Emerald Fan Posted October 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 Updated with new card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 to be quite honest, the only good cards here are Black Dragonic Roar, Final War of Dragons, In the Dark, Red-Eyes Burst, and Red-Eyes Magma Dragon (if it had 300 less ATK and was a tuner). In particular, Sunrise of the Black Dragon is horribly outclassed by [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Rules"]this[/url], which isn't normally used in Red-Eyes decks anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted October 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287378151' post='4714529'] to be quite honest, the only good cards here are Black Dragonic Roar, Final War of Dragons, In the Dark, Red-Eyes Burst, and Red-Eyes Magma Dragon (if it had 300 less ATK and was a tuner). In particular, Sunrise of the Black Dragon is horribly outclassed by [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Rules"]this[/url], which isn't normally used in Red-Eyes decks anyways. [/quote] Wow, only 5 are good, huh? That's really sad. Maybe you could take a minute, step back and tell me what you find so wrong with the rest of my cards so I can better understand you. That way, I don't immediately write you off as an ass who is just insulting a random person's cards because you don't have the creative drive to make your own. Just a thought. Oh, and if I wanted Magma Dragon to be a tuner, then he would be. P.S. Oh, no! Heaven help me! A card I made is outclassed by a real card? I just have to delete it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 [quote name='Emerald Fan' timestamp='1287382689' post='4714613'] Wow, only 5 are good, huh? That's really sad. Maybe you could take a minute, step back and tell me what you find so wrong with the rest of my cards so I can better understand you. That way, I don't immediately write you off as an ass who is just insulting a random person's cards because you don't have the creative drive to make your own. Just a thought. Oh, and if I wanted Magma Dragon to be a tuner, then he would be. P.S. Oh, no! Heaven help me! A card I made is outclassed by a real card? I just have to delete it now! [/quote] Though your calm nature implies that you are reasonable, your wording is implying that I am a jack-ass . well anyway, I'm speaking in terms of use-ability. Sure they are all balanced and in theory good, most of the targets are terrible. anyway, let me just give a brief list of whats wrong: Black Dragon Kingdom- does not generate any card advantage, only a 1000 atk plus, that will leave when a red-eyes is destroyed. No reason of ever running this in a deck over Solidarity. However, it may seem viable with Sin Red-Eyes Black Dragon Dark Arrival - Though it is only 1 tribute, the tributed monster itself is worth a lot, and the only thing you get is a red-eyes from your hand. personally, I rather just activate metal's effect to SS itself then use this, and summoning the original Red-Eyes is stupid with Ancient Rules. now if it were from the deck, this might see a little promise. Dark Warp - You have to tribute either Red-Eyes or Metal to activate, and all it does is remove from play a card for a few turns. outrageous -2 in card advantage, loosing to wattpheasant and D-Hero Doom Lord. Joey Wheeler - weak warrior that won't stay long enough to summon a Red-Eyes. Mausoleum of the Emperor does the job better. The last effect will make Arcana Force cheating (though not overpowered as they suck). Mark - because it is adding a Red-Eyes from the deck, it is somewhat viable, but because the best you can choose is the original or Malefic, and there is a discarding effect too, it doesn't help much. change the discarding effect to a life point cost and call it good. Pain - really trivial card to use. Most likely your opponent will use 1 for 1 destruction on your dragons, and not destroy them in battle, thus making the actual use of it very limited. also, a few extra damage really doesn't mean anything compared to something that can generate card advantage. Red-Eyes B. Warrior - Should also be made "cannot be destroyed by battle" REPD - could see use, I rather it go to the graveyard though. personally the gaining of a 2400 beatstick doesn't compare too much to a lot of other viable options. Red-Eyes Shadow Knight - has a pretty harsh summoning condition. the first effect is nice, last is kind of meh. RETD - I rather have metal out. this card looses card advantage really quickly, and wouldn't be considered for last resort even. The last part is partially nice, due to the discarding effect that gets past Dark Worlds, but it doesn't really matter too much half way into the game. Wrath - I have to discard a specific card to destroy one attack? -1 card