Blackwing-Gale the Whirlwind... staple or not?

[DARKPLANT RISING]

 

Sure it's broken. But I believe that PSZ goes over it. Many pros also say PSZ is better. Is Gale a staple, or no?

 

Now, let's look at a piece of Pojo, the best yugioh review site in the world!!

This is the best Tuner in the game.

 

Well' date=' let's respect his opinions too! (Whether to treat this as reality or sarcasm depends on your nature.)

 

O wait, there's another challenger besides PSZ!!

1. Soldier of mist valley

1700/300/Winged Beast/WIND/Level 4

This card is coming out in Hidden Arsenal and i think it will replace RWOR as the beast Lv4 tuner. it even has a good effect that can bounce opposing monsters! it is usable in BW decks as it is a WBeast and it is my pick of Best Tuner Monster!

 

Well, back to the point, the question is-

Is Gale a staple?

[Parion555]

Well if it was i would play it in my Deck wouldn't i?I mean i play Lightsworn and do you know how much PSZ is better than Gale?

[Chaos Flame]

Its like a mostly staple. Its a good tuner. Halfing stats is good. Insanely easy to summon in BW's. It also allows decks to use cards like armor master... IMO, its a staple if you feel like it.

[El Majishan]

Zorpa fails at this game, I lost respect from him after he said Cyber Dragon should be at 3.

 

Everyone and their mother plays Plague, he's more of a staple than Gale will ever be. Gale is just there for the Lv3 slot and Black Rose plays. Also its lulyz when he punches a Stardust in the face.

[Manjoume Thunder]

1. Gale is closer to the "staple" status than PSZ, but both are far from it.

2. The guy that says MVS is the best tuner is retarded.

3. This format proved that CyDra @2 is good. I don't see a problem with it @3. It just promotes more decks.

[El Majishan]

So you summoning a 2100 beater for free is a good thing?

 

If I'm low on deck space I go for Plague over Gale everytime. Plague is more diverse therefor closer to staple status than Gale, it offers tribute fodder, grave control and you can synchro summon twice with it...how does Gale compare?

[Parion555]

Well this is why PSZ is closer to the Staple Status:

 

1-Gale halves ATK and makes Tuning Possible PSZ allows 2 Synchro Summons which is a Blast in many Decks that use Synchro Monsters.

2-It's a Level 2 which is weird but goes really well with a lot of Level 4 Monsters because it lets you have Goyo and goes well with Level 6 Monsters because it lets you Summon Stardust.

 

Answer the question for you?

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So you summoning a 2100 beater for free is a good thing?

 

If I'm low on deck space I go for Plague over Gale everytime. Plague is more diverse therefor closer to staple status than Gale' date=' it offers tribute fodder, grave control and you can synchro summon twice with it...how does Gale compare?

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My Point Exactly.

[Manjoume Thunder]

So you summoning a 2100 beater for free is a good thing?

Good luck doing something "broken" with a 2100 vanilla. CyDra only serves as a BTH bait or to run over a Stratos/Spy/etc and then get destoyed on the next turn.

If I'm low on deck space I go for Plague over Gale everytime. Plague is more diverse therefor closer to staple status than Gale' date=' it offers tribute fodder, grave control and you can synchro summon twice with it...how does Gale compare?

[b']If you use PSZ for the +0 Monarch drop or a -1 Synchro ... you are doing it wrong. PSZ only shines in decks that utilize Zombie cards, LS cards and/or Arm Knight/Grepher. If you can't get it in the grave for free, he sucks. Last I checked more than half of the competitive decks can't do this and a card can't be a staple if it is bad in so much decks. On the other hand, Gale gives you access to a field nuke and an answer to a Stardust Dragon (the most commonly played Synchro this format)[/b]

 

Edit: Let's also look at some statistics. 7 of the top 16 decks in NJ used Gale. 5 used PSZ. 3 used both.

[El Majishan]

And yet He is splashed into more decks than Gale. Sure Gale gives you a Black Rose, but even Rose is seeing less play due to so many decks running SL Road, also there are other ans to Stardust that is far better than Gale the main one being D-Prision. As for "doing it wrong"....again YGO is a game where "sheet happens" so sometimes you are forced to "do it wrong" if that's the only play you are left with. I've been in situations where I had no outs but a top decked Caius with Plague in the grave and he pretty much saved my ass.

 

Edit: If I'm not mistaken most of those decks were Quickplants. If most decks were of similar build then yeah certain cards would pop up more.

[Parion555]

And yet He is splashed into more decks than Gale. Sure Gale gives you a Black Rose' date=' but even Rose is seeing less play due to so many decks running SL Road, also there are other ans to Stardust that is far better than Gale the main one being D-Prision. As for "doing it wrong"....again YGO is a game where "s*** happens" so sometimes you are forced to "do it wrong" if that's the only play you are left with. I've been in situations where I had no outs but a top decked Caius with Plague in the grave and he pretty much saved my ass.

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I have to agree with that Plaguespreader has saved me in Duels so much only because of the "Put on Top of Deck" Effect. Especially in my Lightsworn Duels where i am about to win, no cards in my Deck, Plaguespreader in my Graveyard.

[El Majishan]

I just like the fact hew does so much more than Gale and can be use for a variety of reasons like Grave control, double Synchro to push for game, and the occasional tribute summon. Yes, using him for a tribute summon is not the ideal move but I like the fact the option is available to me if I find myself in a bad position.

