Official Religion Discussion Thread

[~Umbreon~]

...you're an idiot. Hitler never wanted supremacy of a religion. He wanted an extermination of a race.

 

He did want a mass extermination of Jewish people' date=' but I don't believe he wanted a Christian world. Then again, I'm not Hitler.

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Although most of the people he killed were Jewish, there were some Gypsies and Jehova Witnesses... But he wanted to make Germany a super power I believe.

 

I am proud to say I am Catholic. There are people at my Catholic school are atheists.

[Silas Angel]

 

"Behold the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger...Whoever is found will be thrust through and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes, their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished."

 

=D Thank you for posting this! I was looking for it for ages!

 

Also, my favorite verse of the Bible would have to be... =/ I don't have one.

[MarbleZone]

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know that my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee." *gunshots*

 

I don't think that's how it really is in the actual book, but the scene was pretty awesome.

 

On a more serious note, yes, the God of the Old Testament was very fond of large-scale catastrophes. I don't think there are any remotely similar warnings from the New Testament God, are there?

[Silas Angel]

"And I will strike down upon those with great vengeance and with furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know that my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee." *gunshots*

 

I don't think that's how it really is in the actual book' date=' but the scene was pretty awesome.

 

On a more serious note, yes, the God of the Old Testament was very fond of large-scale catastrophes. I don't think there are any remotely similar warnings from the New Testament God, are there?

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There are. In fact, the book of Revelation is entirely written about these warnings. When you read something about the mountains falling on top of people, it would've reminded the Jewish audience of an Old Testament passage that said the same thing. Or they would hear a small reference to some sort of destruction, and remember from an Old Testament passage that that wasn't the end of that destruction, that it only got worse. Example:

 

Revelation 6:12-17

 

"When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?""

 

Joel 2:30-32

 

"And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls."

 

So the answer to the question of the wicked who are being crushed in Revelation would be answered in Joel, "the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls." Or in "churchy" terms, the elect or the church.

[Moderately_Friendly]

Im catholic too. why does everyone hate on is? some people go on and say rude stuff like: " the difference between christians and catholics is that catholics NEVER go to church and christians practically live in thier church." it is uncountable about how many times I have hear THAT. I mean aren't we technically in the SAME religion?

[Dark]

Catholocism is a sect of Christianity, I thought. I don't know the core differences, but Catholics are Christians, y'know, with some minor changes due to sect variation.

 

I've read the Bible, and as long as you can understand it, it makes for a fairly good fiction story. However I dislike the fact that it is listed as a non-fiction book in most libraries.

[MarbleZone]

Perhaps that's due to it being proven that a fair number of characters actually existed, making it a history more than a story book. It's always going to be a controversial move as long as such a large number of people (and an institution as powerful as the Church) regards the events depicted in the Bible as factual. :/

[Silas Angel]

Im catholic too. why does everyone hate on is? some people go on and say rude stuff like: " the difference between christians and catholics is that catholics NEVER go to church and christians practically live in thier church." it is uncountable about how many times I have hear THAT. I mean aren't we technically in the SAME religion?

 

Well, I would also say that Catholics aren't Christian. But I would never say that that is the difference. The difference is in doctrine, in fact, all of their doctrine is wrong because their foundations are all wrong. Catholics agree that all men are sinful, but not that all men are evil and wicked and cannot earn salvation. Catholics agree that Jesus is God and the Son of God, but they deny God by also adding the deity of Mary and the praying of the Saints and the "headship" of the Pope in the church, whereas in Christianity we only pray to God and that Christ is the Head of the church. The Sacraments are done so that men can be saved, whereas Biblical Christianity says that only faith and repentance assures salvation. Catholics would say that absolution of sins is done by the priest, whereas in Biblical Christianity, Jesus Christ was the only Man on earth given the right to forgive sins. Catholics hold to Scripture + Traditions, Christ condemns man's traditions and upholds the authority of Scripture alone.

