Umi based water deck.

[whyhellothere]

I wanted to make an Umi based water deck, (well, a legendary ocean... but still). And right now it sucks, i was hoping you guys could help me out.

monsters: 20
3 spined gillman
2 Mobius the Frost Monarch
2 mother grizzly
2 Warrior of Atlantis
2 abyss soilder
2 Mermaid knight
2 codarus
2 fishborg blaster
1 Levia-Dragon - Daedalus
1 terrorking salmon
1 Divine Dragon Aquabizzare

spells: 15
3 a legendary ocean
2 salvage
2 Moray of Greed
2 smashing ground
2 Mystical space tycoon
1 monster reborn
1 dark hole
1 swords of revealing light
1 level limit area B

traps: 5
1 Dimensional Prison
1 dark bribe
1 Torrential Tribute
1 negate attack (i cant get a mirror force)
1 tornado wall

any suggestions?

[Black W Mage]

[quote name='whyhellothere' timestamp='1283056855' post='4577249']
I wanted to make an Umi based water deck, (well, a legendary ocean... but still). And right now it sucks, i was hoping you guys could help me out.

3 mother grizzly
2 yomi ship
2 torpedo fish
2 ampibious bugroth mk-3
1 star boy
1 aqua spirit
1 the legendary fisherman
1 finrir
1 codarus
1 mermaid knight
1 terrorking salmon
1 orca mega fortress of darkness
1 spiral serpent
2 genex conroller

spells: 15
3 a legendary ocean
2 terraforming
2 salvage
1 big wave small wave
1 Mystical space tycoon
1 monster reborn
1 dark hole
1 fissure
1 lightning vortex
1 swords of revealing light
1 mage power

traps: 5
1 sakuretsu armor
1 call of the haunted
1 magic cylinder
1 negate attack
1 tornado wall

any suggestions?
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teh hell is with everything at 1? take out the yomis, torpedo fish, the legendary fisherman, finrir, codarus, mermaid Knight, salmon, orca, spiral, and genex. they aren't necessary and should be replaced with some of the attack boosting monsters (like Spined Gillman). also, where is ocean dragon lord?

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

[quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1283058488' post='4577305']
teh hell is with everything at 1? take out the yomis, torpedo fish, the legendary fisherman, finrir, [b]codarus[/b], mermaid Knight, salmon, orca, spiral, and genex. they aren't necessary and should be replaced with some of the attack boosting monsters (like Spined Gillman). also, where is ocean dragon lord?
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I will make it like if you didn't say the bolded...

Something like...
Monsters_19
3 x Levia Dragon Deadalus or Mobius the Frost Monarch
3 x Codalus
3 x Mother Grizzly
3 x Warrior of Atlantis
2 x Snowman Eater
2 x Treeborn Frog
1 x Fishborg Blaster
1 x Debris Dragon (For the Lulz)
1 x Sangan
Spells_14
3 x ALO
2 x Book of Moon
2 x Salvage
2 x Moray of Greed
2 x Mystical Space Thyphoon
1 x Dark Hole
1 x Monster Reborn
1 x Pot of Benevolence (IDK what else to put here...But this can recicle your ALOs)
Traps_7
2 x Spritual Art Aoi
2 x Bottomless Trap Hole
1 x Starlight Road
1 x Mirror Force
1 x Torrential Tribute

[whyhellothere]

[quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1283058488' post='4577305']
teh hell is with everything at 1? take out the yomis, torpedo fish, the legendary fisherman, finrir, codarus, mermaid Knight, salmon, orca, spiral, and genex. they aren't necessary and should be replaced with some of the attack boosting monsters (like Spined Gillman). also, where is ocean dragon lord?
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i took out most of what you said, and added ocean dragon lords.

i didnt take out orca and torpedo fish because they make a great combo together, the legendary fisherman is a great card in my opinion, and terrorkling salmon is a great attacker that dosent require a tribute with the legendary ocean.

also i added more star boys instead of spined gillman because he dosent effect all of my monsters

[Time Psyduck]

Ocean Dragon Lord is too hard to get out, so shouldn't really be run, especially not at 3. Levia-Dragon is OK, but since you're running Codarus Mobius is probably a better choice.

The Orca/Torpedo fish combo isn't very good, especially when you can have something like Snowman Eater or Codarus which is far more efficient at doing the same thing.

The Legendary fisherman is, regardless of your opinion, a bad card - substandard attack for a Level 5, coupled with an effect that's only useful with the field spell out means it should be left alone. Being unaffected by spells is not enough to save it, since it doesn't gain the effect of A legendary ocean (ALO)(You can still summon without tribute, but it won't gain attack/defense or be level 4 whilst on the field. Run another Warrior of Atlantis, or a Divine Dragon Aquabizzare, which support your deck rather than relying on support from the deck.

