inferno dx1 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 lately a lot of people have been telling me how good monarchs are so I decided to see for myself, after a bit of reaserch I decided to build a monarch deck for my next tournament but i'm still not sure if it will win it is a TRADITIONAL deck so there are no banned cards, plz rate and improve my deck, if anyone can suggest any improvments ill rep them and if i win the tournament all people who posted will get up to 3 reps depending on how their advice helped me heres the decklist Rise of the monarch Tributes x5 Mobius the frost monarch x2Granmarg the rock monarch x1Cyber dragon x2 Monsters x 18 Hydrogeddon x3Marshmallon x1Elemental hero wildheart x2Elemental hero Stratos x1Volcanic slicer x1Spell striker x1Treeborn frog x1Exiled force x1Gene warped Warwolf x2Breaker the magical warrior x1Chiron the mage x1Green gadget x1Yellow gadget x1Red gadget x1 Spells x14Snatch steal x1Premature burial x1Monster reborn x1Back to square one x1Pot of avarice x1 Lightning vortex x1Mystical space typhoon x1Dark world dealings x1Fissure x1Swords of revealing light x1Big bang shot x2Axe of despair x1Black pendant x1 Traps x8Bottomless trap hole x1Security orb x1Sakuretsu armour x1Torrential tribute x1Draining shield x1Magic cylinder x1Solemn judgment x1Mirror force x1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Supreme Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 NO NO NO!! Ill start with monsters - stratos- wildheart-Grammarg-1 Mobius- 3 hydro- 1 slicer + 3 Raiza+ 1 Zaborg+ 1 yellow Gadget+ 1 Green Gadget+ 1 Red Gadget Traps: - Securtity Orb- Draining- Cylender + 2 Dark bribe+ 1 Solemn Spells: - Dark World Dealings- Big Bang + 2 Nobleman of Crossout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog15 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 dude your deck is to mixed for an monarch deck. plus if im honest if you take it to a tournement i dont think you will win much. remeber monarch decks are designed to lock down your oponent, so you need easy summon monsters, to get out the monarchs. heres my fixes | monsters 2| Mobius the frost monarch 1| Granmarg the rock monarch2| Raiza the Storm Monarch1| zaborg the thunder monarch 3| mystic tomatoe1| sangan3| giant germ 3| hydrogeddon3| spirit reaper ( isnt banned/ restricted yet)1| neo spacian grand mole | spells 1| heavy storm1| mystical space typhoon 1| premature burial3| shrink3| enemy controler1| pot of avirice2| creature swap2| nobleman of crossout | traps 1| call of the haunted1| magic cylinder2| dusk tornado2| sakursui armor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 very bad for monarchs. seems to have many themes. it is a TRADITIONAL deck so there are no banned cards if you were unaware, TRADITIONAL means that you CAN use banned cards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Lol Volcanic Slicer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 more like...lol black pendant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logmon1 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 more like...lol black pendant. Whats bad about black Pendant? I've used it since I was 8, one of my staples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeyboy654 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 ^^^ XDDDDDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 more like...lol black pendant. Whats bad about black Pendant? I've used it since I was 8' date=' one of my staples.[/quote'] ummm...yeah...ummm...it kinda sucks...really bad. okay it raises atk by 500. SO? how does that help? and the second effect...not even as strong as Ookazi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logmon1 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Maha Vailo+Black Pendant+Big Bang Shot. And it you have Robbin' Goblin on the field, even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 okay so youre going to wait to use a 4 card combo, to do damage you could do in one turn by summoning Thestalos or something? great plays. plus, if Maha gets saku'd...you just wasted 3 cards and Robbin Goblin is terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logmon1 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 okay so youre going to wait to use a 4 card combo' date=' to do damage you could do in one turn by summoning Thestalos or something? great plays. plus, if Maha gets saku'd...you just wasted 3 cards and Robbin Goblin is terrible[/quote'] What the **** is Thestalos? Marical dig FTW. How is Robbin' Goblin bad? Build up your opponents graveyard, destroying most combos they could pull off, double or triple soul release, D.D. Dynamite their ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 are you kidding? you dont know who Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch is? WTF does Miracle Dig do for your strategy? it is a continuous trap card, easy to destroy, easily bypassed/defended against...reallly not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logmon1 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 are you kidding? you dont know who Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch is? WTF does Miracle Dig do for your strategy? it is a continuous trap card' date=' easy to destroy, easily bypassed/defended against...reallly not worth it.[/quote'] Maricle dig brings back the three cards. EVERY SINGLE CARD IN THE ENTIRE F***ING GAME CAN BE EASILY BYPASSED SOMEWAY! THAT IS WHAT KEEPS IT BALANCED! Monarchs are for n00bs afraid to lose or try something cool and daring. My remove from play deck relies on the Robbin' Goblin stratagy because I don't own any D.D. cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 miracle dig only brings back cards that were removed from play... Monarchs are for noobs eh? then please explain to me how 4 of the top 8 decks in the Shonen jump championship were monarch decks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logmon1 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Because they are nigh impossible to lose with, meaning n00bs are attracted to them and use them a lot. A real player would go for something they like and can have fun with, not some crappy, overdone, safe deck. Big Bang shot removes the three from play, Miracle Dig brings them back, Magician of Faith and Monster Reincarnation get two back to me, and I've got a slightly weaker version back on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 if a noob was to use monarchs, they would fail, because they are a NOOB. you have to be good to play this game well. just because you have a monarch deck doesnt mean you automatically i have fun with monarchs, and i win with them. i've won my local tourney twice with them. they are neither crappy, nor overdone. i am the only one at my local tourney (of the 40 or so who attend) who plays a monarch deck. plus theres varieties of monarch decks congratulations, youve created a very situational 6 card strategy. you could use 2 cards (treeborn frog and Raiza) and do twice the amount of damage, and Treeborn wiill keep coming back automatically so you can summon a monarch. and um one more thing...you appear to not know who Thestalos is, yet then you say Monarchs are overdone...IF YOU DONT KNOW THESTALOS, YOU DONT KNOW MONARCHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slime Lord Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Maha Vailo+Black Pendant+Big Bang Shot. I did something like that, it didn't work so well. Sure it worked every once and awhile, but that was when I was dueling a Beatdown deck with monsters with 1800 and 1900 ATK. It's not really worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 yeah. but you also used 3 Axe of Despair instead of Big Bang and Black Pendant so it was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logmon1 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Maha Vailo+Black Pendant+Big Bang Shot. I did something like that' date=' it didn't work so well. Sure it worked every once and awhile, but that was when I was dueling a Beatdown deck with monsters with 1800 and 1900 ATK. It's not really worth it.[/quote']... I have no clue what these terms mean, "Beatdown"? congratulations, youve created a very situational 6 card strategy. you could use 2 cards (treeborn frog and Raiza) and do twice the amount of damage, and Treeborn wiill keep coming back automatically so you can summon a monarch.Did it ever occure to you that I don't like, own, or want Treeborn or ANY Monarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slime Lord Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 ... I have no clue what these terms mean' date=' "Beatdown"? [/quote'] A failing deck type with monsters with high ATK and really nothing else. yeah. but you also used 3 Axe of Despair instead of Big Bang and Black Pendant so it was better. But I never got all 3 of them on a single Maha. Never. I used that deck for a long time also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maspe Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 i HATE it when people are just using post to talk to each other! why not just email them and spare the guy who made the thread to read what you two wrote! but that last question was good to ask ^__^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Slime Lord Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Relax dude. 1) I was answering his question. 2) I was restating and proving for a second time that it wasn't a good strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'm not really understanding how anyone could not know who Thestalos is, especially one who claims to run a Monarch Deck. As for the balancing of the Monarchs, They are very good, but not unbeatable. I have a feeling that they'll be making their way onto the semi-restricted list next format, with Raiza possibly being restricted to 1 per deck. Personally, I like Monarchs a lot, They have interesting effects, and just generally look cool. But it's never a good thing to have the metagame begin to be dominated by 1 deck type. Monarchs aren't good enough to warrant banning, but they could definitely use some restricting. I don't run a Monarch deck, but my decks do utilize Monarchs. One reason for this is that I only own 1 Raiza (which I was lucky enough to pull from the 1 pack I bought at Giant Eagle 1 day.), 1 Thestalos, and 1 Mobius. If I had more Monarchs, I probably would run a Monarch deck, but I think it's better this way. I don't mind seeing my opponent splash a Mobius into his ALO deck, but I do get annoyed when he runs a Cookie Cutter Soul Control deck. Keep Yugioh interesting. Now, Grahnmarg is considered to worst of the Monarchs for a reason, if you have a Raiza, or Zaborg, I'd suggest switching him out. -1 Black Pendant, it is crap-1 Security Orb-2 Big Bang Shot, if it leaves the field, the monster is removed from play. You don't want to be vulnerable like that. A Breaker or Mystical Space Typhoon could screw you.-1 Back to Square One, it's a -1 and Raiza is way better.-1 Draining Shield, not a bad card, but another Saku could do much better.-1 Dark World Dealings, I have no idea why that's in here-1 Premature Burial, might as well use Call and skip the cost-1 Axe of Despair, it's recursion effect is crap and United or Mage Power are better-1 Volcanic Slicer, this isn't burn, and there are better attackers out there +1 Pot of Greed, this is traditional, of course you want Greed+1 Graceful Charity, this is a far better version of Dark World Dealings+1 Call of the Haunted, this is a better replacement of Premature Burial+1 Mage Power/United We stand, these equips are strong enough to be almost worth playing.+1 Butterfly Dagger - Elma, it's only a 300 increase, but it's banned for a reason, it has a completely unfair recursion effect, it doesn't have the bad hand play problem that makes equips bad choices.+1 Dark Hole/Raigeki, it's always nice to have another way to blow up the field+1 Harpy's Feather Duster/Dust Tornado, Harpy is awesome, but Dust Tornado is a lot easier to find.+1 Change of Heart, you're not running Soul Control, but it's always nice to tribute your opponent's monsters for your Monarch, and Change Of Heart's the best out there. (Aside from Snatch Steal)+1 Monarch (try to get a Zaborg or Raiza)+1 Magician of Faith, this card is great, especially if you add in cards like Raigeki or Harpy's Feather Duster. Also, If I were you I'd consider switching out the Stratos Engine for something else. If you do that, You might want to replace the Wildhearts with Winged Rhynos instead, it has more attack power, and an effect which, while similar in functionality to Wildheart, can be used strategically in ways you wouldn't expect. For example, Wildheart can't stop a Fissure from taking him out, but with Rhynos, you can chain a Dust Tornado to Fissure, destroying a Magic or Trap card on the field, and then utilizing Rhynos' effect to splash him back to your hand. Lastly, if you really want piercing damage, Fairy Meteor Crush is the same as Big Bang, but without the attack increase. It's better though, because it doesn't remove the monster from play if it's destroyed. EDIT: If you don't mind going without equip cards, Ring of Destruction is just about the cheapest Trap ever to exist, and would be much more worthy of the Deck Space than a Mage Power or Butterfly Dagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Logmon, you are being ignorant. monarchs are good yes, but not the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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