 

Those are the difference between Biblical Christianity and Catholicism =P

[Nexev]

Favorite religous verse

Samuel 18:25-27

 

And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.

And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired.

Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

 

It's so unshamefully violent, it lets you know that Christianity isn't just for show.

 

Real or not, if they do something, they do it big.

[Silas Angel]

So what do people know/think about Calvinism? =P (Just wanted to bump)

[Ghoulish]

Im catholic too. why does everyone hate on is? some people go on and say rude stuff like: " the difference between christians and catholics is that catholics NEVER go to church and christians practically live in thier church." it is uncountable about how many times I have hear THAT. I mean aren't we technically in the SAME religion?

 

Well' date=' I would also say that Catholics aren't Christian. But I would never say that that is the difference. The difference is in doctrine, in fact, all of their doctrine is wrong because their foundations are all wrong. Catholics agree that all men are sinful, but not that all men are evil and wicked and cannot earn salvation. Catholics agree that Jesus is God and the Son of God, but they deny God by also adding the deity of Mary and the praying of the Saints and the "headship" of the Pope in the church, whereas in Christianity we only pray to God and that Christ is the Head of the church. The Sacraments are done so that men can be saved, whereas Biblical Christianity says that only faith and repentance assures salvation. Catholics would say that absolution of sins is done by the priest, whereas in Biblical Christianity, Jesus Christ was the only Man on earth given the right to forgive sins. Catholics hold to Scripture + Traditions, Christ condemns man's traditions and upholds the authority of Scripture alone.

 

Those are the difference between Biblical Christianity and Catholicism =P

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yea catholics do believe that (I'm catholic) however from what i know of going to a catholic church close to all myy life, i know that they don't not worship god. Yes they pray to the saints in gratitude, but as far as i know not for salvation. As long as you believe in Jesus (so it is written) you will be saved, no matter what religion you are cause at the end of the day it makes up for any sin.

 

Am i a practicing catholic? nope, because I'm to much of a realist, everyone believes in a certain religion for their own personal reasons, but when people start believing in religion, recognizing they can't physically prove it, and then straight away deny the possible existance of things such as Ghosts or Aliens to exist, then i find it quite annoying as the very foundation of their beliefs is dependent on "faith"...just a thought though (not trying to get up anyone if i have, i apolagize in advance)

[LarvaeMothKaiba]

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html

 

I think god scored a few Monster kills there.

[Silas Angel]

Im catholic too. why does everyone hate on is? some people go on and say rude stuff like: " the difference between christians and catholics is that catholics NEVER go to church and christians practically live in thier church." it is uncountable about how many times I have hear THAT. I mean aren't we technically in the SAME religion?

 

Well' date=' I would also say that Catholics aren't Christian. But I would never say that that is the difference. The difference is in doctrine, in fact, all of their doctrine is wrong because their foundations are all wrong. Catholics agree that all men are sinful, but not that all men are evil and wicked and cannot earn salvation. Catholics agree that Jesus is God and the Son of God, but they deny God by also adding the deity of Mary and the praying of the Saints and the "headship" of the Pope in the church, whereas in Christianity we only pray to God and that Christ is the Head of the church. The Sacraments are done so that men can be saved, whereas Biblical Christianity says that only faith and repentance assures salvation. Catholics would say that absolution of sins is done by the priest, whereas in Biblical Christianity, Jesus Christ was the only Man on earth given the right to forgive sins. Catholics hold to Scripture + Traditions, Christ condemns man's traditions and upholds the authority of Scripture alone.

 

Those are the difference between Biblical Christianity and Catholicism =P

[/quote']

 

yea catholics do believe that (I'm catholic) however from what i know of going to a catholic church close to all myy life, i know that they don't not worship god. Yes they pray to the saints in gratitude, but as far as i know not for salvation. As long as you believe in Jesus (so it is written) you will be saved, no matter what religion you are cause at the end of the day it makes up for any sin.

