[Single] - Thought I'd have a go at exceeds.

[-Griffin]

[IMG]http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2974/midorimasteroftwos.png[/IMG]
[quote]
2 Level 2 Spellcaster-Type Monsters
When this card is Summoned, both players draw a card. When this card is removed from the field and had two overlays, destroy 2 face-up monsters.[/quote]
IDK where image is from. FW's archive iirc.

This card is pro.

For those of you who can't see the Deck:
1) You're TCG-blind. Go get some experience with how stuff works.
2) ^^^ that
3) Fine, I'll explain;
[spoiler= Explanation of the Deck with details left out]
[url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Apprentice_Magician]Apprentice Magician[/url] has been a consistent engine for various Decks for the longest time now. It was a solid monarch engine, a good synchro engine, and I'll be dammed if it doesn't find a place as an Exceed engine somewhere or another.
Since [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/T.G._Hyper_Librarian]Hyper Librarian[/url] was released, it's been best friends with [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Synchro_Fusionist]Synchro Fusionist[/url] since after Fusionist has died off, combos can start, and it's a solid way to search it. The combo in question is that [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Junk_Synchron]Junk Synchron[/url] can revive it, then Synch into Librarian. Fusionist grabs [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Miracle_Synchro_Fusion]Miracle Synchro Fusion[/url] and you're already set for [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Supreme_Arcanite_Magician]a big drop[/url] when you lose your Librarian. The Deck's been pretty decent since it's very consistent due to searchable components.
Since it uses the Apprentice engine, it's already totally able to run 3 different level 2 Spellcasters that have staying power. Add to that the fact Junk can call them back, and that it's not impossible to propose teching [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Night's_End_Sorcerer]Night's End Sorcerer[/url] or something, and you've got a very consistent stream of monsters to set up Exceeds.
That means you've got a Spellcaster-based Synchro-heavy Fusion-and-Exceed capable Deck. Basically, Yugi+Jaden+Yusei+Whoever-this-new-one-is all in one Deck that actually works. It's pro.
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2200 ATK is made to run over CyDra, which means it clears all cheap threats without being too much ATK-wise for losing some level 2s.
It's type-bound to stop abuse with Ojamas and Giant Virus or whatever people are going to abuse exceeds with.
The draw effect and destroy effect are images of the engine it comes from - Old Vindictive Magician and Crystal Seer are the two classic monsters the engine Summons.
LIGHT since OVM and Apprentice are DARK, so a Chaos variant is totally plausible.
The engine isn't lightning fast, so I highly doubt that you'll see any 'abuse' with the draw effect.
The destroy effect is a skill thing. It can very easily fizzle or nuke yourself if you don't know when to Summon it.

I don't actually care much for image/OCG/template stuff, so please just stick to playability comments (I'll be amazed if RC can manage this)

[spoiler=To those who would complain about Exceeds]
It's obvious that there was going to be, and is, some hate towards the exceed monsters, just as there was for Synchro monsters. Yes, it's changing the game, but one of the only things that keeps YGO interesting is the changing game made by new packs and banlists. The actual fact it's a new mechanic doesn't matter. If they'd made them contact fusions between two same-leveled monsters that then put the cards under them, there would probably be almost no negative reaction - it'd just be some more cards. Getting a mechanic they're going to use a lot and making a new card-type just stops them having to re-print the rules for it on every damn card. Yes, it's largely a commercial thing to sell to the children because 'new card types are c00l', but that doesn't change how good or bad it will be for the game. They really don't seem like they're going to harm in game in any way, and I personally thank the fact they avoided reprinting redundant text on every card by changing the colour. Get over it.[/spoiler]

[-DOOM]

Very nice. I actually don't know what to say..... Only destroying 2 monsters [u]might[/u] possibly be a tiny bit too much...

Very nice work.

[-Griffin]

Thank you.
I could see where you're coming from, but I think it's an interesting effect that can fizzle easily, and it's Deck-bound pretty heavily.

[MystirMeme]

.....I think I might try that deck out sometime.

I dunno if it's OP just because of the Rank but I dunno Exeed monsters that much. Good way to draw, destroy 2 cards (might be oped like Hp Doom said but at least it isnt an Absolute Zero [cwutididthar?]) and 2200 ATK. Seems pretty Staple in such a deck.

8.5/10.

[-Griffin]

I would rather hope it was a staple in the Deck it was designed specifically to be used in, and which it's theme-stamp stops it really being used out of. Thanks I guess. Still rather like the 'must hit 2' since compulse can turn into a +2 against you if you're bad.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

I'm only really iffy at the fact that it has no downsides on getting no monsters layered to it which makes it clearly overpowered...

[-Griffin]

...How does that make it overpowered when it doesn't use them in the first place? That's like saying Ritual Spell Cards that do anything from the Graveyard are broken because it's not normal for them and it's a bonus on top of the normal stuff.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

[quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1298470630' post='5028746']
...How does that make it overpowered when it doesn't use them in the first place? That's like saying Ritual Spell Cards that do anything from the Graveyard are broken because it's not normal for them and it's a bonus on top of the normal stuff.
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It is becuase this card is inmumme to all the anti Exceed Crap...when other Exceed...facuks you up if they are book'd or get their Fusion Materials removed by any means this one says Ok I dont care...

[-Griffin]

...If this was a contact fusion between two level 2 Spellcasters, would it be that much different? Would that make you more happy? >:

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

you could just say:
"When this card is removed from the field and it has 2 (Overlay thingies) on it, destroy 2 face-up monsters."

And that's pretty much all...XD

[-Griffin]

Will do.
EDIT: New effect is up. Use the one in the quote.

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

If you wonder what that image is, that Hermes the persona Junpei used in Persona 3 game, he was known for class clown.
Technically it Oped in both stats and effects, the rank 2 have strength and ability of level 2-3 but since you add type to be specific then it's similar to level 3-4 instead so you have to downgrade both stats and effect a little. I have made a rank 3 spellcaster with spellcaster requirement, it hold up the equivalent to level 5-6 instead of 4-5. I had explain those detail the yugioh tcg the exceed summon info thread upon my evaluation of balance.

[-Griffin]

...Rank 2s have stats & effects of level 2s? So you give up two monsters with power level x, for a monster of power level x? Surely that would just make Synchros strictly superior since you tend to give up two monsters with power level x for power level 2x+y.
Seriously. It's got to be on par with theme-stamped level 4 Synchs. That means at least as good at Jet Black Zumwalt or The Fabled Unicore. Those are far from the power you get from standard fare level 3-4. I have no idea where you're getting these abstract levels from, but I'm rather certain you're wrong.

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

Well rank 2 been given example in yugioh wikia, even with attribute or type requirement it will only slightly boost a difference, so far a rank 2 monster we seen have power similar to level 3, as for rank 3 = level 5 and rank 4 = level 7 but those with generic so with more specification it will just boost a bit in stats and ability potential.
As the rank don't contain level but their stats and ability regard in rank show "level potentiality" to determined the difference. Revised dragon is like a "level 5" with attack boost up to 3000 and liability to attack directly, gaining 500 up to 2 turn is like level 6 then it take away it's ability to attack directy which that is important part so that end up like level 5. To most eyes they are like just monsters with " spell counters" except with "Exceed Material Monsters".

[-Griffin]

The whole TCG section, upon seeing the Exceeds we've actually seen, declared them rubbish and unplayable. If I make them to that standard, I'm an idiot.

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

Hmm can't be helped, it been said they were made upon for kid audience rather young adult audience hence the card frame that was deem childish said the contributors. Heh unless they can differ two different for them, it been resort like this.