God was stolen.

[LiAM]

[center]So I read that the Egyptian God, Horus, was born December 25th from a virgin mother, signalled by a star in the east,
had three Kings adore him and became a teacher by 12 a long with having 12 disciples. He also healed the sick and walked on
water. Then after being betrayed, he was crucified and buried for 3 days then resurrected. All this sounds familiar.

The Greek God, Attis. Krishna of India. Mithra of Persia and Jesus all shared most of the above attributes. I'm not sure,
but I know of some truth in it.
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[.Starrk]

Familiar indeed. Damn religions being created at close time periods.

[LiAM]

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1292022074' post='4842451']
Familiar indeed. Damn religions being created at close time periods.
[/quote]

I watched a massive video called 'Zeitgeist', I recommend watching it if you can find it.

It said more on the story, but I can only type so much.

Other things it mentioned were that Jesus is just the Sun, as the thing of worship, light and life was the Sun. And then the astral calender, 12 constellations were the 12 disciples, i.e. follows with Jesus in the middle of a big circular motion grid (also becoming the Sun). Therefore being in the middle, he is at the center point of the + cross which brings the imagery of a crucifix.
Also the Sun goes into a crucifix style orbit around 22nd Dec to 25th...

Watch the video, it explains better XD

[.Starrk]

That is some very interesting bullshit. I'm going to find that video now.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

I have heard this theory before. The problem with ancient religions is that they're notoriously hard to verify claims about, because there wasn't a single, codified scripture encompassing them.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1292022973' post='4842498']
I have heard this theory before. The problem with ancient religions is that they're notoriously hard to verify claims about, because there wasn't a single, codified scripture encompassing them.
[/quote]

Exactly. We don't have a primary source that proves the religions to be true.

[LiAM]

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1292023925' post='4842544']
Exactly. We don't have a primary source that proves the religions to be true.
[/quote]

Also if you want to verify religion, you would have to use what we know, which is our senses.

Knowledge from our senses is called empiricism. So if you can see a car, you know it exists. If someone told you there was a pink car round the corner of the street, you wouldn't fully believe it unless you saw it for yourself - empiricism.

So to prove God in the same way that we know everything, we can say he doesn't exist. We have no empirical evidence, we can only go by word and ideas. The evidence stacks up too much against God.

Therefore, Verificationists, from the Vienna Circle concluded there was no God, as he cannot be proven to exist in an empirical word.

Anything other than empirical statements are meaningless, such as, "that's a nice picture" because you're not stating fact, same with "there is a God".

[.Starrk]

[quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1292024193' post='4842557']
Also if you want to verify religion, you would have to use what we know, which is our senses.

Knowledge from our senses is called empiricism. So if you can see a car, you know it exists. If someone told you there was a pink car round the corner of the street, you wouldn't fully believe it unless you saw it for yourself - empiricism.

So to prove God in the same way that we know everything, we can say he doesn't exist. We have no empirical evidence, we can only go by word and ideas. The evidence stacks up too much against God.

Therefore, Verificationists, from the Vienna Circle concluded there was no God, as he cannot be proven to exist in an empirical word.

Anything other than empirical statements are meaningless, such as, "that's a nice picture" because you're not stating fact, same with "there is a God".
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Right. I don't believe things if I don't see anything. That's why I'm atheist.

[LiAM]

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1292024340' post='4842560']
Right. I don't believe things if I don't see anything. That's why I'm atheist.
[/quote]

There are other forms though.

Like Falsification, where [u]everything[/u] is true unless you can prove it wrong.

Then there's Eschatology, where some [u]may or may not be[/u] true, you will only find out when you get there. I.e. Get a present, wonder what it is, you could think it's something you want, but when you open, you find out it's just a pair of socks. You only know when it's revealed. I.E. When you're dead.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1292024930' post='4842578']
There are other forms though.

Like Falsification, where [u]everything[/u] is true unless you can prove it wrong.

Then there's Eschatology, where some [u]may or may not be[/u] true, you will only find out when you get there. I.e. Get a present, wonder what it is, you could think it's something you want, but when you open, you find out it's just a pair of socks. You only know when it's revealed. I.E. When you're dead.
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See that's why I don't want to wait to die to see Jesus. That just makes the whole Christianity thing harder to believe.

[LiAM]

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1292025069' post='4842582']
See that's why I don't want to wait to die to see Jesus. That just makes the whole Christianity thing harder to believe.
[/quote]

Yes well, these aren't my philosophies, I'm only quoting and referencing from actual philosophers and thinkers, mostly from the Vienna Circle.

[Ghoulish]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1292022973' post='4842498']
I have heard this theory before. The problem with ancient religions is that they're notoriously hard to verify claims about, because there wasn't a single, codified scripture encompassing them.
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And then the whole "you can't disprove it" comes into play, but then again you can't "physically prove it."

I try to follow my own made principle, "I trust someone's word not the word of somone."