 

I know they do not pray to the saints for salvation, but they still pray to the saints, which is wrong. They are not to put their trust in man, but the Lord alone. And there is only one Mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ. They deny God of what He deserves, when they pray to saints or Mary rather than His glorious Son.

 

And that is a popular belief, that as long as you believe in Jesus you're saved. But that is not true. Yes, it is written that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. And it is also written that if you believe you will receive eternal life. But Who you place your trust into is very very important, and this is the main problem. They worship and serve an altogether different Jesus than real Christianity. Jehovah's Witness serve a Jesus who isn't God, that is not Jesus the Christ. Mormon's serve a Jesus who is the brother of Satan and contradicts his Father's promises by adding another "Testament". And Catholics serve a Jesus who is fine with idolatry and sin and deceit and lies.

 

The real Jesus Christ is God, is not the brother of Satan, fulfilled the promises of the Father, and is the number 1 enemy of sin and idolatry because they are against His holy laws. The problem with Catholics is that they are "saved" through baptism, mass, and other unholy sacraments. They diminish the work of Christ by mixing their own works into Christ's death, saying things like, "Christ gives us some grace, and we work for the rest." They have a false Christ, a false God, and a false sense of security in their salvation.

 

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html

 

I think god scored a few Monster kills there.

 

That is by no means a complete list.

[Moderately_Friendly]

Im catholic too. why does everyone hate on is? some people go on and say rude stuff like: " the difference between christians and catholics is that catholics NEVER go to church and christians practically live in thier church." it is uncountable about how many times I have hear THAT. I mean aren't we technically in the SAME religion?

 

Well' date=' I would also say that Catholics aren't Christian. But I would never say that that is the difference. The difference is in doctrine, in fact, all of their doctrine is wrong because their foundations are all wrong. Catholics agree that all men are sinful, but not that all men are evil and wicked and cannot earn salvation. Catholics agree that Jesus is God and the Son of God, but they deny God by also adding the deity of Mary and the praying of the Saints and the "headship" of the Pope in the church, whereas in Christianity we only pray to God and that Christ is the Head of the church. The Sacraments are done so that men can be saved, whereas Biblical Christianity says that only faith and repentance assures salvation. Catholics would say that absolution of sins is done by the priest, whereas in Biblical Christianity, Jesus Christ was the only Man on earth given the right to forgive sins. Catholics hold to Scripture + Traditions, Christ condemns man's traditions and upholds the authority of Scripture alone.

 

Those are the difference between Biblical Christianity and Catholicism =P

[/quote']

 

yea catholics do believe that (I'm catholic) however from what i know of going to a catholic church close to all myy life, i know that they don't not worship god. Yes they pray to the saints in gratitude, but as far as i know not for salvation. As long as you believe in Jesus (so it is written) you will be saved, no matter what religion you are cause at the end of the day it makes up for any sin.

 

I know they do not pray to the saints for salvation, but they still pray to the saints, which is wrong. They are not to put their trust in man, but the Lord alone. And there is only one Mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ. They deny God of what He deserves, when they pray to saints or Mary rather than His glorious Son.

 

And that is a popular belief, that as long as you believe in Jesus you're saved. But that is not true. Yes, it is written that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. And it is also written that if you believe you will receive eternal life. But Who you place your trust into is very very important, and this is the main problem. They worship and serve an altogether different Jesus than real Christianity. Jehovah's Witness serve a Jesus who isn't God, that is not Jesus the Christ. Mormon's serve a Jesus who is the brother of Satan and contradicts his Father's promises by adding another "Testament". And Catholics serve a Jesus who is fine with idolatry and sin and deceit and lies.

