Its gone, finnaly

[RedRuler]

[quote name='VK's Red Terror' timestamp='1291514273' post='4829910']
Finally this rule is gone.

But soon, we'll all find someone to hate on and create ridiculous rules about.

Now, what can straights and gays both hate?
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There are actually a lot of people that discriminates gays.


[quote name='Blue eyes + Wynn' timestamp='1291517019' post='4830030']
...Catholics?
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Hey!

[Amethyst Phoenix]

It's not alright to hate on gays, but it's fine to hate on catholics.



Oh internet, you teach us so much in the way of consistency..........

[Tentacruel]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1291537620' post='4830645']
It's not alright to hate on gays, but it's fine to hate on catholics.



Oh internet, you teach us so much in the way of consistency..........
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This.

[Dark]

[quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1291537620' post='4830645']
It's not alright to hate on gays, but it's fine to hate on catholics.



Oh internet, you teach us so much in the way of consistency..........
[/quote]

Homosexuals have rarely done anything stupid or unintelligent enough to be worthy of hatred.

Christians, on the other hand...

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

If it's my belief that Christians will go to hell for being Christians then it is within my rights to insult you.

[CinnamonStar]

.:Fader:.: You do realize that this was a random anecdote because everyone basically said what has to be said about this and I didn't feel like quoting and seconding? Also I feel that on a forum about a children's card game I don't need to make huge essays with foot notes and can freaking tell what comes to my mind but if that's not the case...

Meh point is simply, it's not hard to grasp that siding homosexuals out in anything is moronic, be it by common sense or by funny anecdotes like this.=/ Saying that they can't do this or that or take part in something is biased and not based on any empiric proof.

So fine that this rule is gone.

HadesRuler: There's no evidence that he gay himself or how many people in his army were, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Also Dark, there have been good homosexuals, bad homosexuals, bad/stupid Christians who slaughtered others, good Christians who didn't even hurt a mosquito. So that alone is not a criterium to hate anyone but at least the same respect should be brought. Now how stupid they turn after that is a different thing.:S

[Tentacruel]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1291566354' post='4831430']
Homosexuals have rarely done anything stupid or unintelligent enough to be worthy of hatred.

Christians, on the other hand...
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Let me make note of this quote as proof Dark's obvious bias toward religion.

Saying the above quote implies that homosexuals are a separate group from the rest of us, and should be treated as thus. I disagree with that.

[Dark]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1291593621' post='4833003']
Let me make note of this quote as proof Dark's obvious bias toward religion.

Saying the above quote implies that homosexuals are a separate group from the rest of us, and should be treated as thus. I disagree with that.
[/quote]

That "us" better be defined as "heterosexuals", because if it isn't, your force-feeding-words-into-my-mouth strategy not only doesn't work, but makes no sense.

And if that us [i]is[/i] defined as heterosexuals, you are assuming everyone in this topic is a heterosexual, which may or may not be true.

Homosexuals and heterosexuals are seperate groups. Christians and atheists are seperate groups. However, all four are part of a group I like to call humans. It's unfortunate that many Christian preachers don't consider homosexuals as humans, much like white settlers didn't consider Africans as humans. It's the same discrimination, although we fixed the latter one a while ago.

[Ice.]

Probably late, but it wasn't removed yet.

It's a current debate. Derp.

[Tentacruel]

Let me just say that just because someone is against the legal recognizance of gay marriage doesn't mean he or she does not consider them to be human.


Also, I don't think it's fair to say that gay people in general have never done anything wrong. Sure, as a whole, no. But you can't say that [b]every[/b] individual is exempt from doing something stupid.

[Dark]

Let's take every Christian person in the world. Let's also take every homosexual in the world.

Of the homosexuals, what is the probability that any given person has done something bad to society in general?

Of the Christians, what is the probability that any given person has done something bad to society in general?

I can't give you an actual answer since I refuse to conduct such an experiment, but common sense dictates the latter percentage would be significantly higher. I never said the first percentage would be zero, nor do I know where you got that from.

