Chicken or the EGG?

[Alex DeLarge]

chicken, my theory is that like all other animals the chicken evolved from micro-organisms and then layed the egg

[Skuldur]

The egg.

[GraveHorizon]

When speaking about chicken eggs: neither. The question is kind of misleading. It presupposes that one appeared out of nowhere before the other. Chickens did not just appear, and it seems less likely that an egg would just appear and somehow survive. Chickens come from eggs, and eggs come from chickens. They both came into existence over time, but eggs in general have been around longer. If you'd like to get technical, eggs came first. Dinosaur eggs.

[Skuldur]

@Grave: Here's a story about mutations and evolution.

 

Once there was this bird much like a chicken but not exactly the same. Then something triggered a mutation and caused them to lay eggs that had creatures slightly different from themselves.

 

Those creatures were chickens. ;D

[GraveHorizon]

@Grave: Here's a story about mutations and evolution.

 

Once there was this bird much like a chicken but not exactly the same. Then something triggered a mutation and caused them to lay eggs that had creatures slightly different from themselves.

 

Those creatures were chickens. ;D

 

What is this "evolution" devilry you speak of? ^3^

 

I'm aware of how chickens came about, but the times when both subjects first appeared can't be accurately determined due to the very process owing to their existence. Evolution takes thousands of years, so it's not like the "creature" suddenly became a chicken overnight; the line between not-chicken and chicken is pretty much invisible. Since the change is over such a long period of time, you couldn't point at the creature and its immediate offspring and say one is a chicken while the other is not. And who decides what comprises a chicken in the first place? Maybe you could choose a specimen and track its genetics through the ancestral line (assuming we had the technology/magic necessary) until you get to a point where something specific changes, but what would that be? Also, if the creature and its offspring are not-chicken and chicken, respectively, is the egg a chicken egg or a not-chicken egg? Science says that humans and chimpanzees are 96% the same genetically, so would there really be a difference at that point (between 2 directly related creatures)?

 

Really, the question might as well be "What came first, time or space?"

[TrickyPooBoy]

In the beginning God made all animals.

 

Having said that, the Chicken.

[Tentacruel]

In the beginning God made all animals.

 

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[GraveHorizon]

In the beginning God made all animals.

 

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Magic FTW.

[Aximil]

In the beginning God made all animals.

 

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Now back it up with science.

[Altaïr]

it depends in what you belive science or god.....

[Aximil]

it depends in what you belive science or god.....

 

Creationism is completely illogical. I'll believe it if someone is able to back EVERYTHING that "God" has done scientifically without a flaw.

[WTF]

chicken! -_-

[EliminateHRN]

Your mom.

[GraveHorizon]

it depends in what you belive science or god magic invisible purple unicorns.....

 

I believe in science, as the other options are equally improbable.

 

OT: Neither came first is still my answer.

[Zimiri of the Muse]

egg i say

[Poseidon©]

Evolution states that species change over time via mutation and selection. Since DNA can be modified only before birth, a mutation must have taken place at conception or within an egg such that an animal similar to a chicken, but not a chicken, laid the first chicken egg. In this light, both the egg and the chicken evolved simultaneously from birds who weren't chickens and didn't lay chicken eggs but gradually became more and more like chickens over time.

However, a mutation in one individual is not normally considered a new species. A speciation event involves the separation of one population from its parent population, so that interbreeding ceases; this is the process whereby domesticated animals are genetically separated from their wild forebears. The whole separated group can then be recognized as a new species.

The modern chicken was believed to have descended from another closely related species of birds, the red junglefowl, but recently discovered genetic evidence suggests that the modern domestic chicken is a hybrid descendant of both the red junglefowl and the grey junglefowl.

Assuming the evidence bears out, a hybrid is a compelling scenario that the chicken egg, based on the second definition, came before the chicken.

 

Basically saying that something evolved to the chicken.

[Tentacruel]

Here's a better question. What came first, the Pokemon or the egg?

[Grunt Issun]

If your not a stupid aithiest who doesnt belive in religion then chicken

 

but the way more stupid answer that is completly imposible in every way is niether.

 

NO SARCASM AT ALL!!!

[Aximil]

If your not a stupid aithiest who doesnt belive in religion then chicken

 

but the way more stupid answer that is completly imposible in every way is niether.

 

NO SARCASM AT ALL!!!

 

This is the first thing that has ever offended me at all on this site was that. Get rid of the stupid in the first sentence or we're going to have problems.

 

And responding to the rest of your post, it seems like you're one of those extremist Christians that every way that's different than yours is wrong. There is plenty of proof that evolution happened and there is no proof that "God" exists.

[Grunt Issun]

well i'll admit that stupid might have been mean but I just think that aithiesm is wrong

 

I dont care about lutherns and jews and all those other religions, they are just as good as christians but aithiests...To think that an explosion created not only 9 planets but also some little cells that went from being cells to fish to frogs to monkeys to us is crazy. just because were just like monkeys doesnt mean we evolved from them. perhaps were just mokeys lost hair and a tail. If humans can create life through reproductive organs then an almighy being can do better.

[Theseus]

Well, by logic of evolutionary theory, over millions of years, dinosaurs grew feathers, and smaller (this would be the Tyrannosaurus Rex, because scientists have determined that's the evolutionary ancestor of the chicken) and then, there was one last Tyranno-chicken generation and soo....

 

THE EGG came first.

[Aximil]

Maybe you should read a basic middle school science book to understand this stuffs. Besides, that's not what aethism is. We don't necisarrily (pretty sure I spelt that wrong) believe that. We just don't believe in a higher power. And again, there is no proof that "God" exists.

[Aniri Wulf]

I beleive the chicken came before the egg, for without the chicken, where would the egg come from, and if god made the egg first, who created god???

[Theseus]

Well, Wynn, I've discovered many incorrect points in your posts.

 

First of all, cells didn't exist until far after the creation of the universe. They were created by our greatest friend, lightning, which struck the ground and created amino acids, which combined to create proteins, which joined together to make prokaryotic cells. These prokaryotes joined together in communities of interdependent cells, and became eukaryotes, which gathered to form multicellular animals. That took BILLIONS of years.

 

Secondly, we evolved from Homo habilis. We are classified as Homo sapien sapien (including, for the sake of exact determination, the subspecies). The H. habilis evolved from H. erectus, which were a species of primates that stood on their hind legs with a slightly arching back, and these came from the same time that we branched off from primates.

[Grunt Issun]

Oh it all makes sense now, i now understand that the bible was wrong...God created the lightning that made the cells, so evelution is true, but god created the evelution. I think that thats much more likely