 

The real Jesus Christ is God, is not the brother of Satan, fulfilled the promises of the Father, and is the number 1 enemy of sin and idolatry because they are against His holy laws. The problem with Catholics is that they are "saved" through baptism, mass, and other unholy sacraments. They diminish the work of Christ by mixing their own works into Christ's death, saying things like, "Christ gives us some grace, and we work for the rest." They have a false Christ, a false God, and a false sense of security in their salvation.

 

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html

 

I think god scored a few Monster kills there.

 

That is by no means a complete list.

wow i thought i was crazy religionist.

[Ghoulish]

Im catholic too. why does everyone hate on is? some people go on and say rude stuff like: " the difference between christians and catholics is that catholics NEVER go to church and christians practically live in thier church." it is uncountable about how many times I have hear THAT. I mean aren't we technically in the SAME religion?

 

Well' date=' I would also say that Catholics aren't Christian. But I would never say that that is the difference. The difference is in doctrine, in fact, all of their doctrine is wrong because their foundations are all wrong. Catholics agree that all men are sinful, but not that all men are evil and wicked and cannot earn salvation. Catholics agree that Jesus is God and the Son of God, but they deny God by also adding the deity of Mary and the praying of the Saints and the "headship" of the Pope in the church, whereas in Christianity we only pray to God and that Christ is the Head of the church. The Sacraments are done so that men can be saved, whereas Biblical Christianity says that only faith and repentance assures salvation. Catholics would say that absolution of sins is done by the priest, whereas in Biblical Christianity, Jesus Christ was the only Man on earth given the right to forgive sins. Catholics hold to Scripture + Traditions, Christ condemns man's traditions and upholds the authority of Scripture alone.

 

Those are the difference between Biblical Christianity and Catholicism =P

[/quote']

 

yea catholics do believe that (I'm catholic) however from what i know of going to a catholic church close to all myy life, i know that they don't not worship god. Yes they pray to the saints in gratitude, but as far as i know not for salvation. As long as you believe in Jesus (so it is written) you will be saved, no matter what religion you are cause at the end of the day it makes up for any sin.

 

I know they do not pray to the saints for salvation, but they still pray to the saints, which is wrong. They are not to put their trust in man, but the Lord alone. And there is only one Mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ. They deny God of what He deserves, when they pray to saints or Mary rather than His glorious Son.

 

And that is a popular belief, that as long as you believe in Jesus you're saved. But that is not true. Yes, it is written that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. And it is also written that if you believe you will receive eternal life. But Who you place your trust into is very very important, and this is the main problem. They worship and serve an altogether different Jesus than real Christianity. Jehovah's Witness serve a Jesus who isn't God, that is not Jesus the Christ. Mormon's serve a Jesus who is the brother of Satan and contradicts his Father's promises by adding another "Testament". And Catholics serve a Jesus who is fine with idolatry and sin and deceit and lies.

 

The real Jesus Christ is God, is not the brother of Satan, fulfilled the promises of the Father, and is the number 1 enemy of sin and idolatry because they are against His holy laws. The problem with Catholics is that they are "saved" through baptism, mass, and other unholy sacraments. They diminish the work of Christ by mixing their own works into Christ's death, saying things like, "Christ gives us some grace, and we work for the rest." They have a false Christ, a false God, and a false sense of security in their salvation.

 

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html

 

I think god scored a few Monster kills there.

 

That is by no means a complete list.

 

lol so let me get this straight...you believe in the bible and its teachings, and you say that the bible says that if you believe in god your saved and are titled "A Christian", but you then come up with something about trust being important. Not stealing, Loving one another, going to church everyweek, these are also very very important things, but just because you don't do them all practice these acts all the time does this mean you will perish? If you do steal and hate people does that mean you will perish? No, you need one thing to believe and have a relationship with god...that's not what i think it's just what it says. And which jesus is this that catholics worship? cause i went to a catholic church my whole life and we only prayed to 1 Jesus.

[LarvaeMothKaiba]

 

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html

 

I think god scored a few Monster kills there.

