[Spoon's Singles] Guardian of the River Styx

[Spoon]

It's time for another iteration of my Singles! As we all know, I like long effects, so you have to deal with reading a little

[center][img]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8392/234848t.jpg[/img]
[i][b]Lore:
This card cannot be Special Summoned except by its own effect. You can Special Summon this card from your hand or Graveyard by discarding 3 monsters except "Guardian of the River Styx" from your hand. Your opponent cannot remove from play monsters in either player's Graveyard. This card cannot be destroyed by battle if there are 5 or more monsters in your opponents Graveyard (damage calculation is applied normally). This card cannot be destroyed by your opponents card effects if there are 10 or more monsters in your opponents Graveyard. Once per turn, while this card is in face-up Attack Position, you can select 1 monster in your opponents Graveyard and Special Summon it to your side of the field in face-up Attack Position. That card cannot be Tributed, used for a Synchro Summon or attack your opponent directly. During the End Phase of the turn it was Summoned, send that card to your Graveyard. This card gains 800 ATK for each of your opponents monsters in your Graveyard. When this card is removed from the field, remove it from play and return all of your opponents cards in your Graveyard to their Graveyard and take 800 damage for each card returned.[/b][/i][/center]

Comments are highly appreciated

So long,

Spoon

[-Griffin]

One of the few cards that can attempt to justify that sort of Summoning cost.

It might have a place in certain HMB builds, although I'm personally a bit unsure on the card in general.

[Spoon]

[quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1288286305' post='4744937']
One of the few cards that can attempt to justify that sort of Summoning cost.

It might have a place in certain HMB builds, although I'm personally a bit unsure on the card in general.[/quote]

Couldn't find the term "HMB"... mind explaining it? But anyhow, this card isn't really created to fit in any Deck (I know, it gets pointless that way), but because I had an awesome picture, an (in my opinion) awesome name and a basic idea... so yeah, it just made itself, you could say If you're "unsure" about it, that does at least mean it doesn't get the "Terribad, next!" sign right away

Thanks for the comment btw., much appreciated.

[-Griffin]

HMB = High-monster Beat, otherwise known as Monster Mash. It's any Deck running over 35 monsters (with still 40 cards max) and there's quite a few Decks built using the template. Because it's common to see 4-5 card hands in most Decks, in a lot this would be rare to Summon and often a dead card. HMB is one of the very few Decks that would have enough in-hand monsters to Summon it consistently. Possibly some Zombie varients, too, though.

[Spoon]

Thanks for enlightening me
Though it could also be Normal Summoned if you cannot find any other way

*bump*

[Inferno I20]

"used for a Synchro Summoning" should be "used for a Synchro Summon"
just normal English error, want to point that out since most people tend to get really OCD with their cards (like me )

A good card that balances out everything except I think an 800 ATK increase is too much, maybe 500 is ok

[Spoon]

[quote name='Inferno I20' timestamp='1288383950' post='4747437']
"used for a Synchro Summoning" should be "used for a Synchro Summon"
just normal English error, want to point that out since most people tend to get really OCD with their cards (like me )[/quote]

Thanks for the correction *goes fixing stuff*

[quote]A good card that balances out everything except I think an 800 ATK increase is too much, maybe 500 is ok[/quote]

Well, it starts out fairly low (for a Level 7 monster), so I think the ATK gain is fair... not gonna change it for now, unless the overwhelming majority agrees with you

[Inferno I20]

Oh it was 7-stars? I thought it was 5-stars haha
well it is still roughly ok since
Your opponent will never have less than 3 cards in their Graveyard

1200->2000->2800->3600
thats only from 4 cards

it wont even get close to 10 cards because you would probably kill your opponent with brute force already
1200->2000->2800->3600->4400->5200->6000->6800->7600->8400

not trying to pick a fight but just wanted to show where this could go wrong

[Spoon]

[quote name='Inferno I20' timestamp='1288404224' post='4748443']
Oh it was 7-stars? I thought it was 5-stars haha
well it is still roughly ok since
Your opponent will never have less than 3 cards in their Graveyard

1200->2000->2800->3600
thats only from 4 cards

it wont even get close to 10 cards because you would probably kill your opponent with brute force already
1200->2000->2800->3600->4400->5200->6000->6800->7600->8400

not trying to pick a fight but just wanted to show where this could go wrong
[/quote]

I see what you did there... I guess a change to 600 would be justified. But I guess you got something wrong there (not sure though): While her ATK increases with each monster taken, her abilities grow weaker, because they depend on the number of monsters in your opponent's Graveyard... and having 10 monsters in a Graveyard is most unlikely anyways (unless your opponent runs Lightsworns or Zombies)... but still, if anybody thinks that 600 is a good idea, I'll change it, just one more

[-Griffin]

This wouldn't stay on the field for 10 turns against LS or Zombies .__. It'd prolly be lucky to last 3, although maybe more if the LS Deck wasn't prepared.