outclassed by Sakaretsu Armour and Dimensional Prison, which are both at 3 right now and only see some use. My reasons for magma aren't for synchro summoning, it's for Cards of Consonance. one real easy way to make a lot of these work out is more graveyard interaction and Remove from Play cards. Now because I was struck by your above comment "who is just insulting a random person's cards because you don't have the creative drive to make your own". I quite possibly was intending to insult you, but now that I think about it, I didn't give too much reason to justify myself did I? you get a free-pass to throw any insult back at me instead. anyway, I'm not really a card creator, I build decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted October 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287407922' post='4714871'] Though your calm nature implies that you are reasonable, your wording is implying that I am a jack-ass . well anyway, I'm speaking in terms of use-ability. Sure they are all balanced and in theory good, most of the targets are terrible. anyway, let me just give a brief list of whats wrong: Black Dragon Kingdom- does not generate any card advantage, only a 1000 atk plus, that will leave when a red-eyes is destroyed. No reason of ever running this in a deck over Solidarity. However, it may seem viable with Sin Red-Eyes Black Dragon Dark Arrival - Though it is only 1 tribute, the tributed monster itself is worth a lot, and the only thing you get is a red-eyes from your hand. personally, I rather just activate metal's effect to SS itself then use this, and summoning the original Red-Eyes is stupid with Ancient Rules. now if it were from the deck, this might see a little promise. Dark Warp - You have to tribute either Red-Eyes or Metal to activate, and all it does is remove from play a card for a few turns. outrageous -2 in card advantage, loosing to wattpheasant and D-Hero Doom Lord. Joey Wheeler - weak warrior that won't stay long enough to summon a Red-Eyes. Mausoleum of the Emperor does the job better. The last effect will make Arcana Force cheating (though not overpowered as they suck). Mark - because it is adding a Red-Eyes from the deck, it is somewhat viable, but because the best you can choose is the original or Malefic, and there is a discarding effect too, it doesn't help much. change the discarding effect to a life point cost and call it good. Pain - really trivial card to use. Most likely your opponent will use 1 for 1 destruction on your dragons, and not destroy them in battle, thus making the actual use of it very limited. also, a few extra damage really doesn't mean anything compared to something that can generate card advantage. Red-Eyes B. Warrior - Should also be made "cannot be destroyed by battle" REPD - could see use, I rather it go to the graveyard though. personally the gaining of a 2400 beatstick doesn't compare too much to a lot of other viable options. Red-Eyes Shadow Knight - has a pretty harsh summoning condition. the first effect is nice, last is kind of meh. RETD - I rather have metal out. this card looses card advantage really quickly, and wouldn't be considered for last resort even. The last part is partially nice, due to the discarding effect that gets past Dark Worlds, but it doesn't really matter too much half way into the game. Wrath - I have to discard a specific card to destroy one attack? -1 card outclassed by Sakaretsu Armour and Dimensional Prison, which are both at 3 right now and only see some use. My reasons for magma aren't for synchro summoning, it's for Cards of Consonance. one real easy way to make a lot of these work out is more graveyard interaction and Remove from Play cards. Now because I was struck by your above comment "who is just insulting a random person's cards because you don't have the creative drive to make your own". I quite possibly was intending to insult you, but now that I think about it, I didn't give too much reason to justify myself did I? you get a free-pass to throw any insult back at me instead. anyway, I'm not really a card creator, I build decks. [/quote] Ah, I see the problem now. You're judging each card against a real card and not treating the set as a whole. Let's see, I'll put this into words you can understand: Kingdom is meant to be limited to raising atk and have a drawback. It is actually more useful than solidarity, because it can be used in any situation. But think about this, you're running this red-eyes deck and get Joey in the Grave. Solidarity is now a dead card in your hand that you can't even put on the field, unless you want to stop up your S/T zone. Arrival actually passes metal's effect. See it this way, you have something like Prime Material on the field and only the Darkness Metal in your hand. Use dark arrival to