 

That is by no means a complete list.

Of course not.

 

But a big enough list, none the less.

[Dark]

I don't like pulling one quote out of a huge post, but it caught my eye first.

 

They are not to put their trust in man, but the Lord alone.

 

So if I jump off a cliff, will God save me? Assuming I believe in him and stuff.

[Ghoulish]

apparently from what i know of and learnt

[Silas Angel]

Im catholic too. why does everyone hate on is? some people go on and say rude stuff like: " the difference between christians and catholics is that catholics NEVER go to church and christians practically live in thier church." it is uncountable about how many times I have hear THAT. I mean aren't we technically in the SAME religion?

 

Well' date=' I would also say that Catholics aren't Christian. But I would never say that that is the difference. The difference is in doctrine, in fact, all of their doctrine is wrong because their foundations are all wrong. Catholics agree that all men are sinful, but not that all men are evil and wicked and cannot earn salvation. Catholics agree that Jesus is God and the Son of God, but they deny God by also adding the deity of Mary and the praying of the Saints and the "headship" of the Pope in the church, whereas in Christianity we only pray to God and that Christ is the Head of the church. The Sacraments are done so that men can be saved, whereas Biblical Christianity says that only faith and repentance assures salvation. Catholics would say that absolution of sins is done by the priest, whereas in Biblical Christianity, Jesus Christ was the only Man on earth given the right to forgive sins. Catholics hold to Scripture + Traditions, Christ condemns man's traditions and upholds the authority of Scripture alone.

 

Those are the difference between Biblical Christianity and Catholicism =P

[/quote']

 

yea catholics do believe that (I'm catholic) however from what i know of going to a catholic church close to all myy life, i know that they don't not worship god. Yes they pray to the saints in gratitude, but as far as i know not for salvation. As long as you believe in Jesus (so it is written) you will be saved, no matter what religion you are cause at the end of the day it makes up for any sin.

 

I know they do not pray to the saints for salvation, but they still pray to the saints, which is wrong. They are not to put their trust in man, but the Lord alone. And there is only one Mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ. They deny God of what He deserves, when they pray to saints or Mary rather than His glorious Son.

 

And that is a popular belief, that as long as you believe in Jesus you're saved. But that is not true. Yes, it is written that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. And it is also written that if you believe you will receive eternal life. But Who you place your trust into is very very important, and this is the main problem. They worship and serve an altogether different Jesus than real Christianity. Jehovah's Witness serve a Jesus who isn't God, that is not Jesus the Christ. Mormon's serve a Jesus who is the brother of Satan and contradicts his Father's promises by adding another "Testament". And Catholics serve a Jesus who is fine with idolatry and sin and deceit and lies.

 

The real Jesus Christ is God, is not the brother of Satan, fulfilled the promises of the Father, and is the number 1 enemy of sin and idolatry because they are against His holy laws. The problem with Catholics is that they are "saved" through baptism, mass, and other unholy sacraments. They diminish the work of Christ by mixing their own works into Christ's death, saying things like, "Christ gives us some grace, and we work for the rest." They have a false Christ, a false God, and a false sense of security in their salvation.

 

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html

 

I think god scored a few Monster kills there.

 

That is by no means a complete list.

 

lol so let me get this straight...you believe in the bible and its teachings' date=' and you say that the bible says that if you believe in god your saved and are titled "A Christian", but you then come up with something about trust being important. Not stealing, Loving one another, going to church everyweek, these are also very very important things, but just because you don't do them all practice these acts all the time does this mean you will perish? If you do steal and hate people does that mean you will perish? No, you need one thing to believe and have a relationship with god...that's not what i think it's just what it says. And which jesus is this that catholics worship? cause i went to a catholic church my whole life and we only prayed to 1 Jesus.

