burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 I'm probably doing SOMETHING wrong here... [size="4"][u][b]No (40)[/b][/u][/size] [size="3"][u][b]Monsters (17)[/b][/u][/size] 3x Beast King Barbaros 2x Cyber Dragon 1x Effect Veiler 2x Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo 3x King Tiger Wanghu 2x Malefic Stardust Dragon 1x Summoner Monk 3x Thunder King Rai-Oh [size="3"][u][b]Spells (17)[/b][/u][/size] 2x Burden of the Mighty 1x Cold Wave 1x Dark Hole 3x Future Visions 2x Gold Sarcophagus 1x Monster Reborn 2x Mystical Space Typhoon 1x Necrovalley 2x Pot of Duality 2x Terraforming [size="3"][u][b]Traps (6)[/b][/u][/size] 3x Light of Intervention 1x Royal Oppression 2x Skill Drain [size="3"][u][b]Extra Deck (15)[/b][/u][/size] 1x Ally of Justice Catastor 1x Ancient Sacred Wyvern 1x Armory Arm 1x Black Rose Dragon 1x Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier 3x Chimeratech Fortress Dragon 1x Colossal Fighter 1x Dark End Dragon 1x Goyo Guardian 1x Magical Android 1x Mist Wurm 2x Stardust Dragon 1x Thought Ruler Archfiend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 -3 Vanity's Fiend +2 Fossil Dyna +1 Effect Veiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Wouldn't Wanghu killing Dyna be a potential problem? (I went and asked in Q&A what happens with both Wanghu and Future Visions out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287263894' post='4710266'] Wouldn't Wanghu killing Dyna be a potential problem? (I went and asked in Q&A what happens with both Wanghu and Future Visions out) [/quote] point is having wanghu and Future Visions might be over doing it, as your opponent will just set s*** anyway... actually why is Future Visions here anyway? -3 Future Visions +3 Dimensional Fissure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287264140' post='4710282'] point is having wanghu and Future Visions might be over doing it, as your opponent will just set s*** anyway... actually why is Future Visions here anyway? -3 Future Visions +3 Dimensional Fissure [/quote] Light of Intervention prevents my opponent from setting to dodge. Wouldn't D-Fissure contradict Necrovalley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287264279' post='4710287'] Light of Intervention prevents my opponent from setting to dodge. Wouldn't D-Fissure contradict Necrovalley? [/quote] ... have you tested this yet? anyway yes, D-Fissure would. which is why: -2 Necrovalley -2 Terraforming +2 BTH +1 Mirror Force +1 Solemn Judgment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287264444' post='4710296'] ... have you tested this yet? anyway yes, D-Fissure would. which is why: -2 Necrovalley -2 Terraforming +2 BTH +1 Mirror Force +1 Solemn Judgment [/quote] I haven't tested. In any case, your edits make the list look like this: [size="4"][u][b]No (40)[/b][/u][/size] [size="3"][u][b]Monsters (16)[/b][/u][/size] 3x Beast King Barbaros 3x Cyber Dragon 1x Effect Veiler 2x Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo 3x King Tiger Wanghu 1x Neo-Spacian Grand Mole 3x Thunder King Rai-Oh [size="3"][u][b]Spells (14)[/b][/u][/size] 3x Burden of the Mighty 1x Cold Wave 1x Dark Hole 3x Dimensional Fissure 1x Giant Trunade 2x Gold Sarcophagus 1x Monster Reborn 2x Mystical Space Typhoon [size="3"][u][b]Traps (10)[/b][/u][/size] 2x Bottomless Trap Hole 3x Light of Intervention 1x Mirror Force 1x Royal Oppression 2x Skill Drain 1x Solemn Judgment [size="3"][u][b]Extra Deck (3)[/b][/u][/size] 3x Chimeratech Fortress Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 wow I really screwed up there O_O forget the above suggestions, and do -3 Vanity's Fiend +2 Sin Stardust +1 Effect Veiler -3 Burden +3 Duality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 You should run 12 Generic synchros because you have 1 card like a tuner (Monster reborn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 @Mr. Woof Woof: Sure. Apparently, if I have both Wanghu and Visions out, I can choose to simply spare Pachy if it was added to the deck. In any case, your new wave of suggestions result in: No (40) Monsters (16) 3x Beast King Barbaros 3x Cyber Dragon 1x Effect Veiler 3x King Tiger Wanghu 2x Malefic Stardust Dragon 1x Neo-Spacian Grand Mole 3x Thunder King Rai-Oh Spells (18) 1x Cold Wave 1x Dark Hole 3x Future Visions 1x Giant Trunade 2x Gold Sarcophagus 1x Monster Reborn 2x Mystical Space Typhoon 2x Necrovalley 3x Pot of Duality 2x Terraforming Traps (6) 3x Light of Intervention 1x Royal Oppression 2x Skill Drain Extra Deck (15) 3x Chimeratech Fortress Dragon 2x Stardust Dragon 10x Generic Though, honestly, I think Wanghu just seems a bit underwhelming without the presence of Burden... Though I suppose it kills most important cards that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 I was under the impression that wanghu only works on original attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287266714' post='4710413'] I was under the impression that wanghu only works on original attack [/quote] This is how Wanghu works: It operates by current ATK, but only at the instant of the summon itself. Due to this, Black Garden makes Wanghu miss the timing unless something's blocking Special Summons to stop the token from coming out. Also, this stops interference from Shrink. However, Continuous Effects will allow Wanghu to work fine. Due to this, Burden works with Wanghu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287266868' post='4710419'] This is how Wanghu works: It operates by current ATK, but only at the instant of the summon itself. Due to this, Black Garden makes Wanghu miss the timing unless something's blocking Special Summons to stop the token from coming out. Also, this stops interference from Shrink. However, Continuous Effects will allow Wanghu to work fine. Due to this, Burden works with Wanghu. [/quote] me sees, well then -2 Necrovalley +2 Burden -1 Grandmole +1 Banisher of the Radiance that should take care of your graveyard control... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287267021' post='4710425'] me sees, well then -2 Necrovalley +2 Burden -1 Grandmole +1 Banisher of the Radiance that should take care of your graveyard control... [/quote] Banisher seems a bit iffy... I'd rather leave in a Necrovalley since it doesn't cost me a summon and can be searched by one of my Terraforming and acts as a 4th Field spell for Malefic Stardust... Edited first post. In any case, I should note that I need more than 1 anti-Special Summon card in here. Special Summons are too major to let slide like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 BUMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Looks good. Maybe some tuners? idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='Mr.Woof Woof' timestamp='1287348322' post='4712968'] Maybe some tuners? idk. [/quote] effect veiler is a spirit monster. Personally, it doesn't really need any tuners, other than Gale perhaps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287348452' post='4712974'] [quote name='Mr.Woof Woof' timestamp='1287348322' post='4712968'] Looks good.Maybe some tuners? idk. [/quote] effect veiler is a spirit monster [/quote] I lol'd. In any case... my only problem is that I lack Special Summon stopping aside from Royal Oppression. Otherwise, the build LOOKS fine (still have yet to test). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287348741' post='4712986'] I lol'd. In any case... my only problem is that I lack Special Summon stopping aside from Royal Oppression. Otherwise, the build LOOKS fine (still have yet to test). [/quote] Dyna over... hmmm skill drain might become a problem... have you tried out SW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287348888' post='4712995'] Dyna over... hmmm skill drain might become a problem... have you tried out SW? [/quote] What's SW? Also, I'm sure that people will just start burning their MSTs ad such in order to stop me from locking them, so Skill Drain is perfectly safe as long as I'm smart about it. Note that Wanghu, Malefic Stardust, and Rai-Oh all get held up somehow by Skill Drain (although Malefic Stardust somewhat benefits from it and Rai-Oh dodges with one of its effects but not the other). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287349450' post='4713017'] What's SW? Also, I'm sure that people will just start burning their MSTs ad such in order to stop me from locking them, so Skill Drain is perfectly safe as long as I'm smart about it. Note that Wanghu, Malefic Stardust, and Rai-Oh all get held up somehow by Skill Drain (although Malefic Stardust somewhat benefits from it and Rai-Oh dodges with one of its effects but not the other). [/quote] solemn warning. anyway, it might be worth trying out fossil dyna. room I'm not entirely sure of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287350170' post='4713045'] solemn warning. anyway, it might be worth trying out fossil dyna. room I'm not entirely sure of. [/quote] Haven't tried Warnings in here... In any case, perhaps the CyDras, or even just one of them, for room? Or the Dualities? Honestly, I don't like Duality, if only because it's ridiculously expensive and a bad version of [url="http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Master_Ball_%28EX_Power_Keepers_78%29"]Master Ball[/url] or [url="http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9dex_HANDY910is_%28Diamond_%26_Pearl_111%29"]Pokédex HANDY910is[/url]... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287350598' post='4713061'] Honestly, I don't like Duality [/quote] KILL THE BLASPHEMER! well anyway it isn't something I like in 3s, perhaps -1 Duality -1 Cydra +2 SW Makes sense. if anything, the card I want to search with Duality would be SW anyway, atleast it lets you to special summon... and not get cloggy if you have 2 in your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1287350766' post='4713068'] KILL THE BLASPHEMER! [/quote] I actually have a point here. look at the two cards I linked. Both are uncommons, better than Duality, and considered total garbage. Yet Duality costs a hefty $140 USD per copy. In any case, changes made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287351527' post='4713119'] I actually have a point here. look at the two cards I linked. Both are uncommons, better than Duality, and considered total garbage. Yet Duality costs a hefty $140 USD per copy. In any case, changes made. [/quote] it won't stay $140 for long. next format it's limited or something, then reprinted in a Gold Series, then put in a tin for $5. I hate to see what Pokemon is like if such a card is considered crap O_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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