snake101 Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------monsters(20)1x Exodia the Forbidden One1x left leg of exodia1x left arm of exodia1x right leg of exodia1x right arm of exodia1x Summoner Monk3x Royal Magical Library2x destiny hero diamond dude2x destiny hero malicious2x DH- plasma2x DH- Dogma3x blue eyes toon dragon spells(20)3x trade in1x Allure of Darkness3x Toon Table of Contents1x Heavy Storm3x Upstart Goblin3x Hand Destruction1x Destiny Draw3x pot of duality1x DWD1x dark eruption comments welcomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 ...OK, what is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Wolf Sif Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 You mean that IT CAN BE a first turn kill right?its all is based off of The Magical Library so if someone uses Chain Disappearance it's that much harder to win that way. Other words all Magical Library's are removed from play. Secret Village of the Spellcasters Could halt the drawing of Exodia immeaditely in this deck. You can't always count on those "Perfect Hands". In other words there is too many possabilitys to stop this deck instently.Other words add more traps then Mirrior Force all right. it's a good idea but to easy to shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabber2033 Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Cup of Ace is too risky. -3 Cup+2 DWD+1 Gold Sarcophagus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Other words add more traps then Mirrior Force all right. it's a good idea but to easy to shut down. Traps are a bad idea in this Deck. If you don't win in the first 2 turns it's game over. Broken Bamboo Sword at 2 and Golden Bamboo Sword at 3. Bamboo Sword can be just good at racking up Spell Counters and Golden Sword is a nice +1. Plus, is you run trunade instead of Heavy Storm, you'll also get to recycle the Broken ones for more counters. To fit all that in. -2 Diamon Dude (You really won't get the use of them that you'd like)-2 Malicious- Allure or -3 Cup of Ace-2 Malicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted June 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 well first of all it don't need library to go off it just makes it easier to pull off. malicious is needed cuz it can thin out the deck as well and is used with d draw and the DWD the cup of ace is in here intil the next set comes out cuz theirs a spell card that allows you to look at the top three cards of your deck and add one to your hand and if i'm going to replace any card with those cards it'd be diamond dudes and cup of aceas far as gold goes its to slow for what the deck is trying to doas far as traps go no cuz it slows the deck downand summoner monk can also get library to the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Thunder Dragon is better for thinning, and it's two useless cards for Hand Desruction too, as well as for anything else. Bear in mind once you have 1 Bamboo Sword you've got three +1's you can play as soon as you draw them (only one you don't have to discard for), plus you're speeding through the Deck anyway so you've got a high chace of running into the Broken one. I ran this and it was easily the best part of the Deck :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 volcanic shells are sexy for +1's. dont use gold sarco.. like ever. not in ftks. who suggested that? ugh. this is the worst format imaginable for the destiny engine. stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted June 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 its not a destiny engine its a RML engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 RML is 3 cards in a deck, not the main draw card. You're supposed to treat RML as additional draw with all the main draw being spell form. This deck has 21 potential dead draws and you're too likely to draw an opening hand of monsters then continue to draw monsters for a few turns. You need deck thin and draw that's useful as soon as you draw it so the deck needs to play less monsters and more spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 there is definitely a destiny engine in this deck, you dolt. i spy allure, ddraw, tradein with dogma, plasma and mali.theres no other reason to run funking dogma or plasma in this sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted June 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 i could have used any other lv eight monsters a destiny draw engine i would think would be using 3 d draws which obviously can't and their is other reasons like i could possibly idk summon them to block if need be and ok i need less monsters ok so lets take out toon dragon and dogmas and plasmas o wait i need them for the fing draw cards thats right and yes RML is only 3 cards but don't forget one theirs a ton of draw power here so i can draw into it and i also got summoner monk to bring it out as well.and if i get ride of more monsters than more often i'll have to discard spells for DWD and hand destruction which i don't want to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 i could have used any other lv eight monsters a destiny draw engine i would think would be using 3 d draws which obviously can't and their is other reasons like i could possibly idk summon them to block if need besummoning dogma in this deck is a bad play no matter how you look at it. the rare exception is if' date=' god save your opponent, you manage to dogma on an empty field and attack/burn for game. in which case you need to stop playing billy decks. oh, and if you're adding cards for the hypothetical turn two, you need to stop playing ftk decks. because you clearly don't know how. the fact of the matter is you're running 8 destiny heroes with 1 allure and 1 ddraw. this is a waste of cards. putting in half a destiny engine is funking retarded.