Official Religion Discussion Thread

[Huntar!]

I love the way you put that, Polaris. And the picture of poop really got the point across. Good show.

[Ghoulish]

 

@Max: Catholicism is Christianity whether you want to believe it or not.

 

Sure' date=' their ideals are different, but they still worship Christ and God. Which, makes them Christian. That's what Christianity is, the worshiping of Christ and God. And if I read your post correctly, you said Christ is God. He's not. He never has been and never will be. He's a demigod yes, but God no. God is God, derp. (this is all assuming God exists)

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thakyou, i agree 100%, the bible says this, You believe then you're a christian, not if you never lie or if you never steal. Catholicsm, Protasten and others that believe in god are simply branches of the same tree that is christianity

[Dark]

Guys' date=' it's really quite simple.

 

Can't prove the physical existence of God and/or post-death events, can't disprove the physical existence of God and/or post-death events. Solution: Agnosticism! Agnostics believe God, etc, etc, etc, etc, and etc MIGHT exist, and so the holy Agnostics couldn't possibly be wrong.

 

Think about it.

 

If I had to pick a side of the fence though, I'd rather be wrong in having hope of salvation and assistance from a higher power of apparent righteousness whom I'd put my trust in than be right in telling those that do that they're wrong.

 

Atheists are basically party-poopers.

 

[img']http://vscorps.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/poop.gif[/img]

 

Whatever makes you happy! ^____^

 

If god actually was a happy, nice, not-an-ass being he is always depicted as, I don't think he should have any problem with us questioning his existence, seeing as he gave us free will and hasn't provided proof in any way, shape, or form.

 

You can't prove/disprove anything, but it's not up to me to disprove the afterlife or disprove god's existence. I didn't claim anything, but rather, I am opposing a previously-made claim. So that one caveman-religious person (or anyone who believes him) that made up god better as hell provide proof, otherwise I want to be that invisible frog. Or invisible dragon. I like dragon better.

 

im not a prty pupr D:

 

Okay, maybe the suicide part was a bit extreme, but if there's no point to life, then why live it?

 

But if you're asking me SHOULD religion influence government affairs? Well I say no, but since the main laws that society obeys are based off of the ten commandments, I say that they are anyway. But religion is still a way to control people, so I guess the government is controlling the people by using religious laws in its own system to keep order. Good job for them, doing what a government should.

 

And Dark, you may have strong opinions, but you won't know if there's actually an afterlife until you die. So you'll have to wait and see.

 

That doesn't make any sense; there is no point to life, but not everyone in the world is committing suicide. You don't need a reason to live, basically, although religion falsely provides one.

 

Laws are not based off of the Ten Commandments at all, nor is the society bound by them. I'll give you the no stealing and no killing one, but where does it say you must only pray/believe in that one guy of the father tied to a metal cross in Azaroth? That isn't a law, nor does society have to follow it. That is Christianity.

 

It doesn't matter. Proof does not exist that an afterlife is real, and it does not exist until proof is given.

[M.B X]

It doesn't matter what is your religion, as long as believe in God :)

 

Ask your self this, who made this wonderful world we live in, have you ever got out of the house and looked around?!!

[Azmodius]

It doesn't matter what is your religion' date=' as long as believe in God :)

 

Ask your self this, who made this wonderful world we live in, have you ever got out of the house and looked around?!!

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Evolution and Mankind.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

If god actually was a happy' date=' nice, not-an-ass being he is always depicted as, I don't think he should have any problem with us questioning his existence, seeing as he gave us free will and hasn't provided proof in any way, shape, or form.

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Exactly.

 

Well, religion doesn't need god at all. It only needs heaven and hell, things which bind men in a good way.

The only good thing religion does to the world is stopping people from abiding the law, or otherwise doing things you shouldn't do.

In that form I respect all forms of relegion. However, like Dark said, if god was really so good, he wouldn't care whether I said he existed or not.

 

Therefore, I am giving you guys a

[Huntar!]

That doesn't make any sense; there is no point to life' date=' but not everyone in the world is committing suicide. You don't need a reason to live, basically, although religion falsely provides one.

 

Laws are not based off of the Ten Commandments at all, nor is the society bound by them. I'll give you the no stealing and no killing one, but where does it say you must only pray/believe in that one guy of the father tied to a metal cross in Azaroth? That isn't a law, nor does society have to follow it. That is Christianity.

 

It doesn't matter. Proof does not exist that an afterlife is real, and it does not exist until proof is given.

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You can't prove there's no point to life, you can't prove religion falsely provides one.

