A Generally Conclusive US Political Spectrum

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[i][b]War on Terror[/b]: Liberal (minus the global warming part)[/i]

Glad you mentioned that. To this day, I have no idea why they even said "global warming is more important" under the liberal side. It does not pertain to the issue, and most liberals don't think of global warming as this big end-of-the-world threat. <___<

[T. Sankara]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1288699697' post='4756713']
I don't agree with either side on any issue.
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This.

[EndsShadow]

[b]Abortion[/b]: N/A, This thing is up for huge amount of debate...but it should be allowed with limitations
[b]Affirmative Action[/b]: Liberal
[b]Death Penalty[/b]: Conservative
[b]Economy[/b]: Liberal
[b]Education[/b]: Liberal
[b]Stem Cell Reserach[/b]: Liberal
[b]Energy[/b]: Liberal
[b]Euthanasia[/b]: Liberal
[b]Global Warming[/b]: Liberal
[b]Gun Control[/b]: Conservative
[b]Health Care[/b]: Conservative
[b]Homeland Security[/b]: Liberal
[b]Immigration[/b]: Conservative
[b]Private Property[/b]: Liberal
[b]Religion[/b]: Conservative
[b]Same-Sex Marriage[/b]: Conservative
[b]Social Security[/b]: Liberal
[b]Taxes[/b]: Conservative
[b]UN[/b]: Liberal
[b]War on Terror[/b]: N/A...I think Bush's adminstration had a part in 911
[b]Welfare[/b]: Conservative

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I forgot to mention (and I will also add this to the first post), that this is also a good political spectrum "test", and it has an up-down level as well as your basic left-right level.

[url="http://www.politicalcompass.org/test"]http://www.politicalcompass.org/test[/url]

It doesn't depict the same liberal/conservative viewpoint that the first link provides, but it is still a means of determining one's political stance.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Mystic Keeper' timestamp='1288881571' post='4760922']
This.
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Boy, you sure must be intellectually independent to not have an opinion on anything. Acting like you can't be labeled doesn't mean you're allowed to not think.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288910055' post='4761938']
Boy, you sure must be intellectually independent to not have an opinion on anything. Acting like you can't be labeled doesn't mean you're allowed to not think.
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Because every issue that ever existed only had two sides, and claiming to take a third side is preposterous because all of our fancy charts and graphs are in two dimensions. [/internetwisdom]

So it screws up your cute little organizational visual? Get. The. Hell. Over. It.



Anyway, my compass thingy: http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.50&soc=-1.18

Edit: So apparently YCM can't handle the compass' image extension. Fail.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1288916604' post='4762213']
Because every issue that ever existed only had two sides, and claiming to take a third side is preposterous because all of our fancy charts and graphs are in two dimensions. [/internetwisdom]

So it screws up your cute little organizational visual? Get. The. Hell. Over. It.



Anyway, my compass thingy: http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.50&soc=-1.18

Edit: So apparently YCM can't handle the compass' image extension. Fail.
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I severally doubt anyone has a view on any of these issues that couldn't be classed as right or left. Pika posted several "exceptions", that all were right or left leaning themselves. And if you're claiming that you aren't taking a side on even one of these issues, you either are over generalizing, or you're a moron.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

[b]Abortion[/b]: Liberal (Woman's body is woman's body)
[b]Affirmative Action[/b]: Conservative (Reverse racism is still racism)
[b]Death Penalty[/b]: Conservative (Eye for a eye)
[b]Economy[/b]: Liberal (Do you really want Wal-Mart to become it's own country?)
[b]Education[/b]: Liberal (Smaller classroom = More attention and 1 on 1 with teacher and getting help instead of having 19 idiots screaming and me having a headache or can't work)
[b]Stem Cell Reserach[/b]: Liberal (Do you really want Uncle Joe to not have his legs back when he came back from (insert recent war here )
[b]Energy[/b]: Liberal (Soon all that fossil fuel is gonna be gone. Then what?)
[b]Euthanasia[/b]: Liberal (If I'm in pain, I'd ether die, freeze myself for the future to cure me, or smoke some Mary Jane to cope with it)
[b]Global Warming[/b]: Liberal (More CO2 = Unhealthy changes, we be adding more then usual man)
[b]Gun Control[/b]: Conservative (Russia Zerg Rushes America, National Guard can't handle, then what?)
[b]Health Care[/b]: Liberal (Safety net for the rainy day people)
[b]Homeland Security[/b]: Liberal (Major point is Russia.)
[b]Immigration[/b]: Liberal (Yeah, since making it harder for immigrantion would definatly help solve it!)
[b]Private Property[/b]: N/A
[b]Religion[/b]: Liberal (I don't want to acknowledge a God that I don't like or believe in)
[b]Same-Sex Marriage[/b]: Liberal (Personally, this affects me if I decide to have a boyfriend wether my dad disagrees with it or not)
[b]Social Security[/b]: Liberal (Yeah, give us your poor and needy. We'll just still treat them like s*** if we don't have a net to catch them falling)
[b]Taxes[/b]: Liberal (All that wasted money......)
[b]UN[/b]: Liberal (United Nations would sound better then USA going alone on stuff)
[b]War on Terror[/b]: Liberal (Oh yeah, sowing more hatred is better then actually reaching out to the people and getting them on our side. Nam proved this.)
[b]Welfare[/b]: Liberal (Find those who abuse it, and keep those who needs it, nonetheless, we need it for our poor. Seriously, if you don't think welfare should be supported, imagine if your family was on it)