[Spoon]

*bump*

[Lexadin]

This is quite the nice card, perhaps combined with a nice Mill/Beatdown Deck. It can be a force to recon with.

I can't spot anything wrong with its OCG (might be becouse its long effect though).

Might be better of as a Lvl 8, but whatever. Like it matters (a lot).

Overall a good card. 9/10

[Spoon]

[quote name='Lexadin' timestamp='1288638028' post='4754856']
This is quite the nice card, perhaps combined with a nice Mill/Beatdown Deck. It can be a force to recon with.

I can't spot anything wrong with its OCG (might be becouse its long effect though).

Might be better of as a Lvl 8, but whatever. Like it matters (a lot).

Overall a good card. 9/10
[/quote]

Thanks, that means a lot to me

*bump*

[Gajit Le'snarg]

i think it's fine at 800 ATK cause traps still exist don't forget, maybe the name could read: ARTEMIS-guardian of river styx(i dont think you would use the article "the" in front of a name of a river, when its not the river of styx, but the river styx) so at least: guardian of river styx xP

[Lord Smeagle]

In everything I've read on Greek mythology it has always been referred to as "The River Styx" in much the same way as people say "The Rio Grande" and not just "Rio Grande"

[Spoon]

[quote name='Lord Smeagle' timestamp='1288714373' post='4756993']
In everything I've read on Greek mythology it has always been referred to as "The River Styx" in much the same way as people say "The Rio Grande" and not just "Rio Grande"
[/quote]

That's what I thought as well...

@Gajit: Artemis? The greek Goddess of Hunt? What's her relation with Styx?
So yeah, another vote for 800... can't you just decide guys?

[Lord Smeagle]

If you plan on making this an Archetype with more cards like Belial, maybe drop to 600. But as weak as she is to start out with, I don't think it's much of an issue. If she survives long enough to top 3500 on her own, there's something wrong with your opponent's Deck (or very right with yours!)

[Gajit Le'snarg]

yes but its the possesion of guardian to the river styx if you said im going to the rio grande it would be the same as saying im going to the river styx but when you say she's the guardian of the river styx your implying that she is the guardian of the river of styx, i don't know if you guys are gonna understand that lol.

when adrasteia(fate) and chronus(time) collided and created the universe(the big bang) from them would spring aither(purity) and chaos(abyss) these two primordial powers would bore the cosmic egg which would hatch to give birth to the omi-being protogonos(first-born) but when the egg was formed erebus(darkness) was trapped inside. and when chronus took aither and chaos and combind them within himself to gain asexual reproduction, eros(god of disire) spawned from the darkness. so phanes(protogonos-god of light) used the rest of his purity to tame the darkness in eros' heart(biblical example of self sacrafice). in return eros gave phanes what he disired most, he could self-bare a child, thus nyx(night) was born. Eros was a sexual force that would permit the work of creation to continue. Eros enabled personified abstractions, such as Nyx and protogonos, to produced offspring as well Gaea self-producing offspring of her own: Uranos(space) Ourea(mountains) and Pontus(sea). gaea had many children with her 3 sons, but its with uranos she bore oceanus and tethys, brother and sister and man and wife, these too birthed styx their oldest child and only river goddess.