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Bluster Soldier' timestamp='1292025488' post='4842602']
And then the whole "you can't disprove it" comes into play, but then again you can't "physically prove it."

I try to follow my own made principle, "I trust someone's word not the word of somone."
[/quote]
I don't think you understand what i'm saying. I am not asking whether Horus actually existed, or whether the christian God does. I'm asking whether we can reliably know if Egyptians believed Horus was born on X day, since writings from the time are scarce, and beliefs varied from sect to sect.

This principle doesn't make a bit of sense. Please, try and state it better.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

lol, what if it's the same person?

[Ghoulish]

yea I don't think i read your post to well, basically I'll use God for example:

Word of Somone = Word of God | "Word" = sayings, thoughts, rumours, hearings, spread theories | "Of" = somebody else other then the subject (God)
:. Word of Someone means other people telling me about God, "Have you heard of God?"

Someone's Word = God's Word | "Word" = sayings, thoughts, rumours, hearings, spread theories |
:. Someone's Word means God himself telling me about him, "Hi I'm God"

that's kinda what it's going for, basically eliminating Faith though

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Bluster Soldier' timestamp='1292030121' post='4842831']
yea I don't think i read your post to well, basically I'll use God for example:

Word of Somone = Word of God | "Word" = sayings, thoughts, rumours, hearings, spread theories | "Of" = somebody else other then the subject (God)
:. Word of Someone means other people telling me about God, "Have you heard of God?"

Someone's Word = God's Word | "Word" = sayings, thoughts, rumours, hearings, spread theories |
:. Someone's Word means God himself telling me about him, "Hi I'm God"

that's kinda what it's going for, basically eliminating Faith though
[/quote]
That philosophy seems pretty feeble. Like, when would you ever have a situation where you could use that saying?

[Ghoulish]

When? All the time. Someone comes up to me and says "did you know my cousin can bench 100kg???" I'd say, don't believe it for a second, however, if his cousin came up to me and said "I can bench 100kg" I'd be more inclined to belive him.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Bluster Soldier' timestamp='1292031916' post='4842925']
When? All the time. Someone comes up to me and says "did you know my cousin can bench 100kg???" I'd say, don't believe it for a second, however, if his cousin came up to me and said "I can bench 100kg" I'd be more inclined to belive him.
[/quote]
But in a lot of cases (esp on the internet) that's just silly.

[Ghoulish]

it wouldn't really be for the net though :/ its basically just for "hey guess what happened?!" "[color="#FF0000"]What?" [/color]"this and this happened." "[color="#FF0000"]Mhm I'm sure (sarcasm)[/color]"

lol i can see what you mean I dunno can't think of to many cases where it would be silly.

[Tentacruel]

lolreligionrant

But really, we're not supposed to make threads like this.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

Here are some other connections.
Buddhism-Siddhartha Gautama sits under the Bodhi tree for 40 days and forty nights while being tempted by evil spirits.
Christianity-Jesus wanders the Desert for 40 Days and 40 nights being tempted by satan but refusing for 3 out of those 40 days.

Greek Mythology-When Hercules is born he chokes to death two snakes planning to kill him.
Christianity-The icon of the devil is a snake.

Greek Mythology-When hercules dies he ascends into Mount Olympus.
Islam-Muhammed ascends to heaven in Jerusalem.

And the actual story goes that Isis after bringing the body parts of Osiris back together impregnates herself with him causing her to bear a son... Horus.

[LiAM]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1292082270' post='4844252']
Here are some other connections.
Buddhism-Siddhartha Gautama sits under the Bodhi tree for 40 days and forty nights while being tempted by evil spirits.
Christianity-Jesus wanders the Desert for 40 Days and 40 nights being tempted by satan but refusing for 3 out of those 40 days.

Greek Mythology-When Hercules is born he chokes to death two snakes planning to kill him.
Christianity-The icon of the devil is a snake.

Greek Mythology-When hercules dies he ascends into Mount Olympus.
Islam-Muhammed ascends to heaven in Jerusalem.
[/quote]

A good few points but the snake isn't a devil in Christianity, it's represented as a Serpent. But painted and depicted as a snake.

Same case with the forbidden fruit. Could be anything. But painters chose to pain an apple (as it's a common fruit).

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

Well in in the book of genesis after Lilith is gone and eve has replaced her a Satan disguised as a snake tricks her and Adam into eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge causing them to realize who they are and are forced down from the Garden Of Eden

[LiAM]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1292082954' post='4844273']
Well in in the book of genesis after Lilith is gone and eve has replaced her a Satan disguised as a snake tricks her and Adam into eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge causing them to realize who they are and are forced down from the Garden Of Eden
[/quote]

It says serpent, cartoons and such say it's a snake.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

well you got me on that one woops.

And i almost forgot Greek Myhtology-Zues imprgnates the mother of Hercules.
Christianity-God impregnates the mother of jesus.