced.

Even better. The lines between meta and anti-meta are blurring, aren't they. I'm not sure how I feel about that yet, but it's pretty exciting.

Type killer…killing would get rid of the whole anti-meta idea dragging down lower tier decks. With things in check form the getgo, the game would be a lot more fun overall.

Hey moron' date=' I believe I mentioned the lack of Synchros I use in nearly all my decks before. Your regurgitation of disproved points and this repeated insult lead me to assume you suffer from short term memory loss. :S

[b']Oh, sorry MORON.

- am

+ was

Feel better, crybaby?

Well, I wasn't exactly feeling distraught, but your nonsensical response confused me if anything.

 

You may be one of those "THIS IS BAD FOR MY DECK BAN" and "GOOD FOR MY DECK NO BAN" people, but don't drag me down to your level.

I'm not, kid.

Okay, child.

[Jazin Kay]

I'd rather ban OP'd synchros. FAR more harmful to the game than TS is. AND more decks can use them to better advantage. TS is only good BECAUSE there are some arguably OP'd synchros still in the game. TS NEEDS these synchros to be good. If we use the banlist beam on these OP'd synchros, guess what happens! TS loses power!

 

Oh wait, we've already done that once. And limited some others. See where Konami's going, here?

 

I'm not saying I'm kissing Konami's ass by agreeing with their logic, there. But take that as you will.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

You're exaggerating your interpretation of my approval of a portion of Konami's judgment. Stop that.

 

I beg to differ. >_>

You would.

You bet I would. I'm not exaggerating anything. You're so infatuated with Konami that you can't look at things rationally.

 

Not broken card is not broken.

 

CTRL-F; "because" not found.

So? I understand the quip you're trying to make here' date=' but it failed.[/b']

 

It failed because...? You said it did? Considering you STILL haven't provided rational reasoning there, it hasn't failed in the least.

 

Bringing up paranoia is a good explanation for why you're chicken enough to say that.

 

Doesn't even begin to make sense.

 

Sure it does. You're scared of what this card can do to you and/or decks similar to what you run. If you're a good player' date=' you should be abel to play around this or sidedeck answers to it, if it becomes prevalent enough to the players near you. But instead, you want to chicken it out and wish for Konami to ban it.[/b']

 

I run Berserk Dragon billy Decks. :/ Removing broken cards is always better than having players be expected to counter broken cards which'll often also theirselves be broken, this being a good example. Players shouldn't have to draw into counters to unreasonable cards to not be brutally punished for what isn't even damaging to the game.

 

Tuner's Scheme will never be even semi-limited. I promise you that. In the odd event it does' date=' I will certainly eat my words. But that won't happen.[/quote']

 

Hahaha, oh wow. "YOU'RE EXAGGERATING MY APPROVAL OF KONAMI STOP THAT."

You're still doing it.

 

No I'm not, you just gave a perfect example of your massive trust and approval for Konami to the point where I could ridicule your previous statement which you're now trying to bring up AGAIN, but since your own words kinda thwarted that already, you're just being retarded again.

 

Allowing type killers to flourish is just bad for the game.

 

Allowing children to cry when their decks that utilize a theme of any kind are beaten by one card are worse for the game.

 

Did you just back Atlas up here? FFS man' date=' get it together.

[b']I did? How? I am referring to players like Atlas. Children who are crying when Tuner's Scheme beats their deck. They are worse for the game than the notion that typekill cards are.

 

You're advocating for cards which you described as being single-handedly able to thwart particular themes. Even YOU should see that as an awfully steep slope.

 

 

This's worse than trying to convince SynchroDuelist to not run Fane and Elphin in standard BWs.

 

I'd rather ban OP'd synchros. FAR more harmful to the game than TS is. AND more decks can use them to better advantage. TS is only good BECAUSE there are some arguably OP'd synchros still in the game. TS NEEDS these synchros to be good. If we use the banlist beam on these OP'd synchros' date=' guess what happens! TS loses power!

 

Oh wait, we've already done that once. And limited some others. See where Konami's going, here?

 

I'm not saying I'm kissing Konami's ass by agreeing with their logic, there. But take that as you will.