RIVER STYX- a river which formed the boundary between Earth and the Underworld. It circles the Underworld nine times. The rivers Styx, Phlegethon, Acheron, and Cocytus all converge at the center of the underworld on a great marsh. The other important rivers of the underworld are Lethe and Eridanos, and Alpheus. like charon is the ferryman of river acheron, Phlegyas is the ferryman of river styx, and was king of the Lapiths, also He was the father of Ixion and Coronis, one of Apollo's lovers. While pregnant with Asclepius, Coronis fell in love with Ischys, son of Elatus. A crow informed Apollo of the affair and he sent his sister, Artemis, to kill Coronis. Apollo rescued the baby though and gave it to the centaur Chiron to raise. Phlegyas was irate and torched the Apollonian temple at Delphi and Apollo killed him, In the Divine Comedy Phlegyas ferries Virgil and Dante across the river Styx. The gods respected the Styx and swore binding oaths on it. Zeus swore to give Semele whatever she wanted and was then obliged to follow through, resulting in her death. Helios similarly promised Phaeton whatever he desired, also resulting in his death. Gods that did not follow through on such an oath had to drink from the river, causing them to lose their voices for nine years. Then, being exiled from the council of gods for nine years after that. According to some versions, Styx had miraculous powers and could make someone invulnerable. According to one tradition, Achilles was dipped in it in his childhood, acquiring invulnerability, with exception of his heel, by which his mother held him.

Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3. 879 ff (trans. Rieu) (Greek epic C3rd B.C.) :
"Artemis, standing in her golden chariot after she has bathed in the gently water of Parthenios or the streams of Amnisos, and driving off with her fast-trotting deer over the hills and far away to some rich-scented sacrifice. Attendant Nymphai have gathered at the source of Amnisos or flocked in from the glens and upland springs to follow her; and fawning beasts whimper in homage and tremble as she passes by."

artemis is the protector of nymphs, and is one of the 3 goddess' sworn virginity to river styx
also artemis' twin brother apollo let his demi-god son ride his chariot he struggled to keep control but could not
and zeus had to strike him out of the sky with a lighting bolt xP
and

and...
was struck down by the bolt and fell into the river styx
so artemis is the closest connected god/goddess to river styx
as well as a skilled huntress and overseer

to river styx, so the best example i could think of, the only better is phlegyas
but thats woman in your pic is kool so dont put no lame-o
beard-brain "fairy"-boat pusher

[Spoon]

[quote name='Lord Smeagle' timestamp='1288714962' post='4757014']
If you plan on making this an Archetype with more cards like Belial, maybe drop to 600. But as weak as she is to start out with, I don't think it's much of an issue. If she survives long enough to top 3500 on her own, there's something wrong with your opponent's Deck (or very right with yours!)[/quote]

They actually were created completely independent from each other But alright, you convinced me, 800 it is, not more, but definitely not less. Fine with me

[quote name='Gajit Le'snarg' timestamp='1288744368' post='4757970']
yes but its the possesion of guardian to the river styx if you said im going to the rio grande it would be the same as saying im going to the river styx but when you say she's the guardian of the river styx your implying that she is the guardian of the river of styx, i don't know if you guys are gonna understand that lol.

when adrasteia(fate) and chronus(time) collided and created the universe(the big bang) from them would spring aither(purity) and chaos(abyss) these two primordial powers would bore the cosmic egg which would hatch to give birth to the omi-being protogonos(first-born) but when the egg was formed erebus(darkness) was trapped inside. and when chronus took aither and chaos and combind them within himself to gain asexual reproduction, eros(god of disire) spawned from the darkness. so phanes(protogonos-god of light) used the rest of his purity to tame the darkness in eros' heart(biblical example of self sacrafice). in return eros gave phanes what he disired most, he could self-bare a child, thus nyx(night) was born. Eros was a sexual force that would permit the work of creation to continue. Eros enabled personified abstractions, such as Nyx and protogonos, to produced offspring as well Gaea self-producing offspring of her own: Uranos(space) Ourea(mountains) and Pontus(sea). gaea had many children with her 3 sons, but its with uranos she bore oceanus and tethys, brother and sister and man and wife, these too birthed styx their oldest child and only river goddess.

