burnpsy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [size="4"][u][b]Cycle of Destruction (40)[/b][/u][/size] [size="3"][u][b]Monsters (23)[/b][/u][/size] 1x Armageddon Knight 1x Blackwing – Gale the Whirlwind 1x Dark Armed Dragon 3x Dark Grepher 3x Darklord Zerato 3x Dimensional Alchemist 1x Morphing Jar 1x Mystic Tomato 3x Phantom of Chaos 1x Plaguespreader Zombie 1x Sangan 1x Sky Scourge Norleras 3x The Dark Creator [size="3"][u][b]Spells (11)[/b][/u][/size] 1x Allure of Darkness 1x Cold Wave 2x D.D.R. – Different Dimension Reincarnation 1x Dark Hole 2x Gold Sarcophagus 1x Monster Reborn 3x Trade-In [size="3"][u][b]Traps (6)[/b][/u][/size] 2x Bottomless Trap Hole 1x Call of the Haunted 1x Mirror Force 1x Solemn Judgment 1x Torrential Tribute [size="3"][u][b]Extra Deck (15)[/b][/u][/size] 1x Ally of Justice Catastor 1x Ancient Fairy Dragon 1x Black Rose Dragon 1x Blackwing Armor Master 2x Chimeratech Fortress Dragon 1x Colossal Fighter 1x Goyo Guardian 1x Magical Android 1x Mist Wurm 1x Red Dragon Archfiend 1x Scrap Archfiend 2x Stardust Dragon 1x Thought Ruler Archfiend [size="3"][u][b]Side Deck (15)[/b][/u][/size] 2x Book of Moon 2x Chaos Sorcerer 1x Charge of the Light Brigade 2x Cyber Dragon 3x Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter 2x Skill Drain 3x Thunder King Rai-Oh [spoiler=After Siding] [size="4"][u][b]Chaos Drain (40)[/b][/u][/size] [size="3"][u][b]Monsters (22)[/b][/u][/size] 1x Blackwing – Gale the Whirlwind 2x Chaos Sorcerer 2x Cyber Dragon 1x Dark Armed Dragon 2x Dark Grepher 2x Darklord Zerato 3x Dimensional Alchemist 1x Plaguespreader Zombie 3x Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter 1x Sangan 1x The Dark Creator 3x Thunder King Rai-Oh [size="3"][u][b]Spells (11)[/b][/u][/size] 1x Allure of Darkness 2x Book of Moon 1x Charge of the Light Brigade 1x Cold Wave 2x D.D.R. – Different Dimension Reincarnation 1x Dark Hole 2x Gold Sarcophagus 1x Monster Reborn [size="3"][u][b]Traps (7)[/b][/u][/size] 2x Bottomless Trap Hole 1x Mirror Force 2x Skill Drain 1x Solemn Judgment 1x Torrential Tribute [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 how has Dimensional Alchemist been working? seems like it would make the build a bit too slow. -3 Dimensional Alchemist +2 Ryko +1 Charge and perhaps -2 D.D.R. +1 Reinforcements +1 Solemn Warning -2 Gold Sarc +1 Return +1 E Tele -1 Armageddon -1 Mystic +2 Krebons Ryko works amazingly well in this sort of deck, I'm not so sure about the other suggestions I made though. Just seems a little bit too slow. Zerato is the main focus yes? maybe find room for Dasher for easy SS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1286919022' post='4699758'] how has Dimensional Alchemist been working? seems like it would make the build a bit too slow. -3 Dimensional Alchemist +2 Ryko +1 Charge and perhaps -2 D.D.R. +1 Reinforcements +1 Solemn Warning -2 Gold Sarc +1 Return +1 E Tele -1 Armageddon -1 Mystic +2 Krebons Ryko works amazingly well in this sort of deck, I'm not so sure about the other suggestions I made though. Just seems a little bit too slow. Zerato is the main focus yes? maybe find room for Dasher for easy SS? [/quote] I believe the DDR element is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Purple Whatevers' timestamp='1286920739' post='4699837'] I believe the DDR element is the point. [/quote] I guess I could see that, but still, RFtDD is not a -1 like D.D.R. is so it should be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1286919022' post='4699758'] how has Dimensional Alchemist been working? seems like it would make the build a bit too slow -3 Dimensional Alchemist +2 Ryko +1 Charge and perhaps -2 D.D.R. +1 Reinforcements +1 Solemn Warning -2 Gold Sarc +1 Return +1 E Tele -1 Armageddon -1 Mystic +2 Krebons Ryko works amazingly well in this sort of deck, I'm not so sure about the other suggestions I made though. Just seems a little bit too slow. Zerato is the main focus yes? maybe find room for Dasher for easy SS? [/quote] [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1286921536' post='4699878'] [quote name='Purple Whatevers' timestamp='1286920739' post='4699837'] I believe the DDR element is the point. [/quote] I guess I could see that, but still, RFtDD is not a -1 like D.D.R. is so it should be included. [/quote] Erm... let me give you an example of what are probably the most common two moves this build in particular makes: Example 1: After setup is complete, activate Gold Sarc, removing TDC/Morphing Jar/D.D.R. (depending on the situation). Next turn, Norleras nukes and I draw a card. my move depends on that card, and then my turn ends. Next turn, I get my TDC/D.D.R./Morphing Jar back and go crazy. Example 2: 2 Zerato and 3 other DARKs in grave, TDC, any DARK, D.D.R. and any other card in hand. Empty field. SS TDC, remove a Zerato to summon the other one, D.D.R. for the Zerato that was just removed, use that