[Tentacruel]

I'd like to point out that "bad" is a subjective term.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Which Christians love to define on a regular basis.

[Tentacruel]

And Dark.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

He's a little bit closer to a decent definition. And why are you so Christian when you acknowledge bad as a subjective term?

[CinnamonStar]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1291603465' post='4833376']
Let's take every Christian person in the world. Let's also take every homosexual in the world.

Of the homosexuals, what is the probability that any given person has done something bad to society in general?

Of the Christians, what is the probability that any given person has done something bad to society in general?

I can't give you an actual answer since I refuse to conduct such an experiment, but common sense dictates the latter percentage would be significantly higher. I never said the first percentage would be zero, nor do I know where you got that from.
[/quote]

Eh this question is impossible to answer and it's quite stupid anyway.=/
I'm also quite certain that you were relying on well-known Christians (crusaders, priests in your area who did something negative/intolerant), in that case the result would be pretty clear. Same thing if you'd only take homosexual rapers. But if you take "normal" people next door, not mentally demented people who just happen to associate themselves with certain movements, be it homosexuals or Christians or people having shoesize 42, then it's hard to say how the experiment would turn out. Also the interesting thing is that are a lot of homosexual Christians.

But like you said, no sane person who go and try to do that.:S

Meh can't we just settle on the idea that there are some people who do negative things (if you don't like the word "bad") and people who do good stuff in every area and community? No matter if you're Christian or gay, Christian AND gay, associated with a crossdresser movement or have shoesize 42.=/

Also I don't think it's relevant whether you think some people are right or not, if it comes down to giving them a minimum of respect and simply accepting their existence (directed especially towards the people who think homosexuals, hermaphrodits etc. are "bad"). No one says they have to be homosexual themselves.:S I also think that Neonazis are bad but I don't go ahead and shoot them.>_>

[quote name='Ice' timestamp='1291595225' post='4833083']
Probably late, but it wasn't removed yet.

It's a current debate. Derp.
[/quote]

Blergh if it's not done yet then I hope they're removing it as soon as possible.:S

[GenzoTheHarpist]

There were probably good Nazis as well. But it doesn't change the fact that some ideologies have inherently destructive facets.

[CinnamonStar]

That's true, some people in my surroundings always give me that "BUT I'M FREE TO HAVE MY OPINION, RAEG!!" Well if you're free to tell it then I'm free to tell my opinion about your opinion too.=/
It also depends on how many of these facets you take and incorporate into your own ideology. People are still free to choose how far they want to "fit into the drawer" or not.

Meh tl;dr, I could personally care less about whether some homosexuals have enough assets to fit into an army or whether there are a few idiots beyond them, the idea of singling them out simply because they exist is stupid.=/
There are some pretty good slogans taken from protests on the Gay Marriage Facebook page, I'll try to take some out if I don't forget.

[Tentacruel]

[quote name='Vuvuzela of Triumph' timestamp='1291671700' post='4834469']
He's a little bit closer to a decent definition. And why are you so Christian when you acknowledge bad as a subjective term?
[/quote]
I'm saying that different people have different opinions of what bad is. Fine, should I argue that Dark's view of what "bad" is, is wrong? I'd likely be laughed at for making such an argument. What I'm saying is, you can't just say, "Religious people think they're right but they aren't so they're causing a negative impact on society," and follow it up with, "Homosexuals are less likely to have done something bad, for reasons that I can't be bothered to cite."

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1291690814' post='4835278']
I'm saying that different people have different opinions of what bad is. Fine, should I argue that Dark's view of what "bad" is, is wrong? I'd likely be laughed at for making such an argument. What I'm saying is, you can't just say, "Religious people think they're right but they aren't so they're causing a negative impact on society," and follow it up with, "Homosexuals are less likely to have done something bad, for reasons that I can't be bothered to cite."
[/quote]
No, but you can say that on account of the many massacres and wars the religious have started their religion has done more harm than good. If they wish to practice it they shouldn't even be allowed to have their opinion limit a human's right to marriage or joining the army. I don't know what Dark was on about the good and bad things done by the religious and gays if you assembled them, but that's my view.