[M.D.] Das Futurekind : Modified to be Unlimited

[Max Darkness]

The original version of this card was concluded to be either Limited, or more likely, Forbidden. I've made some changes to hopefully make it less powerful.

 

 

Effect: This card cannot be Normal Summoned except by removing from play any number of non-Token monsters you control. This card's original ATK becomes equal to the number of monsters removed to Summon it x 1000. This card is also treated as a DARK monster while face-up on the field and while removed from play. This Attack Position card cannot be destroyed by battle and any Battle Damage this card inflicts to your opponent is reduced to 0. This card cannot attack your opponent directly. When this card battles, you can reduce this card's original ATK in multiples of 1000 before damage calculation, until the End Phase. If you do, at the end of the Damage Step, remove cards from the top of your opponent's Deck from play equal to the multiples of 1000 ATK reduced by this card's effect.

[ImmortalD]

Wow. I see no fault in this.

 

10/10

[Max Darkness]

Thanks. Looks like I managed it.

[~Riku~]

Congrats!

 

A card that's insanely powerful and awesome without being OP'd or banworthy!

 

Ich liebe es! 10/10

[Max Darkness]

Thanks for the rate.

[♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥]

I do not see the need for it to be Level 10, but that is nothing too serious. Good job.

[da butler]

i would buy that any day!!

[Lexadin]

Nice I can see that you've finally listened to me.

 

1 thing though, becouse it cannot inflict any battle damage, the part where it "cannot attack your opponent directly" is unnessary.

 

A 9.3/10

[♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥]

1 thing though' date=' becouse it cannot inflict any battle damage, the part where it "cannot attack your opponent directly" is unnessary.

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Wrong, because you can attack another monster, and the difference (if applicable) can get inflicted to your opponent as a result of battle.

[Lexadin]

1 thing though' date=' becouse it cannot inflict any battle damage, the part where it "cannot attack your opponent directly" is unnessary.

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Wrong, because you can attack another monster, and the difference (if applicable) can get inflicted to your opponent as a result of battle.

 

I know, but becouse it cannot inflict battle damage, attacking directly would be usseless, becouse your opponent wouldn't recieve any damage.

Making my statement right.

[♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥]

This Attack Position card cannot be destroyed by battle and any Battle Damage this card inflicts to your opponent is reduced to 0.

 

I'll give you however long you need to understand that effect.

[Lexadin]

Yes, that effect says that it basicly cannot inflict battle damage. And a direct attack is a form of battle damage so attacking directly would do absolutely nothing. So the no-direct-att part is unneeded.

[♥ ЅϯᵲåώӀӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ ♥]

Certain effects activate when a monster of yours declares a direct attack. If you removed the "This card cannot attack your opponent directly." from the effect, those effects would apply. He explicitly chose to include it to prevent you from being able to declare such attack and activate any said effect(s).

 

Think about it carefully, and you will understand what I mean.

 

Even if you would inflict zero damage to your opponent, you can still command your monster to attack your opponent regardless, if you wanted to activate any card effects elsewhere. Having that would prevent it altogether.

[Lexadin]

Oh damm! You're so right. I forgot all about it's other effect's. *facepalms* Yeah, then it's effect is perfect.

[Guest Lily]

Yeah... Hate to break it to you guys, but it's underpowered in today's game. And here you are, discussing whether it's balanced or not. xD

 

Reason as to why it's underpowered? It's more helpful to the opponent than you. Let's see... Let's say you spend 3 monsters on this. You've wasted 3 monsters (-3) for 1 (-2) but you've wasted your Normal Summon. Wow that sucks.

 

Now, let's go on. 0 Damage Calc ruined any chance this card had at being balanced. Being destroyed by battle is eh, since your opponent is going to get rid of it with a Smashing or something like that anyway. No direct attacking also made it suck.

 

And the last part. You're helping your opponent thin their Deck. The person that is thinning their Deck is getting access to more cards, so you just help them AGAIN. Most players have a solution to RFG'd cards anyway.

 

So yeah.

[Max Darkness]

Thanks all for rating. I'll try to clarify a few things.

 

 

1 thing though' date=' becouse it cannot inflict any battle damage, the part where it "cannot attack your opponent directly" is unnessary.

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Alongside what Strawberry said, the reason I put that in is to stop you from attacking directly and reducing its ATK from 4000 or 3000 to 0, thus milling 3 or 4 cards from your opponent's Deck and still causing no damage.

 

 

 

Reason as to why it's underpowered? It's more helpful to the opponent than you. Let's see... Let's say you spend 3 monsters on this. You've wasted 3 monsters (-3) for 1 (-2) but you've wasted your Normal Summon. Wow that sucks.

 

I admit that making it use up your Normal Summon is a problem' date=' but if I made it a Special Summon, I would have had to cut its power even more to justify its effects.

 

 

Now, let's go on. 0 Damage Calc ruined any chance this card had at being balanced. Being destroyed by battle is eh, since your opponent is going to get rid of it with a Smashing or something like that anyway. No direct attacking also made it suck.

 

It's not supposed to be a beatstick. It's an RFP Miller. Therefore, it has no reason to inflict damage to your opponent. Also, with "Spirit Barrier" or "The Sanctuary in the Sky" on the field, you won't be taking damage anyway. It's designed to remain on the field for as long as possible and destroy as much of your opponent's Deck as it can before being obliterated by a card effect.

 

And the restriction on direct attacking is to stop you from milling at least 2 cards per turn from your opponent's Deck, alongside their drawing. If it was able to attack directly with 3000 ATK, it would only take 10 turns (on its own, so not coupled with "Needle Worm", "Warm Worm" or "Assault on GHQ") to empty your opponent's Deck.

 

 

And the last part. You're helping your opponent thin their Deck. The person that is thinning their Deck is getting access to more cards' date=' so you just help them AGAIN. Most players have a solution to RFG'd cards anyway.

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Thinning and Milling are two different things. This can, if used correctly, be a very powerful milling machine that could RFP your opponent's trump cards with ease. Also, losing at least 1 card per turn while this thing is face-up in addition to drawing will only thin their Deck if they can ensure their best cards are not in harm's way, ie by drawing them before this RFPs them.

 

And even if they can secure their best cards, the loss of the support cards and staples will severely hinder their strategy.

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Since when was I discussing with Lexadin about the balance of this card?

 

I was just showing him how he had the wrong idea about a portion of its card effect. That's all.

 

My original post was above, talking about how it shouldn't be Level 10, but had no opinion on anything else about it, since I didn't think it needed much anything else.

[Max Darkness]

My original post was above' date=' talking about how it shouldn't be Level 10, but had no opinion on anything else about it, since I didn't think it needed much anything else.

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Do you think it should be Level 8 instead?

[Max Darkness]

Any other comments?