new Zerato's effect to nuke, swing for 7900. Due to these, you can probably see why I'd reject the thought of a few of your suggested cuts. RftDD can't replace D.D.R. because of how much I self-nuke - plus the prevalence of MST and Trap Stun. Also, Armageddon Knight being added at 1 somehow stopped this deck from being a complete flop, seriously. It was having trouble getting enough DARKs in the grave before, but now it's fine. The Mystic Tomato also helps search out PoC or Armageddon Knight. Both Mystic and Armageddon are key to the consistency, even at 1. Dimensional Alchemist allows for some fun shenanigans with TDC, PSZ, etc. That would be why this thread is called the [b]Cycle[/b] of Destruction. Alchemist + D.D.R. cause every card that nuked to be reused over and over so my beatsticks that have nuke effects can just start swinging at the opponent. The deck does a fairly nice job of not running out of field-clearing techniques. This also answers the question you had. Zerato is not the focus, it just happens to do REALLY well here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 I can see where you're going with it... have you taken Burial from a D.D. into consideration? -1 Solemn Warning +1 Solemn Judgment otherwise, tests really solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1286931204' post='4700446'] I can see where you're going with it... have you taken Burial from a D.D. into consideration? -1 Solemn Warning +1 Solemn Judgment otherwise, tests really solid. [/quote] I've thought of BfaDD, but there's no real benefit to it in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1286933594' post='4700632'] I've thought of BfaDD, but there's no real benefit to it in this case. [/quote] so you don't want to bring back teh PSZ or more DAD food? eh, dead draw early on I suppose. what are you looking for in the side deck exactly? a twilight build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1286943899' post='4701076'] so you don't want to bring back teh PSZ or more DAD food? eh, dead draw early on I suppose. what are you looking for in the side deck exactly? a twilight build? [/quote] Those are literally the only two cards in the deck that benefit from that, and even then - Alchemist is arguably better for PSZ since I can then use it as Zerato food and revive it later. As for the side deck thing, I'm fine with anything that doesn't overlap major weaknesses. So yeah, if a Twilight build can effectively avoid Effect Veiler, Anti-Special Summon stuff and Anti-DARK stuff, then by all means. I just find the idea a bit tricky - as that would mean that I'd need to be able to transform this deck into something that won't die if my lone PoC gets Veiler'd, stops Veiler use in general, or doesn't use PoC at all to avoid losing to Veiler, Anti-Special Summon being stopped requires that the strategy as a whole be somewhat messed with, and stopping Attribute counters requires that I run more than the current 4 non-DARKs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 BUMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 BUMP I've been working on the Side Deck, and I still can't quite figure out what to do. I've been waiting until that was done before I started finalizing the Extra Deck as well, so... Help please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287082789' post='4704637'] BUMP I've been working on the Side Deck, and I still can't quite figure out what to do. I've been waiting until that was done before I started finalizing the Extra Deck as well, so... Help please? [/quote] well if you want, try a dark skill-drain side deck. You want the side deck to cover anti-meta decks yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287096559' post='4705306'] well if you want, try a dark skill-drain side deck. You want the side deck to cover anti-meta decks yes? [/quote] Yes, that was the plan. Anti-Meta's pretty much the main deck counter here, and this deck dies when it happens, so I'm looking for anything that can handle it, and that may be it. The problem is fitting that into 15 cards being changed. How would that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 First attempt at a Side Deck posted. BUMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 BUMP I need help with the version in the spoiler... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brandon Michael Geren Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 Rykos for Side version? IMO Ryko>DDWL because Ryko hits the grave and becomes Sorc food... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 [quote name='Purple Whatevers' timestamp='1287403790' post='4714832'] Rykos for Side version? IMO Ryko>DDWL because Ryko hits the grave and becomes Sorc food... [/quote] Good point. Changes made: -3 DDWL -1 RotA +3 Raikou +1 CotLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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