tribute the PMD, SS darkness metal and use its effect to SS Prime Material. Bing Bang Boom, you now are in control of the situation without removing a monster. Dark Warp can use a lot more than that. Consider the high levels in this set, plus you missed Darkness and Black Metal. Imagine running into a DAD, like many people run, with this, you don't have to deal with its effect and your opponent can't use it before you have a chance to destroy it. Besides, you can't use Wattpheasant and Doom Lord on your opponent's turn. Joey Wheeler is weak in ATK, yes, but you don't need a card to be a brute to be useful. Ever hear of Mist Body? Double Summon? And its second effect wouldn't be cheating for Arcana Force. Look up Light Barrier and Reversal of Fate. By the way, the arcana don't suck, you just have to build the deck right, like I did a while back. With Mark, you complete your demonstration of how little you have looked into the Red-Eyes line. You forgot Wyvern, plus you again failed to include cards from this set on that list, namely Magma and Pet Dragons. Its discarding effect is useful in all kinds of situations, like with White Stone, for instance. Pain gives you a break. Play it when they attack and they get hurt too. When their next turn comes around, they have to rethink their strategy. And you keep talking about "Card Advantage". Having more cards than your opponent does you no good if your cards aren't useful in many situations. Warrior, actually you have a point on this one. Not bad. Pet Dragon, sure, doesn't fit in with the most common form of the "Red-Eyes Deck" but it has its uses. Say your facing a person with a deckout deck. Would you rather have something in the grave or deck? How about with removal decks that remove the graveyard from usage. How is Shadow Knight harsh in its summoning condition? Are you saying there is not a single Level 2 DARK tuner anywhere? Tyrant is meant to be just a powerful monster to use to beat your opponent over the head. Not only does it amp up its power (Fairy Meteor Crush, anyone?), but it destroys a monster and leaves your opponent with very little options. Wrath doesn't say that it has to be a specific card, just a normal dragon. There are a ton of those, like the Luster Dragons, Hyozanryu, Tri-Horned Dragon, Hunter Dragon, Divine Dragon Ragnarock, shall I go on? Yes, it is inferior to Sakuretsu and Dimension Prison, but it is more useful. Discard that fifth dragon and play Dragon's Mirror. Tada! Five-Headed ready to doom your opponent. It doesn't really matter what reasoning you had to "request" that Magma be a tuner as I said before, he was never meant to be a tuner. And sorry for the ass comment, but I tend to get really aggressive when someone insults my creations without even stating a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 your persuasiveness is persuasive. I will deck test using these cards to see if they are effective... shall I use all or some? I'm inclined to only use a few of them but if you want I could try using all... Monsters(17) 3 Red-Eyes Black Dragon 3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon 3 Red-Eyes Malefic Dragon 2 Joey 2 Red-Eyes Magma Dragon 2 Red-Eyes Pet Dragon 1 Red-Eyes Tyrant Dragon 1 Plaguespreader Zombie Spells (14) 3 Red-Eyes Kingdom 2 Dark Arrival 1 Final War of Dragons 1 Into the Dark 3 Mark of the Red Dragon 2 Sunrise of the Black Dragon 1 Future Fusion 1 Dragon's Mirror Traps (9) 1 Black Dragonic Roar 2 Dark Warp 1 Pain of a Black Dragon 3 Red-Eyes Burst 2 Red-Eyes Wrath I will test it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287442688' post='4716073'] your persuasiveness is persuasive. I will deck test using these cards to see if they are effective... shall I use all or some? I'm inclined to only use a few of them but if you want I could try using all... Monsters(17) 3 Red-Eyes Black Dragon 3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon 3 Red-Eyes Malefic Dragon 2 Joey 2 Red-Eyes Magma Dragon 2 Red-Eyes Pet Dragon 1 Red-Eyes Tyrant Dragon 1 Plaguespreader Zombie Spells (14) 3 Red-Eyes Kingdom 2 Dark Arrival 1 Final War of Dragons 1 Into the Dark 3 Mark of the Red Dragon 2 Sunrise of the Black Dragon 1 Future Fusion 1 Dragon's Mirror Traps (9) 1 Black Dragonic Roar 2 Dark Warp 1 Pain of a Black Dragon 3 Red-Eyes Burst 2 Red-Eyes Wrath I will test it later. [/quote] Interesting. no one has ever tested my creations. I await the result with baited breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 so I tested against Chaos Kuriboh (tried to test against something that wasn't top meta right) results Game 1: I open with 2 Darkness Metals, Mark, Wrath, and Red-Eyes Magma. draw into Sunrise. I use Mark and discard wrath for REBD. use sunrise and SS, normal summoned magma and SS Darkness Metal. Opponent