Dark Supreme Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Do you even know how to play Yu-Gi-Oh?!?! EXCESS FUSIONS = LOSE!!(UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTACES!!!) and i bet this is a lot better that your deck' date=' also OCEAN IS A STAPLE YOU IDIOT!!!IT GETS STRATOS AND OTHER E.HEROS FROM YOUR GRAVE!!! Do you know what mother grizzly is? it gets out King of the Swamp... I bet you run a failing E.Hero deck....or you would know 3 polys are bad only under some conditions..... Also, everyone agrees that this is right, even Azuh is right 1 poly is better[/quote'] I knew there were some really stupid people here, I didn't think they still made them THIS stupid though. Ocean is not a staple. he's not even a good choice unless you are running sufficient protection for him, since he goes off on your standby phase, meaning he can't keep himself and his measely 1500 ATK on the field long enough to use it. That's why Ocean is a HUUUUUGE no-no in any deck safe for Big City and decks running mother grizzly. He is a 1500 ATK weenie that gets waltzed over before he pays off. As for your fusion remark, were you lobotomized ? You could run 100 fusions and have no problems as it has NO IMPACT ON YOUR MAIN DECK. PC often ran 40 odd fusions last format and that was the best deck we had. Dito for e-heroes. Especially with fusion subs, there is simply no reason why any e-hero fusion based strategy shouldn't run as many fusions as it possibly can. even if you don't use them, its still good to have cards there just in case. I can't see any negative impact from running more than a certain amount of fusions. You bet I run a failing e-hero deck ? I usually juggle about 8 decks at any given time, and apart from a rather unfortunate stint with Gravekeepers NONE of them have EVER failed me. I've won more events than you've participated in, perennially qualifying for nats, PT finals and summer cup finals. As a rule I don't really run hero decks in major competition. If you were any sort of duellist you'd know that. The two decks I named are the only ones that are viable, and neither is a good choice for this format with macro running loose and many people being prepared for OTK decks. E-hero OTK thrives on triple Poly, triple KOTS and triple Miracle fusion because it aims to get a stratos and two fusions on the field on the first turn you can attack.Okay, really do you know what dueling is? You do not take risks, you lose! Tell me is Ocean + Stratos Useful?!YES! since you can use Stratos's effects again thus giving you more Fusion Ammo! The negivte impact on running more fusions would cause you to fill you deck to the amount of fusions to get out, thus fusion dependent would cause you to want to get a certain fusion in the 40 which you need. If you dont get it you lose.... Mostly E.Heros decks are at their MAX if you use less fusions and less fusion dependant cards...like running other cards in the deck and only 2 Fusions, i never ran and Elemental hero deck but an Evil Hero Deck with 3 Fusions of the same name. You went into more events that me LMFAO!!!!Ive participated in over 100 events and have never lost in one, i run a macro monarch, monarch, Gadegt, burn, stall and "Super Burn", my own creation, deck. Man, if you were a pro, you would know if you were running an E.hero deck, run 2 Poly or/and 3 Miracle. My god, ask 'Real' pros about this, gerogyboy, Static, Horus or KA Flame, not some so called pro wannabe..... Remix, really, okay i made a mistake about that miracle fusion, but is OCEAN NOT USEFUL, and running 3 polys still is not good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian Blue Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Okay' date=' really do you know what dueling is?[/quote'] You keep saying that, but you keep proving the opposite yourself with your generalizations. We're talking about a series of decktypes that are subpar in this format, and you keep bringing up duelling. If you knew what duelling was, you wouldn't be talking about e-heroes unless it was stratos in a PC or LADD deck ... You do not take risks, you lose! Tell me is Ocean + Stratos Useful?!YES! since you can use Stratos's effects again thus giving you more Fusion Ammo! You do not take risks you lose ? Wow, you really DON'T know anything about duelling. Idiots like you are the reason that cards like Torrential and mirror force are staples, because you'd blindly run into them. Ocean+stratos useful ? Nope. Because ocean will only work for you once every 30 duels unless you can bring him out after your opponents battle phase and before your standby phase. Which most decks can't. You need either stall or mother grizzly to do that. The negivte impact on running more fusions would cause you to fill you deck to the amount of fusions to get out, thus fusion dependent would cause you to want to get a certain fusion in the 40 which you need. If you dont get it you lose.... Which is why you maximize on the cards. 