 

The laws are, actually. But there's the whole "people need freedom of religion" factor that plays in there that changed things a little bit.

[Silas Angel]

 

@Max: Catholicism is Christianity whether you want to believe it or not.

 

Sure' date=' their ideals are different, but they still worship Christ and God. Which, makes them Christian. That's what Christianity is, the worshiping of Christ and God. And if I read your post correctly, you said Christ is God. He's not. He never has been and never will be. He's a demigod yes, but God no. God is God, derp. (this is all assuming God exists)

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thakyou, i agree 100%, the bible says this, You believe then you're a christian, not if you never lie or if you never steal. Catholicsm, Protestant and others that believe in god are simply branches of the same tree that is christianity

 

Their ideals are not the only thing different. Their deities are too, that was the point of my message. And maadd1, I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to what the Bible says and doesn't say. If you think it says that, then please quote it. Show me it says that. I will show you my point by my proof as well. Catholicism is a lying sect of Christianity, if you're still gonna call it Christian. It's apostate, dead, not Christian, if you really knew what Christian was.

[Eury]

 

@Max: Catholicism is Christianity whether you want to believe it or not.

 

Sure' date=' their ideals are different, but they still worship Christ and God. Which, makes them Christian. That's what Christianity is, the worshiping of Christ and God. And if I read your post correctly, you said Christ is God. He's not. He never has been and never will be. He's a demigod yes, but God no. God is God, derp. (this is all assuming God exists)

[/quote']

 

thakyou, i agree 100%, the bible says this, You believe then you're a christian, not if you never lie or if you never steal. Catholicsm, Protestant and others that believe in god are simply branches of the same tree that is christianity

 

Their ideals are not the only thing different. Their deities are too, that was the point of my message. And maadd1, I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to what the Bible says and doesn't say. If you think it says that, then please quote it. Show me it says that. I will show you my point by my proof as well. Catholicism is a lying sect of Christianity, if you're still gonna call it Christian. It's apostate, dead, not Christian, if you really knew what Christian was.

 

Chris·ti·an·i·ty

   /ˌkrɪstʃiˈænɪti/ [kris-chee-an-i-tee]

–noun, plural -ties.

1.

the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.

 

Chris·tian

   /ˈkrɪstʃən/ Show Spelled[kris-chuhn]

–adjective

1.

of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.

2.

of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.

 

kthxbai

[Dark]

Isn't Max C. the one who agreed with me earlier that Catholicism was Christianity?

 

Or was that Christianity is Judaism? Both are true, either way.

 

It doesn't matter what is your religion' date=' as long as believe in God :)

 

Ask your self this, who made this wonderful world we live in, have you ever got out of the house and looked around?!!

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Well, some contractor built my house. I'm pretty sure the guys at the EPA planted some trees. Not sure about the sky, maybe it was the Blue Food Coloring God.

 

Some Buddhists don't believe in god, yet they are still part of a religion.

 

That doesn't make any sense; there is no point to life' date=' but not everyone in the world is committing suicide. You don't need a reason to live, basically, although religion falsely provides one.

 

Laws are not based off of the Ten Commandments at all, nor is the society bound by them. I'll give you the no stealing and no killing one, but where does it say you must only pray/believe in that one guy of the father tied to a metal cross in Azaroth? That isn't a law, nor does society have to follow it. That is Christianity.

 

It doesn't matter. Proof does not exist that an afterlife is real, and it does not exist until proof is given.

[/quote']

 

You can't prove there's no point to life, you can't prove religion falsely provides one.

 

The laws are, actually. But there's the whole "people need freedom of religion" factor that plays in there that changed things a little bit.

 

Sure, I can't prove there is no point to life. But any proposed point doesn't make sense, nor can it be reflected upon the total population. Hell, I can say that I am living in this world right now to kill everybody. That is my point to live, hmm? If I don't fulfill that task, I will have failed my reason to live in this world. Line up, I have a guillotine. <_<

 

Religion provides "live, do good, and go to heaven; live, do bad, and be reincarnated as some bug or go to hell". So naturally, the reason to live from a religious standpoint is to do good and go to heaven. Doing good is fine; that is why religion was created. But heaven is just a false hope. If I told you that if you'd paint my house, I'd give you a million dollars, would you do it? Sure, you'd paint my house (or at least if you were sane) which would take less than a day, and become rich in the process. And then, when it is time for payment, I flee to Europe. You don't get paid, yet you still painted my house. That is what religion is, only the payment (is a lie) is heaven, and painting a house are good deeds.