[RAEGING D0GKING]

I luv Gale <3

[Manjoume Thunder]

I just like the fact hew does so much more than Gale and can be use for a variety of reasons like Grave control' date=' double Synchro to push for game, and the occasional tribute summon. Yes, using him for a tribute summon is not the ideal move but I like the fact the option is available to me if I find myself in a bad position.

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Your missing the point. Most decks don't need grave control, bad fodders, etc ... This makes PSZ useless in them, thus not a staple.

[Tronta]

i disagree that neither are staples. i believe either are stapleworthy. why? because stapling one on to a deck opens a free 15 card toolbox.

[Canadian]

[/obvious fact warning].

 

Gale is amazing in blackwing decks! PSZ can be tech'd into alot of other decks!

 

[/srs'd]

 

Having PSZ be in the Graveyard can really help you out when you need it. Personally, he's the best Tuner IMO.

[Parion555]

I just like the fact hew does so much more than Gale and can be use for a variety of reasons like Grave control' date=' double Synchro to push for game, and the occasional tribute summon. Yes, using him for a tribute summon is not the ideal move but I like the fact the option is available to me if I find myself in a bad position.

[/quote']

 

Your missing the point. Most decks don't need grave control, bad fodders, etc ... This makes PSZ useless in them, thus not a staple.

 

Okay but you are missing a Point as well.Gale even though almost Unstoppable in Blackwing Decks,lacks that use in many other Decks.What i am trying to say is Gale is a powerful 1300 ATK Monster with one Great Capability but PSZ opens up a new World of Synchro Possibilities.So you will do a Black Rose or Armor Master with Gale big Deal,look at PSZ and what he is doing.With him you can make an easy Goyo,an easy Stardust,maybe sometimes you will need him for a Tribute for something good like Caius and maybe sometimes you will just need a Card on the Top of your Deck to save you.That is the Difference between Gale and PSZ or let me put it more easily like this:

 

Gale=Black Rose Dragon/Armor Master

PSZ=Goyo/Stardust/Tribute/Card on Top of Deck/One more Monster on the field to toy around with like with Spell or trap Cards

 

And let me put 1 more thing i played Lightsworn once with no cards in my Deck,Judgment and a worthless Trap card in my hand and PSZ in my Graveyard.My opponent was on 400.I Summoned judgment,activated his Effect he activated Torrential Tribute as a Chain.There was nothing on the Field and who do you think saved me then?that's right PSZ.

 

I think i have said enough.

[ihop]

Gale and PSZ are good in their own ways.

I would say Gale wins it for the second effect, but PSZ is more splashable.

And Mist Valley Soldier is not in the class of these 2.

[BehindTheMask]

The two have completely different functions...didn't we agree this the last time?

[Parion555]

Okay i am just saying where Gale exceeds with Power PSZ exceeds with Possibilities.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

You can't compare a lvl 3 tuner to a lvl 2 and expect to get a result. If at all possible, everyone would run both because one is lvl 3 and the other is lvl 2 and both are fantastic.

[Parion555]

You can't compare a lvl 3 tuner to a lvl 2 and expect to get a result. If at all possible' date=' everyone would run both because one is lvl 3 and the other is lvl 2 and both are fantastic.

[/quote']

 

Yes but here we are saying who is better we all know that both are extremely playable.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

You can't compare a lvl 3 tuner to a lvl 2 and expect to get a result. If at all possible' date=' everyone would run both because one is lvl 3 and the other is lvl 2 and both are fantastic.

[/quote']

 

Yes but here we are saying who is better we all know that both are extremely playable.

 

My entire point is you can't figure that out since they are both extremely playable and noone would want to exclude one or the other if they had the choice. Even ignoring that, they are each different lvls, which makes the entire arguement void because they are used for entirely different monsters and purposes.

 

Plague is more splashable since it doesn't matter what type of deck you run he's good. Gale is less splashable and it's a lvl 3, a very needed tuner but has a harder time going for lvl 8's and 6's; however, Gale has the fantastic shrink effect that allows itself to kill 2600 or less ATK monsters and countless others if you have something else on the field.

 

The bottom line is that you can't really compare the two because they have entirely different purposes: Plague is for synchro power and grave control; Gale is for tech power and the BW synchros. Please tell me how you can compare those two.

[Parion555]

You can't compare a lvl 3 tuner to a lvl 2 and expect to get a result. If at all possible' date=' everyone would run both because one is lvl 3 and the other is lvl 2 and both are fantastic.

[/quote']

 

Yes but here we are saying who is better we all know that both are extremely playable.

 

My entire point is you can't figure that out since they are both extremely playable and noone would want to exclude one or the other if they had the choice. Even ignoring that, they are each different lvls, which makes the entire arguement void because they are used for entirely different monsters and purposes.

 

Plague is more splashable since it doesn't matter what type of deck you run he's good. Gale is less splashable and it's a lvl 3, a very needed tuner but has a harder time going for lvl 8's and 6's; however, Gale has the fantastic shrink effect that allows itself to kill 2600 or less ATK monsters and countless others if you have something else on the field.

 

The bottom line is that you can't really compare the two because they have entirely different purposes: Plague is for synchro power and grave control; Gale is for tech power and the BW synchros. Please tell me how you can compare those two.

 

Okay i can't compare them just saying that PSZ is playable in many Decks which utilize Grave Control and Gale is actually good in Blackwing and of course if you have Card to Protect him not just let him die out the 1st turn.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

Those are the two purposes of Gale and Plague, if you want to add some to them, go right ahead, but that cover's their uses in any deck.

[Parion555]

Well yep that does cover up everything.I guess what i am trying to say all along is that i like PSZ better because i played it 2 years in a row in my Lightsworn Deck.