Economic Left/Right: -1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

[CrabHelmet]

I disagree with both sides on every issue. Watch this:

[b]Abortion[/b]: Should be mandatory.
[b]Affirmative Action[/b]: Actually, we need to promote more whites to compensate for blacks making them feel guilty.
[b]Death Penalty[/b]: Should be the only punishment. A guilty verdict has a certain probability of incurring death and will otherwise cause no penalty; the more severe the crime, the higher the probability.
[b]Economy[/b]: I'm against it.
[b]Education[/b]: Abolish public schools. Only those clever enough to teach themselves deserve education.
[b]Stem Cell Research[/b]: I don't care. See, look, I'm an independent thinker!
[b]Energy[/b]: Cremation.
[b]Euthanasia[/b]: Good, as it provides more bodies for cremation.
[b]Global Warming[/b]: Real, but I'll be dead by the time it takes effect, so I'm just happy it reduces my heating bill.
[b]Gun Control[/b]: Gun ownership should be mandatory. If everyone owns a gun, everyone will be too scared to attack. Or speak.
[b]Health Care[/b]: I don't care again. See, I'm not a part of your system, man. Am I cool now?
[b]Homeland Security[/b]: Disband the army. If we all have guns, who needs it?
[b]Immigration[/b]: Oppose legal immigration. Support illegal immigration.
[b]Private Property[/b]: I can understand both views about this, and therefore I am a revolutionary thinker who shatters your puny view of the world.
[b]Religion[/b]: Religious people and atheists are both idiots. I am a genius for unspecified reasons.
[b]Same-Sex Marriage[/b]: Should be mandatory.
[b]Social Security[/b]: The issues are too difficult for me to understand.
[b]Taxes[/b]: Why not just tax the taxes people pay? Then the government would get unlimited funds.
[b]UN[/b]: Part of the Antichrist's plan to make people [i]think[/i] the Antichrist has a plan for a one-world government.
[b]War on Terror[/b]: The Chinese freak me out. Why haven't we invaded them?
[b]Welfare[/b]: You should receive welfare if and only if you are employed. This will encourage people to get jobs and reward people who succeed.

As you can see, you can't constrain my brilliant mind to your narrow concepts of liberalism and conservatism. I am a true Ubermensch.

[Tentacruel]

@Crab, You win.


Abortion: Don't care.
Affirmative Action: Idk what this is
Death Penalty: Sure why not.
Economy: idk
Education: Conservative
Stem Cell Reserach: Sure why not.
Energy: Moderatly-Liberal
Euthanasia: Idk what this is
Global Warming: I feel as though both sides are idiots about this issue (at least the outspoken ones anyway)
Gun Control: Moderately conservative (Guns are ok, but do you need an AK to defend yourself?)
Health Care: Idk
Homeland Security: Liberal
Immigration: Midground
Private Property: Conservative
Religion: Conservative
Same-Sex Marriage: Moderately conservative
Social Security: Dunno
Taxes: I vote to increase taxes, so neither
UN: Dunno
War on Terror: Dunno
Welfare: Dunno

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288923277' post='4762621']
Abortion: Don't care.
Affirmative Action: Idk what this is
Death Penalty: Sure why not.
Economy: idk
Education: Conservative
Stem Cell Reserach: Sure why not.
Energy: Moderatly-Liberal
Euthanasia: Idk what this is
Global Warming: I feel as though both sides are idiots about this issue (at least the outspoken ones anyway)
Gun Control: Moderately conservative (Guns are ok, but do you need an AK to defend yourself?)
Health Care: Idk
Homeland Security: Liberal
Immigration: Midground
Private Property: Conservative
Religion: Conservative
Same-Sex Marriage: Moderately conservative
Social Security: Dunno
Taxes: I vote to increase taxes, so neither
UN: Dunno
War on Terror: Dunno
Welfare: Dunno
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At least Crab was kidding when he made his list. =s

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288923277' post='4762621']
Global Warming: I feel as though both sides are idiots about this issue (at least the outspoken ones anyway)
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Indeed, the people claiming it exists and the people claiming it doesn't exist are obviously both wrong.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288928524' post='4762815']
Indeed, the people claiming it exists and the people claiming it doesn't exist are obviously both wrong.
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Position 1: Global warming doesn't exist.

