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opinion*

but keep going manjy.

Your side is an opinion (and wrong)

whilst Manjy's side and my side are correct. |:

The fact that Gorz is at double beatstick +1 that comes from nowhere that has a large chance that it will win you the game is good for the game? Riiiiight...
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[quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1293374050' post='4884246']
lolnoob
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That is you.

[quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1293374050' post='4884246']
1- OTKs are bad for the game
Gorz stops OTKs
=Gorz is good for the game
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Gorz stops OTKs like Heavy Storm punishes overextension. Sure, they both do those things, but their effects are so powerful that they end up doing something more that's really bad for the game.
I can't count the amount of times I've won with:
• a topdecked Cyber Dragon
• a Gorz in my hand

If I can't remember how many times I've won with a lucky draw, I would start thinking that cards that allow me to win against impressive opponents are a bit too powerful for the game.
Being able to spit out a big beatstick or dish back a large amount of burn damage, in addition to another 2700 ATK body (Level 7 to work with Level 1 Tuners), all with just one card that isn't even on the field yet, is just so easily bad for the game.

[quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1293374050' post='4884246']
2- Gorz is easy to play around, easy to get rid of
you suck if you think Gorz should be banned.
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BLACK LUSTA SOULJA ONVOY UV TEH BEGGINING CANZ BE STOPPD BY ATTACKSTOPPAS, SUMMON NEGATAHS, AND MUNSTA KILING CAHDS, PUT IT BACK TO 3 TROLOLOL!
The point: counterability =/= balance. Just because there exists monster destruction to get rid of Gorz and Kaien (the token, as it is "canonically" called), doesn't mean you'll always have that destruction to stop it from doing any destruction and/or damage. If it stays out for even just one round, the damage and destruction it will cause will be considerable.
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[quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1293378166' post='4884342']
That is you.


Gorz stops OTKs like Heavy Storm punishes overextension. Sure, they both do those things, but their effects are so powerful that they end up doing something more that's really bad for the game.
I can't count the amount of times I've won with:
• a topdecked Cyber Dragon
• a Gorz in my hand

If I can't remember how many times I've won with a lucky draw, I would start thinking that cards that allow me to win against impressive opponents are a bit too powerful for the game.
Being able to spit out a big beatstick or dish back a large amount of burn damage, in addition to another 2700 ATK body (Level 7 to work with Level 1 Tuners), all with just one card that isn't even on the field yet, is just so easily bad for the game.


BLACK LUSTA SOULJA ONVOY UV TEH BEGGINING CANZ BE STOPPD BY ATTACKSTOPPAS, SUMMON NEGATAHS, AND MUNSTA KILING CAHDS, PUT IT BACK TO 3 TROLOLOL!
The point: counterability =/= balance. Just because there exists monster destruction to get rid of Gorz and Kaien (the token, as it is "canonically" called), doesn't mean you'll always have that destruction to stop it from doing any destruction and/or damage. If it stays out for even just one round, the damage and destruction it will cause will be considerable.
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Did you just compare GORZ with BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER-EOB ? srsly ???
Fail..

damn I can't believe how bad you guys are
here in my town, Gorz was NEVER a problem to anyone, he was NEVER broken, and he was NEVER a "winning condition", and he will never be
the thing is you guys are so bad at this game
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[quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1293379982' post='4884406']
Did you just compare GORZ with BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER-EOB ? srsly ???
Fail..
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I wasn't comparing them per se; I was showing you that counterability doesn't mean a card is balanced. Gorz and BLS are each very vulnerable to destruction (technically, Gorz is less vulnerable since the token would need a second 1for1 destruction card, but I digress) but yet they are both extremely powerful.

[quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1293379982' post='4884406']
damn I can't believe how bad you guys are
here in my town, Gorz was NEVER a problem to anyone, he was NEVER broken, and he was NEVER a "winning condition", and he will never be
the thing is you guys are so bad at this game
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If Gorz isn't broken in your town, your town sucks at yugioh.
It sounds like your locals is holy destruction on a destruction sandwich with destruction on top, and a side helping of destruction.
Is Red Nova Dragon broken at your locals because it can't be destroyed by card effects?
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[quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1293381284' post='4884442']
I wasn't comparing them per se; I was showing you that counterability doesn't mean a card is balanced. Gorz and BLS are each very vulnerable to destruction (technically, Gorz is less vulnerable since the token would need a second 1for1 destruction card, but I digress) but yet they are both extremely powerful.