 

I don't need to prove heaven is false, because as I said before, it is not my burden. Unless, of course, you want to prove that I am not an invisible dragon. Then I might feel compelled to prove heaven doesn't exist.

 

The founding fathers did not base the Constitution on the Ten Commandments, nor does society today follow the Ten Commandments via the law.

 

I'm not sure of the official list of the Ten Commandments, so I just used Wikipedia.

 

I am the Lord your God

 

No, there is no law saying that the God depicted in the Bible is our Lord.

 

You shall have no other gods before me

 

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't even believe in you, Mr. God. Especially in America, where religions are becoming increasingly diverse.

 

You shall not make for yourself an idol

 

Err... maybe Christian people don't make idols, but society as a whole could care less about this "rule". And there is no law saying that idols are taboo and you are going to hell if you make one.

 

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God

 

Saying "God damnit" is not against the law, nor will it ever be. Sure, it's offensive to those preists and super-religious people, but I can say it whenever the hell I want.

 

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy

 

A lot of people work on Sabbath (which is either Sunday or Saturday, idk), and no one is forced to go to Church (or any religious institution) on these days.

 

Honor your father and mother

 

Not a law, but still a correct moral. However, there is no law saying you should honor your parents, although it is normally practiced by most of society.

 

You shall not murder

 

Granted, this is a law, but I'm pretty sure that society as a whole knew that killing someone was bad and didn't copy/pasta it from the Ten Commandments. It takes the slightest bit of common sense to realize that murdering another is bad.

 

You shall not commit adultery

 

Refresh me on the definition of adultery, if you may. From what I understand, it is either premarital sex, or postmarital sex when a kid is not wanted. And neither of those are against the law.

 

You shall not steal

 

See: "You shall not murder."

 

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor

 

So you can't lie about your neighbor doing a crime, or something to that effect? Well, you aren't supposed to lie at all during a trial, so I guess we could count this commandment as a law, but in a very loose term.

 

You shall not covet your neighbor's wife

You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

 

Err... covet just means to want. And there is no law against wanting something, so long as you don't steal it.

[Ghoulish]

 

@Max: Catholicism is Christianity whether you want to believe it or not.

 

Sure' date=' their ideals are different, but they still worship Christ and God. Which, makes them Christian. That's what Christianity is, the worshiping of Christ and God. And if I read your post correctly, you said Christ is God. He's not. He never has been and never will be. He's a demigod yes, but God no. God is God, derp. (this is all assuming God exists)

[/quote']

 

thakyou, i agree 100%, the bible says this, You believe then you're a christian, not if you never lie or if you never steal. Catholicsm, Protestant and others that believe in god are simply branches of the same tree that is christianity

 

Their ideals are not the only thing different. Their deities are too, that was the point of my message. And maadd1, I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to what the Bible says and doesn't say. If you think it says that, then please quote it. Show me it says that. I will show you my point by my proof as well. Catholicism is a lying sect of Christianity, if you're still gonna call it Christian. It's apostate, dead, not Christian, if you really knew what Christian was.

 

Chris·ti·an·i·ty

   /ˌkrɪstʃiˈænɪti/ [kris-chee-an-i-tee]

–noun, plural -ties.

1.

the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.

 

Chris·tian

   /ˈkrɪstʃən/ Show Spelled[kris-chuhn]

–adjective

1.

of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.

2.

of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.

 

kthxbai

 

agreedd

[Silas Angel]

 

@Max: Catholicism is Christianity whether you want to believe it or not.

 

Sure' date=' their ideals are different, but they still worship Christ and God. Which, makes them Christian. That's what Christianity is, the worshiping of Christ and God. And if I read your post correctly, you said Christ is God. He's not. He never has been and never will be. He's a demigod yes, but God no. God is God, derp. (this is all assuming God exists)

[/quote']

 

thakyou, i agree 100%, the bible says this, You believe then you're a christian, not if you never lie or if you never steal. Catholicsm, Protestant and others that believe in god are simply branches of the same tree that is christianity

 

Their ideals are not the only thing different. Their deities are too, that was the point of my message. And maadd1, I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to what the Bible says and doesn't say. If you think it says that, then please quote it. Show me it says that. I will show you my point by my proof as well. Catholicism is a lying sect of Christianity, if you're still gonna call it Christian. It's apostate, dead, not Christian, if you really knew what Christian was.

 

Chris·ti·an·i·ty

   /ˌkrɪstʃiˈænɪti/ [kris-chee-an-i-tee]

–noun, plural -ties.

1.

the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.

 

Chris·tian

   /ˈkrɪstʃən/ Show Spelled[kris-chuhn]

–adjective

1.

of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.