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I don't seem to understand what you're asking. But I'll answer to the best of my abilities: Like I said in my previous post, it's who you trust, not necessarily that you are trusting. One cannot be a Christian who trusts in an idol named Jesus, though is not the same Jesus Christ of the Bible. Yes, a Christian will not steal, will love the brothers, and will see the church oftentimes throughout the week. But this is where I'm getting confused, it's at your wording, but I don't blame you. I think you're asking me that if a person says they are a Christian, and steals and hates people, they would still be going to heaven because they believe and "have a relationship" with God. That isn't necessarily true, though. Those who do have a relationship with God, those who do believe, those who are born-again by His Spirit all have one thing in common: They are a holy people who seek to be holy. Their natures are so changed from who they used to be that they will not steal and will not hate and will not worship idols and will not lie and this and that and you get the idea. Now, don't get me wrong, they are still people, so yes, they do stumble and they will from time to time pick up an idol or lie or possibly steal again. But if stealing or hatred or idolatry is a great majority of the life of the "believer" and he doesn't look like what they Bible calls a Christian, simply put, he's not a Christian and is in danger of the fires of hell. "You shall know them by their fruits," A quote from not only James in his letter, but also from Jesus in the Gospels.

 

About the Jesus of the Catholics, it's a false idol who has assumed the name of the Savior. He "looks" like Jesus and talks like Jesus, but he's far more easygoing than the real Jesus because he tolerates the idolatry and sins of the catholic church. The real Jesus is the head of the church, not the pope. Jesus is the mediator between man and God, not mary or the saints. Jesus forgives sins, not the priests. And when Jesus saves, He saves to the uttermost always, not that a person can lose his salvation. That is not true.

 

I don't like pulling one quote out of a huge post' date=' but it caught my eye first.

 

[i']They are not to put their trust in man, but the Lord alone.[/i]

 

So if I jump off a cliff, will God save me? Assuming I believe in him and stuff.

 

That was only promised to One person, Jesus Christ. It was one of the temptations. And He might save you, it's a possibility. You may survive. But if not, He would still be God.

 

That question actually reminds me of a preacher who set out to teach his congregation about faith. So he went out to the lake and brought them with him that Sunday morning. And when he began to preach about faith, he decided that he would demonstrate. So he preached that if he had enough faith, he could walk on water. So he turn around and walked in to lake. He had so much faith that he kept walking, although it passed his neck and his head. He drowned.

 

No, a faith in God will not make you invincible. No one ever promised it could.

[Huntar!]

Religion gives people something to believe in, and a reason to live. Without it, everyone'd go killing themselves because they'd realize there's no point. Religion gives people a life after death, which is what everyone wants. No one wants to die, and religion solves that problem.

 

People don't like living by rules, but if that means eternal paradise? Decision time.

 

Ultimately: Whether you believe in anything or not, religion is a good tool by people to control other people. Always has been, always will.

[Dark]

Religion gives people something to believe in' date=' and a reason to live. Without it, everyone'd go killing themselves because they'd realize there's no point. Religion gives people a life after death, which is what everyone wants. No one wants to die, and religion solves that problem.

 

[b']Atheists kill themselves because they realize there is no point to live? I cba to get statistics, but I'm pretty sure that religious people make up the majority of people who suicide or commit crimes, mainly because they are the majority of the population, but the statistic still stands.

 

Religion doesn't give people a life after death; it falsely promises them one. However, I do agree with a later part of your post...[/b]

 

People don't like living by rules, but if that means eternal paradise? Decision time.

 

Again, a false hope for eternal paradise.

 

Ultimately: Whether you believe in anything or not, religion is a good tool by people to control other people. Always has been, always will.

 

Completely. Religion doesn't need to have a diety, but then what is the use? Religion is teaching morals by scaring little kids (and adults) that a big golden man will come down and hit you with lightning if you don't do x, y, and z. If there was nothing to be scared of (god(s), in this case), no one would follow morals.