If Gorz isn't broken in your town, your town sucks at yugioh.
It sounds like your locals is holy destruction on a destruction sandwich with destruction on top, and a side helping of destruction.
Is Red Nova Dragon broken at your locals because it can't be destroyed by card effects?
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Gorz is summoned in the OPPONENT's TURN = You can attack him in your battle phase, you can do something in your MP2
Gorz is summoned with no backrow for protection = Your attack will not be stopped, whatever you will do in your MP2 will not be countered
Of course you know that, and you should know that putting this with BLS in the "extremely powerful" level is just, ignorance

The people here in my town have every meta deck. They also netdeck everydeck that wins YCS and other CSs for fun. They are geniuses at this game, played it since the day it came out. Yeah, since the release of "Legend of Blue eyes", BEFORE you kids here knew it and learned playing it.
We know if the opponent is up for a Gorz play, think of a way to get rid of it before it comes to the field.
lolRed Nova ..
Both Red Nova and Shooting star are not a problem here either
As I told you, the people here are GENIUSES at this game, unlike you kids. That's why Gorz is not a problem to us, nor is any other card in the game. [/discussion]
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He said it, guys. You can't argue with card game GENIUSES.

Gorz was better last format when HS was still around, now everyone either runs a lot of traps or Decrees. He's still fun in some Frognarch variant but he's not as good as he used to be. You can create some lulzy stuff though.

> Summon Rat while you have no other cards
> Ram it into something
> Summon Gorz
> Bring out GUB
> Synch for 8
> Return GUB
> Synch for another 8

Opponent is like wut.
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[quote name='~ Epic Hero - Saber ~' timestamp='1293384275' post='4884532']
He said it, guys. You can't argue with card game GENIUSES.

Gorz was better last format when HS was still around, now everyone either runs a lot of traps or Decrees. He's still fun in some Frognarch variant but he's not as good as he used to be. You can create some lulzy stuff though.

> [b]Summon Rat while you have no other cards
> Ram it into something
> Summon Gorz[/b]
> Bring out GUB
> Synch for 8
> Return GUB
> Synch for another 8

Opponent is like wut.
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Similar scenario:
[quote=Similar Scenario]If your opponent activates an effect that destroys the only card on your side of the field and also inflicts damage to your Life Points, you can activate "Gorz the Emissary of Darkness'" effect. If the destroyed card has an effect that activates at this time, you can still activate the effect of "Gorz the Emissary of Darkness". The effect of the destroyed card and the effect of "Gorz the Emissary of Darkness" will form a Chain.[1][/quote]

Also, if that is illegal, how does this work:
[quote=If it is invalid then how does this work?]If your opponent inflicts battle damage to your Life Points with a monster like "Airknight Parshath" or "Spirit Reaper", you can activate the effect of "Gorz the Emissary of Darkness". The effect of your opponent's "Airknight Parshath" or "Spirit Reaper" will be Chain Link 1 and the effect of your "Gorz the Emissary of Darkness" will be Chain Link 2.[1][/quote]

If, by chance, it indeed turns out to be illegal, then I've trolled way too many people in YVD.
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I suppose, since it is clarified that monsters are sent to the Graveyard at the end of the Damage Step, after damage is dealt. Still surprising how many people have fallen for it, and how noone argued it after I showed them the above rulings. The second ruling is still a gray area though. That's why I began thinking it this way after I researched it to begin with.
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[quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1293382955' post='4884476']
Gorz is summoned in the OPPONENT's TURN = You can attack him in your battle phase, you can do something in your MP2
Gorz is summoned with no backrow for protection = Your attack will not be stopped, whatever you will do in your MP2 will not be countered
Of course you know that, and you should know that putting this with BLS in the "extremely powerful" level is just, ignorance