goes, sets five, sets face-down monster. activates smashing ground and my Metal is destroyed. I draw into Burst, set it. I tribute Red-Eyes for Darkness Metal, opponent uses Solemn Warning and Metal is destroyed, again. Opponents turn, sets another face down monster, and flips Morphing Jar... I draw 5. Opponent activates a face down Flute, followed by Multiply from the Hand. Opponent tributes 2 Kuribohs and a Morphing Jar for D-Hero Plasma. attack directly with plasma, I'm at 6100. I drew Dark Arrival, End of the Wars, Pet, Future Fusion, and World. draw Malefic.Play world and SS Malefic, opponent activates detonate, and I chain Burst. I activate FuFu, dump for Five-Headed... I play Pet, summon Red-Eyes, and attack. Opponent activates mirror force, I'm screwed. next turn opponent Flips Ryko, destroys my World. sends a Norleras to the grave and plaguespreader. opponent SS Plaguespreader for Armory Arm. equips to Plasma for shenanigans 2900, I'm at 3300. I go, draw into pet again, and SS for Red-Eyes. activate Wars, destroy everything, my opponent Starlight roads. I end. Opponent equips red-Eyes, attacks for game... Basically the same crap happened for another 2 games. I won the last game, got a decent hand, successfully SSd for Tyrant, and OTKd. ofcourse that time my opponent only drew into Kuribohs and Books of Moon. I believe there was a Starlight Road... surprisingly Mark is a decent card, IMO. Needs more cards that can revive from Remove from play section... I was surprised that War didn't work as well as I expected... I can try making a better deck using some of the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287450499' post='4716612'] so I tested against Chaos Kuriboh (tried to test against something that wasn't top meta right) results Game 1: I open with 2 Darkness Metals, Mark, Wrath, and Red-Eyes Magma. draw into Sunrise. I use Mark and discard wrath for REBD. use sunrise and SS, normal summoned magma and SS Darkness Metal. Opponent goes, sets five, sets face-down monster. activates smashing ground and my Metal is destroyed. I draw into Burst, set it. I tribute Red-Eyes for Darkness Metal, opponent uses Solemn Warning and Metal is destroyed, again. Opponents turn, sets another face down monster, and flips Morphing Jar... I draw 5. Opponent activates a face down Flute, followed by Multiply from the Hand. Opponent tributes 2 Kuribohs and a Morphing Jar for D-Hero Plasma. attack directly with plasma, I'm at 6100. I drew Dark Arrival, End of the Wars, Pet, Future Fusion, and World. draw Malefic.Play world and SS Malefic, opponent activates detonate, and I chain Burst. I activate FuFu, dump for Five-Headed... I play Pet, summon Red-Eyes, and attack. Opponent activates mirror force, I'm screwed. next turn opponent Flips Ryko, destroys my World. sends a Norleras to the grave and plaguespreader. opponent SS Plaguespreader for Armory Arm. equips to Plasma for shenanigans 2900, I'm at 3300. I go, draw into pet again, and SS for Red-Eyes. activate Wars, destroy everything, my opponent Starlight roads. I end. Opponent equips red-Eyes, attacks for game... Basically the same crap happened for another 2 games. I won the last game, got a decent hand, successfully SSd for Tyrant, and OTKd. ofcourse that time my opponent only drew into Kuribohs and Books of Moon. I believe there was a Starlight Road... surprisingly Mark is a decent card, IMO. Needs more cards that can revive from Remove from play section... I was surprised that War didn't work as well as I expected... I can try making a better deck using some of the cards. [/quote] No need. I see what I need to see. Thank you for testing them like that. Oh and thank you for your professionalism above. I know many would try to tear me a new one after being called an ass, but you handled it like a champ, and for that I thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embittered Moon Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 creative and stuff, some ocg, i liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted October 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt O Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 great cards what id really love to see though is fusions bewteen red eyes and blues and so on 9/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted October 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 [quote name='Matt O' timestamp='1288518995' post='4751724'] great cards what id really love to see though is fusions bewteen red eyes and blues and so on 9/10 [/quote] There's 1 in my Blue-Eyes Support thread. There's a link under my cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judedudemude Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 pretty good are youi going to make a deck compose of all three of you main charatar