[/b'] and ok i need less monsters ok so lets take out toon dragon and dogmas and plasmas o wait i need them for the fing draw cards thats right there are plenty of different, more consistent draw engines for this meta. synchro exodia comes to mind, as well as funking bamboo sword. you could even run veil+heart more effectively than this. the only viable reason you have to run all of these meathead cards is for tradein, and thats only 3 cards. exodia is designed to draw through your entire deck, so you've basically resigned yourself to 11-3-1-1 = 6 cards that are immediately dead once they hit your hand. you can pitch them for hand dest and dwd of course, but planning a deck with cards designed to be discarded because they are otherwise useless is idiotic. now i've been trying to be nice by telling you that the main engine you're running in this deck isn't going to work, and you responded with idiocy and sarcasm. not really a wise move when i'm trying to help you. simple point is, this deck sucks balls for this format. try waiting for allure and ddraw to be semi'd or unlimited (god save us) or switching to a different draw engine. and yes RML is only 3 cards but don't forget one theirs a ton of draw power here so i can draw into it and i also got summoner monk to bring it out as well.and if i get ride of more monsters than more often i'll have to discard spells for DWD and hand destruction which i don't want to do fix your sentence structure, i have no idea what you're saying.although i get the vague gist that you're trying argue that you need dead draw monsters for dwd (which is bad) and hand destruction (which will single handedly lose you the game with it's -1's). this is a stupid argument. rather than have 9 cards that are useless no matter when you draw them, try running spells that might only be useless situationally, so you can pitch those when you don't need them and use them when you do. a great example is the bamboo swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted June 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 veil is to slow and would probably be destroyedand omg how many times do i have to say that most of the d hero monsters here aren't for just allure and d draw theirs also trade inand DWD and cup of ace won't be in here when the next set is released becuase theirs suppose to be a spell from what i hear that allows you to look at the top 3 cards of your deck and add one to your hand.and toon dragon also works with toon table to. and this deck can go through the entire deck in one turn and preatty consitently to and ya i could get alot of bad draws but thats why i would randomize the deck after each round to limit that and i usually don't get bad hands by the wayand ya DWD is that great of a card but if their was another draw spell i could think of i'd use itand i never said i would sommon dogma or plasma i just said i could and as far as second turns go FTK decks don't always go off on the first turn no matter how good they are and all the cards i use can be used at some point and with all the drawing/ searching its going to be more often than notand what i was getting at with the whole lets get ride of plasma etc is that if i did get ride of more monsters the draw cards you've been criticizing would be come less useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 mali and diamond dude arent tradeinable. and i already explained how even with tradein, you're still looking at 9 dead cards. 11 dheroes+toondragon, -3 tradein, -1 allure, -1 ddraw = 6. good gret cant you read or count? the card you're thinking of is "pot of duality" and it is a good card. include it. randomizing the deck does not limit dead draws. you clearly don't understand statistics or basic logic. every possible hand has an equal probability of being drawn, with some weights thrown in for multiple copies of a given card. every single card has an equal probability of being drawn each turn or by any draw card, with the same weights as before included. by this logic, it is evident that no matter how much you randomize your deck, drawing 6 dheroes and nothing else. go ahead and play your diamond dude, mill the top card and look as the left leg gets shuffled to the bottom of your deck because that's how random works. you actually previously implied you would summon them, so shut up. i dont feel like quoting. dwd is mediocre at best. there are better options. like nothing. an ftk deck that doesnt succeed first turn has failed in it's primary focus, and must be remodeled to eliminate the consistency problems that caused it to fail. the alternative is remodeling it to survive a multi-turn game. what you have hear is an ftk deck that will fall flat on it's face if it fails to win first turn. and i daresay you havent tested this enough if you are getting consistent ftks. that, or my entire career of running jabroni ftk decks and all the experience that comes with it has been nullified by this pile of crap. i'm done arguing. its sheet. and so is your grammar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted June 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 i never said mali was trade in able or dimond dude and u say they can only be used with 6 draw cards well your sadly mistaken becuase even though DWD is definatly not the best card in the world they can still be used with that and i know they can be used with hand destruction to and u say get ride of DWD well i already said i was going to when that new card comes out and if i take DWD out now i have to replace it or the decks incomplete in case u didn't realize that. and no matter what u think all FTK decks will eventually not go off first turn so clearly u thinking other wise shows u weren't thinking.and i know how random works and i never fing said DWD is the best card for drawing and i said i could summon them not i would learn to read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 It's true that FTK decks don't always work on your first turn. unfortunatly, I can't see this EVER working on your first turn. You, sir, have failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted June 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 well it actually does and i know that the deck list does look like its just a mess but its actually not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 ...Let's see, which obvious problems shall I point out? Tronta did most of them, yet you ignored him...OK, why the crap do you have a Mirror Force? If you FTK, your opponent isn't going to have a chance to attack. As Tronta said, if you need to prepare for a SECOND turn in a FIRST turn kill deck, you really need to get better, or get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted June 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 i thought i took the mirror force out on here my badand why complain about one fing DWD seriously its only one and u made a huge fing deal about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 part of an ftk deck is that every single card matters much more than in any other kind of deck. every single topdeck can change the flow of the game for better or for worse. also, i'm done helping you.you suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 -2 Mali-2 DDude+2 DWD+2 Broken Bamboo-3 Cup of Ace+3 Golden Bamboo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake101 Posted June 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 cup of ace has been replaced with pot of duality instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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