Position 2: Global warming is big problem that needs to be addressed.

Position 3: Global warming exists, but does not pose a significant threat.


Oh snap, that went over two.

WHATEVER SHALL WE DO?!

*hides under desk*

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1288929047' post='4762831']
Position 1: Global warming doesn't exist.

Position 2: Global warming is big problem that needs to be addressed.

Position 3: Global warming exists, but does not pose a significant threat.


Oh snap, that went over two.

WHATEVER SHALL WE DO?!

*hides under desk*
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Oh, no, there's a new Moderately Conservative view! It's not as if a political [b]spectrum[/b] can accommodate that! What a radical jump away from the status quo!

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288921981' post='4762521']
I disagree with both sides on every issue. Watch this:[/quote]
Nope.

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288921981' post='4762521'][b]Education[/b]: Abolish public schools. Only those clever enough to teach themselves deserve education.[/quote]
This is a hyper-conservative position.

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288921981' post='4762521'][b]Gun Control[/b]: Gun ownership should be mandatory. If everyone owns a gun, everyone will be too scared to attack. Or speak.[/quote]
This is basically an extension of the conservative argument as well.

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288921981' post='4762521'][b]Welfare[/b]: You should receive welfare if and only if you are employed. This will encourage people to get jobs and reward people who succeed.[/quote]
This is essentially the concept behind upper-income tax cuts, so this would be conservative.

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288921981' post='4762521']As you can see, you can't constrain my brilliant mind to your narrow concepts of liberalism and conservatism.[/quote]
Keep telling yourself that.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288930368' post='4762874']
Oh, no, there's a new Moderately Conservative view! It's not as if a political [b]spectrum[/b] can accommodate that! What a radical jump away from the status quo!
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Indeed.

How will we ever cope!

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288930456' post='4762877']
[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288921981' post='4762521'][b]Gun Control[/b]: Gun ownership should be mandatory. If everyone owns a gun, everyone will be too scared to attack. Or speak.[/quote]
This is basically an extension of the conservative argument as well.
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I'm recommending that the government interfere in the lives of private citizens and their personal property by forcing them to own guns. That's not small-government conservatism by any stretch of the imagination. If anything, it's a really, really weird brand of liberalism.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288931268' post='4762907']
I'm recommending that the government interfere in the lives of private citizens and their personal property by forcing them to own guns. That's not small-government conservatism by any stretch of the imagination. If anything, it's a really, really weird brand of liberalism.
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Well, its an extension of what was defined as a "conservative" view on gun control in the OP site.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288931766' post='4762922']
Well, its an extension of what was defined as a "conservative" view on gun control in the OP site.
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Only in the superficial sense that this has more guns than the conservative view and the conservative view has more guns than the liberal view. It's a reversal of the non-interference justification for the conservative view.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

Crab, Switzerland actually does this:

Every citizen is required to complete military training, and is then issued a machine gun and ammo.

They are required by law to have these in their house at all times.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288932913' post='4762956']
Only in the superficial sense that this has more guns than the conservative view and the conservative view has more guns than the liberal view. It's a reversal of the non-interference justification for the conservative view.
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But its a continuation of the listed conservative argument of "More guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens mean less crime."

[Amethyst Phoenix]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288933135' post='4762966']
But its a continuation of the listed conservative argument of "More guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens mean less crime."
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Do you always classify things into two categories by slicing off details until you get them down to a single broad trait that is common in one of the two?

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Even if you believed the argument that that's actually a liberal position, I was still correct in my main point that the view could be categorized.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1288933052' post='4762961']
Crab, Switzerland actually does this:

Every citizen is required to complete military training, and is then issued a machine gun and ammo.

They are required by law to have these in their house at all times.
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Indeed, and the tracking and regulations placed on said guns and ammo is actually a rather strict form of gun control, which is why it ends up with much lower violent crime rates than countries that have weak forms of traditional gun control.

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288933574' post='4762986']
Even if you believed the argument that that's actually a liberal position, I was still correct in my main point that the view could be categorized.
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But it's clearly a conservative position by your own argument, so it's not a liberal position either.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288933932' post='4762998']
But it's clearly a conservative position by your own argument, so it's not a liberal position either.
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Whatever. Got any complaints about the other items I discussed?