2.

of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.

 

kthxbai

 

agreedd

 

The standard of whether or not something is Christian is not what the world says about it, but what the Scriptures say about it. If the Scriptures call something Christian, it's Christian. But if it doesn't match up with that, then it is not Christian. So if you can prove that Catholicism is Christian based off of the Bible, then I will agree with you.

[Ghoulish]

right like how the scriptures say that if you believe in jesus you're a christian, catholics believe in jesus (the same jesus), ""For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life", in other words you're a christian if youe believe catholics believe :. it's christian

[Silas Angel]

right like how the scriptures say that if you believe in jesus you're a christian' date=' catholics believe in jesus (the same jesus), ""For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life", in other words you're a christian if youe believe catholics believe :. it's christian

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That's not proof at all. I can say that Scientists have given life to dinosaurs but if I don't have any proof, no one would believe me. "But guys, they said they did. The scientists said that they gave life to dinosaurs." Seriously, if you can find anything in 1/2 Timothy, Titus, Corinthians, or even Revelations, I'll agree with you. But half a quote from John taken out of context does you no good.

[Eury]

Listen, you're ignorant as hell. Just thought I'd let you know that.

 

Catholicism is Christianity. Hell, Catholicism is the original Christianity.

 

Every other branch of Christianity came after Catholicism. Catholicism was first.

 

So, you saying Catholicism isn't Christianity is retarded.

[Ghoulish]

exactly, catholicm was the original christianity, it then got blown out of proportion with people having to pay, however they have alwas believed in god and jesus. It's like saying that 2 dogs of the same species are different because one prefers to eat meat, while the other prefers fruit, at the end of the day they are both dogs, the little differences are nothing compared to the big similarities.

[Silas Angel]

Listen' date=' you're ignorant as hell. Just thought I'd let you know that.

 

Catholicism [b']is[/b] Christianity. Hell, Catholicism is the original Christianity.

 

Every other branch of Christianity came after Catholicism. Catholicism was first.

 

So, you saying Catholicism isn't Christianity is retarded.

 

Historically, you're wrong. The apostolic church was the first church and Constantine put together the Catholic church when he moved a little bit of the church with other pagan beliefs. Besides, even if Catholicism was at one time Christian, it isn't now. That is my point, that the "church" now is not nearly Christian because none of their beliefs are Christian, but rather of pagan origin and of the devil.

[Eury]

Listen' date=' you're ignorant as hell. Just thought I'd let you know that.

 

Catholicism [b']is[/b] Christianity. Hell, Catholicism is the original Christianity.

 

Every other branch of Christianity came after Catholicism. Catholicism was first.

 

So, you saying Catholicism isn't Christianity is retarded.

 

Historically, you're wrong. The apostolic church was the first church and Constantine put together the Catholic church when he moved a little bit of the church with other pagan beliefs. Besides, even if Catholicism was at one time Christian, it isn't now. That is my point, that the "church" now is not nearly Christian because none of their beliefs are Christian, but rather of pagan origin and of the devil.

 

I love how you elaborate absolutely nothing and claim false things to be fact.

 

Paganism is the worshiping of Nature iirc. So, that argument goes flying out the window.

 

The Catholic Church worships God and Jesus, thus they are Christian. Chances are you're an Evangelist, which would explain a lot of you're idiotic arguments.

[Silas Angel]

Listen' date=' you're ignorant as hell. Just thought I'd let you know that.

 

Catholicism [b']is[/b] Christianity. Hell, Catholicism is the original Christianity.

 

Every other branch of Christianity came after Catholicism. Catholicism was first.

 

So, you saying Catholicism isn't Christianity is retarded.

 

Historically, you're wrong. The apostolic church was the first church and Constantine put together the Catholic church when he moved a little bit of the church with other pagan beliefs. Besides, even if Catholicism was at one time Christian, it isn't now. That is my point, that the "church" now is not nearly Christian because none of their beliefs are Christian, but rather of pagan origin and of the devil.

 

I love how you elaborate absolutely nothing and claim false things to be fact.

 

Paganism is the worshiping of Nature iirc. So, that argument goes flying out the window.

 

The Catholic Church worships God and Jesus, thus they are Christian. Chances are you're an Evangelist, which would explain a lot of you're idiotic arguments.

 

Evangelical maybe, but not an evangelist. And while they seem to worship "God and Jesus", their "Jesus" is far different then the Jesus of Scriptures. With their practice, they deny the very Jesus they claim.