sets (dms res bes) that would be cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 [quote name='judedudemude' timestamp='1290301205' post='4799070'] pretty good are youi going to make a deck compose of all three of you main charatar sets (dms res bes) that would be cool [/quote] It would be cool, but making a deck of all three would be difficult. Making one from the Red-Eyes and Blue-Eyes sets would be easy, but adding the Spellcaster angle would probably kill the deck a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judedudemude Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 i dare ya to do a blue eyes dragon and red eyes dragon deck that would be a really good deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 [quote name='judedudemude' timestamp='1290323026' post='4799850'] i dare ya to do a blue eyes dragon and red eyes dragon deck that would be a really good deck [/quote] What, like put this card list into deck form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judedudemude Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 yeah more or less put the card list or set in to a deck like form and you know add extra spell traps and lower levels guys in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 [quote name='judedudemude' timestamp='1290374329' post='4801324'] yeah more or less put the card list or set in to a deck like form and you know add extra spell traps and lower levels guys in it [/quote] That sounds interesting. Give some time to get the list up to snuff. That isn't half bad of an idea, I might do that for a couple of my other sets. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I think I might have something good, so here it is: [spoiler=BEWD/REBD Deck] Normal Monsters: Blue-Eyes White Dragon X3 Red-Eyes B. Dragon X3 Hyozanryu Effect Monsters: Blue-Eyes Alpha Dragon Dragon Substitute Joey Wheeler-Master of Chance Lord of D. Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon Red-Eyes Hunter Dragon Red-Eyes Magma Dragon Red-Eyes Pet Dragon Red-Eyes Wyvern Seto Kaiba-Dragon Master White Stone of Legend X2 Spells: Ancient Rules X3 Balance of the Dragon Lords X2 Burst Stream of Destruction Cards of Consonance Dragon’s Mirror Final War of Dragons Future Fusion Mark of the Dark Dragon Mark of the Great Dragons Monster Reborn Polymerization X2 Pot of Avarice Rage of the Blue-eyes Revival of the Ancient Dragon Traps: Birthright X2 Blue-Eyes White Roar Dark Bribe Dark Warp Dragon’s Rage Dragonic Spirit Shift Pain of a Black Dragon Red-Eyes Wrath Return from a Different Dimension Trap Stun Extra Deck: Blue-Eyes Diamond Dragon Blue-Eyes Dragon Lord Blue-Eyes King Dragon Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon X2 Five-Headed Dragon X2 Purple-Eyes Grey Dragon X2 Red-Eyes B. Warrior Red-Eyes Shadow Knight Ultimate Red-Eyes B. Dragon X2 [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judedudemude Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 that pretty good deck what the grand total of the card in the deck ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 [quote name='judedudemude' timestamp='1290380136' post='4801659'] that pretty good deck what the grand total of the card in the deck ? [/quote] 49, not including the Extra Deck which is at 13 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judedudemude Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 that great so when can i get a copy of that deck ? that is a great deck here a few sets and or deck form like i been messing with lately http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/229533-victory-gear-set-i-finnish-more-later-on-trust-me/page__p__4798668__fromsearch__1#entry4798668 http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/229680-the-new-super-heros-of-2011-that-are-from-colorado/page__p__4801761__fromsearch__1#entry4801761 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fan Posted November 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 [quote name='judedudemude' timestamp='1290383541' post='4801854'] that great so when can i get a copy of that deck ? that is a great deck here a few sets and or deck form like i been messing with lately http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/229533-victory-gear-set-i-finnish-more-later-on-trust-me/page__p__4798668__fromsearch__1#entry4798668 http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/229680-the-new-super-heros-of-2011-that-are-from-colorado/page__p__4801761__fromsearch__1#entry4801761 [/quote] What do you mean a copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judedudemude Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 like a downloadabe file of the pictures of the cards you made ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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