 

That use of religion is now obsolete, though, because even though atheists don't believe in god or avidly follow any religion, they don't go around killing people. They don't become cereal (yes, cereal) killers and rape little kids. There are other ways to force people to do good, and religion just doesn't cut it.

 

I'd like to ask you a question, Huntar. Do you think religion should affect any non-religious part of life; that being government (whose subsections are marriage, lawmaking, etc.), et cetera? Or should religion be applied everywhere? If it is just a method to control people (and control them well), would you support a theocracy?

 

That was only promised to One person, Jesus Christ. It was one of the temptations. And He might save you, it's a possibility. You may survive. But if not, He would still be God.

 

Er... God saved Jesus? Wasn't he nailed to a cross and died? And I may survive? That is horrible logic.

 

If I flip this coin, and it is heads, I am the smartest man on Earth. But if it is tails, I am still the smartest man on Earth.

 

I can attempt to jump off a cliff, and either way you are saying God exists, whether I die or not. Which doesn't make any sense, because that is not proof in itself.

[Ghoulish]

Religion gives people something to believe in' date=' and a reason to live. Without it, everyone'd go killing themselves because they'd realize there's no point. Religion gives people a life after death, which is what everyone wants. No one wants to die, and religion solves that problem.

 

People don't like living by rules, but if that means eternal paradise? Decision time.

 

Ultimately: Whether you believe in anything or not, religion is a good tool by people to control other people. Always has been, always will.

[/quote']

 

i agree with you, alot of people try to use religion as a scare tactic however which i don't think is right.

[Huntar!]

I'd like to ask you a question' date=' Huntar. Do you think religion should affect any non-religious part of life; that being government (whose subsections are marriage, lawmaking, etc.), et cetera? Or should religion be applied everywhere? If it is just a method to control people (and control them well), would you support a theocracy?

 

[i']That was only promised to One person, Jesus Christ. It was one of the temptations. And He might save you, it's a possibility. You may survive. But if not, He would still be God.[/i]

 

Er... God saved Jesus? Wasn't he nailed to a cross and died? And I may survive? That is horrible logic.

 

If I flip this coin, and it is heads, I am the smartest man on Earth. But if it is tails, I am still the smartest man on Earth.

 

I can attempt to jump off a cliff, and either way you are saying God exists, whether I die or not. Which doesn't make any sense, because that is not proof in itself.

 

Okay, maybe the suicide part was a bit extreme, but if there's no point to life, then why live it?

 

But if you're asking me SHOULD religion influence government affairs? Well I say no, but since the main laws that society obeys are based off of the ten commandments, I say that they are anyway. But religion is still a way to control people, so I guess the government is controlling the people by using religious laws in its own system to keep order. Good job for them, doing what a government should.

 

And Dark, you may have strong opinions, but you won't know if there's actually an afterlife until you die. So you'll have to wait and see.

[Eury]

"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven."

 

“The mind can make a heaven out of hell or a hell out of heaven”

 

Two of my favorite quotes. :D

 

@Max: Catholicism is Christianity whether you want to believe it or not.

 

Sure, their ideals are different, but they still worship Christ and God. Which, makes them Christian. That's what Christianity is, the worshiping of Christ and God. And if I read your post correctly, you said Christ is God. He's not. He never has been and never will be. He's a demigod yes, but God no. God is God, derp. (this is all assuming God exists)

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Guys, it's really quite simple.

 

Can't prove the physical existence of God and/or post-death events, can't disprove the physical existence of God and/or post-death events. Solution: Agnosticism! Agnostics believe God, etc, etc, etc, etc, and etc MIGHT exist, and so the holy Agnostics couldn't possibly be wrong.

 

Think about it.

 

If I had to pick a side of the fence though, I'd rather be wrong in having hope of salvation and assistance from a higher power of apparent righteousness whom I'd put my trust in than be right in telling those that do that they're wrong.

 

Atheists are basically party-poopers.

 

 

Whatever makes you happy! ^____^