40 cards, draw 6 in your opening hand. 7 cards equals a statistical certainty of drawing one copy in your opening hand. Sangan + 3 KOTS + 3 Poly means you get a poly in your opening hand. 3 E-emergency, 2 Rota and a stratos = a good chance to get stratos opening hand. That's already a good deal of damage. You happen to draw storm and miracle fusion its gg. The amount of fusions you run is irrelevant. While in this deck you'd mainly play shining flare and thunder giant, having a single copy of at least every fusion means you'll always have the right one for the right situation. There is certainly no negative to having more fusions in your fusion deck. Mostly E.Heros decks are at their MAX if you use less fusions and less fusion dependant cards...like running other cards in the deck and only 2 Fusions, i never ran and Elemental hero deck but an Evil Hero Deck with 3 Fusions of the same name. I ran a solid all hero (D-hero, E-hero, evil hero) deck with no fusions that actually works in this format. What's your point ? My whole argument against your hairbrained opening post is that you can't make generalizations like you do. Ocean is not a staple. There is no maximum or minimum amount of poly's you can or should run, because there is such a wide variety of possibilities within this decktype. The fact that you seem to think you have a mission to fix up one of those types, the archaic failing tier 365.254 plain hero fusion deck is your shortcoming, not mine. The two decks at the extreme of the spectrum, Big City and Fusion OTK are the most succesful and provide the scope that these decks can span. You went into more events that me LMFAO!!!!Ive participated in over 100 events and have never lost in one, i run a macro monarch, monarch, Gadegt, burn, stall and "Super Burn", my own creation, deck. Lol. Which country do you live in ? How many of those events were regionals, jumps, PT's, nationals or summer cup nationals ? given your claim (though even then I doubt its veracity) that you never lost, i would say none. the fact that you are the king of your 5-man local proves nothing. But provide your UDE number so I can verify your greatness for myself. Man, if you were a pro, you would know if you were running an E.hero deck, run 2 Poly or/and 3 Miracle. There is no such thing as a YGO pro. You can't live off a dozen packs a week. Dumb ass. If you were a top player however, you wouldn't be having discussions about Poly OR miracle fusion. Let alone both. My god, ask 'Real' pros about this, gerogyboy, Static, Horus or KA Flame, not some so called pro wannabe..... I'd be happy to debate those folk as well, if you think they'll have the gal to support your argument. If they are halfway decent players however they'll tell you the same thing I did. Remix, really, okay i made a mistake about that miracle fusion, but is OCEAN NOT USEFUL, and running 3 polys still is not good! I'll tell you what. i'll build a deck with no oceans and 3 poly and we'll hook up on YVD. How's that ? I'll put that up against an e-hero deck in your style. And I won't just say i'll beat you. That would be too easy. How bout we make it interesting. i'll beat you before turn 5 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Supreme Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'll tell you what. i'll build a deck with no oceans and 3 poly and we'll hook up on YVD. How's that ? I'll put that up against an e-hero deck in your style. And I won't just say i'll beat you. That would be too easy. How bout we make it interesting. i'll beat you before turn 5 ... I dont use YVD, Gameking, i dont care, and did not even read what you said before, and also if you mean like my turn = 1 your turn = 2...etc....you wish...ill build some E.Hero deck right now, PM me when your done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgian Blue Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Mine's done. At work now, then have to do some shopping. Lets say 3 hours from timestamp on this post. Pm me you MSN addy, i'll add you as soon as I'm home. And no, actually I meant 5 of my turns, but lets say if I do it in 5 turns total, flat, you don't show your face on online boards anymore, k ? Since you said you wish and all that ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petqwe Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 In OCG, there is a 'Woodsman'. Woodsman has 2000DEF and able to take Polymersation at Standby Phase.And you've made it: NO BUBBLEMAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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