[Ghoulish]

Listen' date=' you're ignorant as hell. Just thought I'd let you know that.

 

Catholicism [b']is[/b] Christianity. Hell, Catholicism is the original Christianity.

 

Every other branch of Christianity came after Catholicism. Catholicism was first.

 

So, you saying Catholicism isn't Christianity is retarded.

 

Historically, you're wrong. The apostolic church was the first church and Constantine put together the Catholic church when he moved a little bit of the church with other pagan beliefs. Besides, even if Catholicism was at one time Christian, it isn't now. That is my point, that the "church" now is not nearly Christian because none of their beliefs are Christian, but rather of pagan origin and of the devil.

 

Okay, let me start off by saying i was wrong you are exactly like basic extremists of religion who believe one thing and although proved wrong on several occasions, still believe that you and your opinions are fact. Saying the catholic church is the work of the devil is borderline stupid and in fact by saying that puts your own """"Seperate""""" Religion on the same level, heres basically what you're saying, If you're not a catholic but sin by lieing, envying, regreting, having impure thoughts and stealing etc. and still believe than you are a "christian" and are "saved", but if you are a catholic and perform the same acts and yet still believe, than you are the offspring of the devil... you make no sense mate

[Eury]

Listen' date=' you're ignorant as hell. Just thought I'd let you know that.

 

Catholicism [b']is[/b] Christianity. Hell, Catholicism is the original Christianity.

 

Every other branch of Christianity came after Catholicism. Catholicism was first.

 

So, you saying Catholicism isn't Christianity is retarded.

 

Historically, you're wrong. The apostolic church was the first church and Constantine put together the Catholic church when he moved a little bit of the church with other pagan beliefs. Besides, even if Catholicism was at one time Christian, it isn't now. That is my point, that the "church" now is not nearly Christian because none of their beliefs are Christian, but rather of pagan origin and of the devil.

 

I love how you elaborate absolutely nothing and claim false things to be fact.

 

Paganism is the worshiping of Nature iirc. So, that argument goes flying out the window.

 

The Catholic Church worships God and Jesus, thus they are Christian. Chances are you're an Evangelist, which would explain a lot of you're idiotic arguments.

 

Evangelical maybe, but not an evangelist. And while they seem to worship "God and Jesus", their "Jesus" is far different then the Jesus of Scriptures. With their practice, they deny the very Jesus they claim.

 

Jesus of Nazareth. That is the Jesus Catholicism worships.

 

Any further arguments?

[Ghoulish]

What is your definition of a christian Max C? Someone who believes in god and jesus and that they are saved becase of it? hmmm, the same thing catholics believe? strange...

[Dark]

maadd1 brings up a very fine point; define Christianity and the meaning of being a Christian.

 

Also, how the hell do you know that what the scriptures (presumably the Bible, or some other stupid religious text) say about Jesus are true? From what I recall, if Jesus existed, no one really liked him. So is there any reason to believe that what was written about him is undoubtably the truth?

[Huntar!]

Dark, I'd quote you but its too much to break down point by point.

 

Well I could prove you weren't an invisible dragon if you posted a picture of yourself, which you have yet to do, so kudos to you for being able to make a point.

 

It doesn't make sense to SAY that heaven is a lie, when you have no way to know that. Its not your burden? To do what? Believe in it? That sounds so difficult and hard for you, I don't know how billions of people do it these days.

 

And taking into consideration the "freedom of religion" and other rights we have in most democratic countries these days, it eliminates half of these from today's laws.

 

Adultery is cheating, once you're married. Or at least thats the modern definition.

 

Thou shall not covet your neighbors things, is more of a precaution. It nips things like adultery or stealing in the butt before they happen. But no one can fufill this these days.

[Eury]

Word Origin & History

 

adultery

"voluntary violation of the marriage bed," c.1300, avoutrie , from O.Fr. avoutrie, aoulterie , noun of condition from avoutre/aoutre , from L. adulterare "to corrupt" (see adulteration). Modern spelling, with the re-inserted -d- , is from early 15c. (see ad-). Classified as single adultery (with an unmarried person) and double adultery (with a married person). O.E. word was æwbryce "breach of law(ful marriage)." Adultery Dune in Arizona corresponds to Navajo sei adilehe "adultery sand" and was where illicit lovers met privately.

 

lolcopypasta

 

Cheating isn't adultery till you have voluntary intercourse with the person you're cheating with.

 

And taking into consideration the "freedom of religion" and other rights we have in most democratic countries these days, it eliminates half of these from today's laws.

 

I love how this is written into our constitution yet we still have Evangelists running about.