The people here in my town have every meta deck. They also netdeck everydeck that wins YCS and other CSs for fun. They are geniuses at this game, played it since the day it came out. Yeah, since the release of "Legend of Blue eyes", BEFORE you kids here knew it and learned playing it.
We know if the opponent is up for a Gorz play, think of a way to get rid of it before it comes to the field.
lolRed Nova ..
Both Red Nova and Shooting star are not a problem here either
As I told you, the people here are GENIUSES at this game, unlike you kids. That's why Gorz is not a problem to us, nor is any other card in the game. [/discussion]
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Effect Veiler, D.D. Crow, Necro Gardna, etc. exists, so it's not like Gorz will always be completely undefended.
"Extremely powerful" is a very wide range of levels of cards. BLS-EotE is at the higher levels of extremely powerful.

Okay, so they spend a lot of money to copy the top decks. That doesn't make them geniuses, that means they pilot powerful decks that may or may not use a lot of skill.
Longevity doesn't make a person good, so saying that these people have played it since LoB doesn't mean anything. Playing meta decks doesn't make a person good either.
Okay, so you'd think of a way to defeat Gorz. Well, it's not like every deck is 100% removal, so what if there isn't one in your hand? You'll just wait around to get the cards you need while they build up their resources? What if they never play a card down except facedowns in 2s (one could be an MST)?

The only way I'll believe these peoples are geniuses at the game is if you can prove that they competed in the higher-up tournaments (Nationals, Worlds, or any other really high-up tournaments if others exist).

Also, the fact that your town says no card is a problem implies that they are complacent with any of the recent banlists and don't bother to think about which cards are banworthy or not, so how could you tell if a card is banworthy?
Remember, counterability =/= balance. Almost every card can be stopped, and the current ones that can't generally are unplayable anyway.
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[quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1293394812' post='4884814']
Effect Veiler, D.D. Crow, Necro Gardna, etc. exists, so it's not like Gorz will always be completely undefended.
"Extremely powerful" is a very wide range of levels of cards. BLS-EotE is at the higher levels of extremely powerful.
[b]Yeah, and Gorz is not in the "extremely powerful" level. In fact he's far away from being extremely powerful[/b]

Okay, so they spend a lot of money to copy the top decks. That doesn't make them geniuses, that means they pilot powerful decks that may or may not use a lot of skill.
[b]If you read again you'll notice that I wrote "FOR FUN"[/b]

Longevity doesn't make a person good, so saying that these people have played it since LoB doesn't mean anything. Playing meta decks doesn't make a person good either.
[b]Longevity = more experience. More experience = better duelist.[/b]
Okay, so you'd think of a way to defeat Gorz. Well, it's not like every deck is 100% removal, so what if there isn't one in your hand? You'll just wait around to get the cards you need while they build up their resources? What if they never play a card down except facedowns in 2s (one could be an MST)?
[b]Gorz punishes bad players. When the opponent's field is clear, always keep Gorz in mind. If the opponent has Gorz, they will likely drop it on your highest ATK monster. Attack starting from the weakest monster, then stop at the strongest one. Opponent did not summon Gorz, and they will dfntly fill their field next turn OR drop their Gorz on the next first attack. I'll say it again, Gorz punishes BAD PLAYERS [/b]

The only way I'll believe these peoples are geniuses at the game is if you can prove that they competed in the higher-up tournaments (Nationals, Worlds, or any other really high-up tournaments if others exist).
[b]Unfortunatly we don't have regionals nor Nationals here[/b]

Also, the fact that your town says no card is a problem implies that they are complacent with any of the recent banlists and don't bother to think about which cards are banworthy or not, so how could you tell if a card is banworthy?
Remember, counterability =/= balance. Almost every card can be stopped, and the current ones that can't generally are unplayable anyway.
[b]Duh we all have insanely broken cards that [b][i][u]were[/u][/i][/b] 100% banworthy, but are not anymore. Remember how JD was a terror to everyone in the past. Everyone was saying it's 1000% banworthy, yet it remained @2, and now It's just another regular boss monster and no one is whining about it anymore. Why?[/b]
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