RIVER STYX- a river which formed the boundary between Earth and the Underworld. It circles the Underworld nine times. The rivers Styx, Phlegethon, Acheron, and Cocytus all converge at the center of the underworld on a great marsh. The other important rivers of the underworld are Lethe and Eridanos, and Alpheus. like charon is the ferryman of river acheron, Phlegyas is the ferryman of river styx, and was king of the Lapiths, also He was the father of Ixion and Coronis, one of Apollo's lovers. While pregnant with Asclepius, Coronis fell in love with Ischys, son of Elatus. A crow informed Apollo of the affair and he sent his sister, Artemis, to kill Coronis. Apollo rescued the baby though and gave it to the centaur Chiron to raise. Phlegyas was irate and torched the Apollonian temple at Delphi and Apollo killed him, In the Divine Comedy Phlegyas ferries Virgil and Dante across the river Styx. The gods respected the Styx and swore binding oaths on it. Zeus swore to give Semele whatever she wanted and was then obliged to follow through, resulting in her death. Helios similarly promised Phaeton whatever he desired, also resulting in his death. Gods that did not follow through on such an oath had to drink from the river, causing them to lose their voices for nine years. Then, being exiled from the council of gods for nine years after that. According to some versions, Styx had miraculous powers and could make someone invulnerable. According to one tradition, Achilles was dipped in it in his childhood, acquiring invulnerability, with exception of his heel, by which his mother held him.

Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3. 879 ff (trans. Rieu) (Greek epic C3rd B.C.) :
"Artemis, standing in her golden chariot after she has bathed in the gently water of Parthenios or the streams of Amnisos, and driving off with her fast-trotting deer over the hills and far away to some rich-scented sacrifice. Attendant Nymphai have gathered at the source of Amnisos or flocked in from the glens and upland springs to follow her; and fawning beasts whimper in homage and tremble as she passes by."

artemis is the protector of nymphs, and is one of the 3 goddess' sworn virginity to river styx
also artemis' twin brother apollo let his demi-god son ride his chariot he struggled to keep control but could not
and zeus had to strike him out of the sky with a lighting bolt xP
and

and...
was struck down by the bolt and fell into the river styx
so artemis is the closest connected god/goddess to river styx
as well as a skilled huntress and overseer

to river styx, so the best example i could think of, the only better is phlegyas
but thats woman in your pic is kool so dont put no lame-o
beard-brain "fairy"-boat pusher [/quote]

Holy mother of... alright, I get your point, but the name will stay. You want to know why?
[spoiler=Artemis][img]http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2793/234848ti.jpg[/img]
This card cannot be Special Summoned. This card can only be Tribute Summoned by Tributing 1 Beast-Type monster and 1 Warrior-Type monster you control. When this card is in your hand, once per turn, you can reveal it to place 1 Hunt Down Counter on a card your opponent controls. When this card is succesfully Tribute Summoned, destroy all cards with a Hunt Down Counter on them. When this card is discarded from your hand by an opponent's card effect while there is at least 1 Hunt Down Counter on a card they control, remove all Hunt Down Counters and Special Summon 1 "Hunting Beast Token" to your side of the field (Beast-Type/EARTH/Level 2/1200 ATK/400 DEF) for each Counter removed (max. 3). These Tokens cannot be used as Synchro Material Monsters.[/spoiler]
I already made one
And since the lady up there is not "THE Guardian of the River Styx", indicating that there probably are more of them... you could call them underlings It's still the one and only River, but not the one and only guardian... hell, even the ferryman needs a day off once in a while

[Gajit Le'snarg]

2 things:

1.Artemis shouldn't be dark shes the twin sister to the god of light, [u]twin[/u]

2.she is the "protector" of the nymphs and the nymphs live where?
just take a guess? lol
and just to make sure this clicks for ya,

(protector=guardian)they are the same fyi,
just in cause if you aint getting it yet xP

and yes i'm a mythological genus

[Spoon]

[quote name='Gajit Le'snarg' timestamp='1288800963' post='4759084']
2 things:

1.Artemis shouldn't be dark shes the twin sister to the god of light, [u]twin[/u]

2.she is the "protector" of the nymphs and the nymphs live where?
just take a guess? lol
and just to make sure this clicks for ya,

(protector=guardian)they are the same fyi,
just in cause if you aint getting it yet xP[/quote]

I do get it, but I frankly don't care. And now: Keep the OT out of my thread. Thank you.

[Gajit Le'snarg]

i don't knowwhat ot means but whatever you say grumpy

[Spoon]

[quote name='Gajit Le'snarg' timestamp='1288803516' post='4759126']
i don't knowwhat ot means but whatever you say grumpy
[/quote]

Sorry, didn't want to be grumpy... OT means "Off Topic", and that's exactly what it is... so, please comment on the card presented here and not on the Greeks and their odd gods