[/quote']

 

Tuner's Scheme's still heavily more beneficial than costly when successfully activated once overpowered Synchros are out of the picture.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

But with only decent Synchros left and TS still around, they'll be crippled. Both have to go, you yourself said it's useless unless used on Synchros, and then it's an unacceptable advantage made. If it's either useless or a deadly and cheap type-killer, it should be banned.

[Jazin Kay]

I don't see any of your points, Polaris.

 

Cept the one about you running a billy deck.

 

You're just as arrogant and logic-deprived as you accuse me of being.

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But with only decent Synchros left and TS still around' date=' they'll be crippled. Both have to go, you yourself said it's useless unless used on Synchros, and then it's an unacceptable advantage made. If it's either useless or a deadly and cheap type-killer, it should be banned.

[/quote']

 

No, it's either useful for swiping OP'd synchros, or useless, as there aren't many great synchros to swipe with it, letting player judgment select better, simpler ways to deal with Gaia Knights your opponent spits out, making it fall into the "oh this card, so?" category. Compulsory Evacuation Device, baby!

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I don't see any of your points' date=' Polaris.

 

Cept the one about you running a billy deck.

 

You're just as arrogant and logic-deprived as you accuse me of being.[hr']

But with only decent Synchros left and TS still around' date=' they'll be crippled. Both have to go, you yourself said it's useless unless used on Synchros, and then it's an unacceptable advantage made. If it's either useless or a deadly and cheap type-killer, it should be banned.

[/quote']

 

No, it's either useful for swiping OP'd synchros, or useless, as there aren't many great synchros to swipe with it, letting player judgment select better, simpler ways to deal with Gaia Knights your opponent spits out, making it fall into the "oh this card, so?" category. Compulsory Evacuation Device, baby!

Except this would be superior to CED and punishes an opponent for doing nothing more than Synchroing. Use cards like BTH and the such, and ban this. Along with those new Anti-Synchro cards coming out in TSHD among others. >_>

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I don't see any of your points' date=' Polaris.

 

How convenient for you. I'm more leaning to you just not willing to counter my points because you've made an utter fool of yourself and blundered away what was left of an already lost argument. Now that you've lost, you resort to telling me that "you're not seeing my points". Oh wow.

 

You're just as arrogant and logic-deprived as you accuse me of being.

 

BECAUSE? You can't counter my arguments, so now you're just throwing accusations at me which you can't even or haven't even attempted to back up in the slightest.

[Jazin Kay]

If it becomes a reality wher Konami bans several more synchro monsters, or limits them to all hell, CED will become superior.

 

You can main CED easily, as it can toss away ANY monster. This allows you to fit more helpful things into your sidedeck and not waste space. TS you pretty much have to side. Maining it is foolish.

 

If that scenario happens, I'd ditch the schemes and start maining CEDs in my anti-meta deck. For a regular deck, one that could even still want to use synchros, I doubt much would change to it's primary flow. A saber deck might adjust to become less reliant on synchros, but a BW deck might stay as it is. Depending on the build, even vice-versa.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I get that CED is better, but what TS does to specific decks is plain bad.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

It doesn't matter how situational or how dead it is when it doesn't work, it's its impact when it does work to its cost. Even with the overpowered Synchros gone, this is still a massive gain in field presence while having your opponent throw away the cards necessary to make it. Synchros that aren't banworthy don't deserve to be punished to the extent that this does, depriving your opponent of their monster and its Summoning Cost while gaining all the benefits of their monster. You don't pay the Summoning cost your opponent had to, your opponent loses a monster, and you gain one. That's huge.

[Jazin Kay]

Specific decks, that if weakened by a banlist that shoves banhammers up synchro butt, wouldn't be phased as much.

 

Personally, I'm rooting for Saber Hole. Brionac can't do JACK to me. BRD can't either. Obelisk... uh oh.

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It doesn't matter how situational or how dead it is when it doesn't work' date=' it's its impact when it does work to its cost. Even with the overpowered Synchros gone, this is still a massive gain in field presence while having your opponent throw away the cards necessary to make it. Synchros that aren't banworthy don't deserve to be punished to the extent that this does, depriving your opponent of their monster and its Summoning Cost while gaining all the benefits of their monster.

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You don't get my point from up there, do you?

 

Your argument is extremely vague. When ANY good card in decks nowadays works to it's cost, it can turn an entire game around. Using that logic, should we go ahead and ban all of them, too? Lotta guns being jumped, there.