On the subject of Warrior of Atlantis, it should be used over Terraforming, since it can act as a monster when you need it to.

There's little point in this deck having 2 Divas and no other targets for her effect - this deck is not going to swam for synchros, and with the level reduction it can't always synchro anyway. Mermaid knight would be best for this, since it can make an instant 2200 level 2 with ALO out, or synchro for a Lv5 if it isn't.

Aside from Legendary Fisherman, there isn't anything you really want as a main attacker that Gillman won't power up, and I's suggest Gillman over Star Boy because it's not as fragile (it hits the field with 1700 (1900 with ALO), which can be enough to keep smaller monsters away. It also doesn't affect your opponent's monsters.

Normal Monsters aren't usually great, and whilst a 2600 level 4 is one of the few things that would make it worth considering, Giga Gagagigo has 50 more. The only reason to run Terrorking is if you're using Gillman over Star Boy, since Gillman doesn't boost the Gagagigos.

Overall, you're better off with a deck closer to what Dae suggests

[Tronta]

fishborg + alo is hilarious. it has to be used carefully though. treeborn + borg is typically funnier.
just a thought.

[whyhellothere]

[quote name='Time Psyduck' timestamp='1283126669' post='4580095']
Ocean Dragon Lord is too hard to get out, so shouldn't really be run, especially not at 3. Levia-Dragon is OK, but since you're running Codarus Mobius is probably a better choice.

The Orca/Torpedo fish combo isn't very good, especially when you can have something like Snowman Eater or Codarus which is far more efficient at doing the same thing.

The Legendary fisherman is, regardless of your opinion, a bad card - substandard attack for a Level 5, coupled with an effect that's only useful with the field spell out means it should be left alone. Being unaffected by spells is not enough to save it, since it doesn't gain the effect of A legendary ocean (ALO)(You can still summon without tribute, but it won't gain attack/defense or be level 4 whilst on the field. Run another Warrior of Atlantis, or a Divine Dragon Aquabizzare, which support your deck rather than relying on support from the deck.

On the subject of Warrior of Atlantis, it should be used over Terraforming, since it can act as a monster when you need it to.

There's little point in this deck having 2 Divas and no other targets for her effect - this deck is not going to swam for synchros, and with the level reduction it can't always synchro anyway. Mermaid knight would be best for this, since it can make an instant 2200 level 2 with ALO out, or synchro for a Lv5 if it isn't.

Aside from Legendary Fisherman, there isn't anything you really want as a main attacker that Gillman won't power up, and I's suggest Gillman over Star Boy because it's not as fragile (it hits the field with 1700 (1900 with ALO), which can be enough to keep smaller monsters away. It also doesn't affect your opponent's monsters.

Normal Monsters aren't usually great, and whilst a 2600 level 4 is one of the few things that would make it worth considering, Giga Gagagigo has 50 more. The only reason to run Terrorking is if you're using Gillman over Star Boy, since Gillman doesn't boost the Gagagigos.

Overall, you're better off with a deck closer to what Dae suggests
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ok, i fixed up the monster lineup, how does it look now?

[quote name='Tronta' timestamp='1283126983' post='4580127']
fishborg + alo is hilarious. it has to be used carefully though. treeborn + borg is typically funnier.
just a thought.
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added in a fishborg

[whyhellothere]

bump

[Time Psyduck]

It looks better. I personally wouldn't run Terroking or Aqua Spirit, and running Bugroth and Codarus is a little worrying, since the card Codarus needs to dump for it's effect Bugroth needs you to keep for it's. If you're planning to Synchro summon with any frequency, or even want Fishborg as continuous fodder, your going to need another one (diva will also work for synchros). One may be difficult to get out, but you'd probably have to test and see.

Regarding your spells, Big Wave Small Wave is pointless. After ALO's reduction, only Deadlaus and Mobius still need tributes, and if you Special Summon Mobius he loses his effect, meaning you have one card you would want to use it on. Lightning Vortex isn't needed since you already have dark hole, and Mage Power seems rather random. You could do with Moray of Greed for drawing, and Foolish Burial would let you dump Fishborg into the grave for it's effect. I'd take smashing ground over fissure, but that's just my preference.

Trap-wise, Call isn't necessary with Monster Reborn, Dimensional Prison is superior to Sakuretsu Armour, Magic Cylinder is probably not worth it outside a dedicated burn deck, and Tornado Wall doesn't work well with Codarus (unless you're using Forgotten Temple of the Deep as well). Bottomless Trap Hole or Torrential Tribute would probably be better.

[whyhellothere]

there, i changed it again.

[whyhellothere]

bump