Dark Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 What happens when you have a single atom down at absolute zero, or 0 Kelvin (-273 Celcius)? We can predict that an atom would cease all vibrations and thus would not move, but would it still be "affected" by "time" (quotes necessary)? Would it just goddamn explode? Personally, and this is just a bullshit theory, I can imagine the atom affecting atoms around it, turning them into 0 Kelvin, creating an infinite chain reaction that would eventually destroy the entire universe. But we haven't hit 0 Kelvin yet, so we can't really say for sure. IF YOU ARE STUPID DO NOT POST. STUPID PEOPLE WILL POST ANYWAYS, I KNOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 inb4cardpicofabsolutezero. I think that the atom in question would just cease movement, like you said. Nothing more, nothing less. I personally don't believe that it would destroy the entire universe. That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Maybe I didn't learn this correctly, but it's impossible to make a chain reaction. If other atoms touch the absolute zero atom, then the absolute zero won't be zero since the heat would transfer from the other atoms to the zero atom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='Clair' timestamp='1298692838' post='5035112'] inb4cardpicofabsolutezero. I think that the atom in question would just cease movement, like you said. Nothing more, nothing less. I personally don't believe that it would destroy the entire universe. That's ridiculous. [/quote] So would that object be affected by any sort of time? Would that object be affected by gravity or any other forces of motion? [quote name='Twig' timestamp='1298693106' post='5035125'] Maybe I didn't learn this correctly, but it's impossible to make a chain reaction. If other atoms touch the absolute zero atom, then the absolute zero won't be zero since the heat would transfer from the other atoms to the zero atom. [/quote] It's really all theoretical, but how can one be sure that an atom at absolute zero [i]is even able to[/i] revert back to any sort of "heated" stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Wait, let me go to the wikia and get th- Damnit. I'd say that an atom reaching Absolute Zero would be impossible, considering even the slightest alteration in temperature would grow it off. Thus, the environments that we can create aren't stable enough to support an atom of such lack of energy. To get such an environment, you'd have to remove wind, temperature, and tall other weight/gravity. Yet, to bring something to absolute zero is impossible naturally, requiring various freezing equipment. So, as of right now, Absolute Zero is an impossible idea. If I were to hazard a guess, it wouldn't remain in that state for long, but would begin moving even a split-second after reaching AZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 My best guess on the subject is that there would be a chain reaction, but it would be confined to a specific area. Twig basically gives the idea, but it would take a fairly substantial heat source to make an impact. Also, yes, time would probably still be a factor, but a very minimal one. It really depends on how well preserved an organism is. If the extreme cold doesn't kill the organism outright, which it in all honesty probably would, a being could exist for a long time in frozen captivity but would slowly decay. For the most part you would be dead no matter what happens, so your body would just be preserved for a long time. After so long your body won't be able to restart itself if it even thaws. Also, gravity will always affect the object, and most laws of motion will never come into effect. Finally, don't think that it is just simple to change the temperature once it hits this point. It has literally reached the coldest point possible to known science at this point. It takes a massive amount of heat or heat over a fairly extended amount of time to change the temperature like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1298692421' post='5035098'] Personally, and this is just a bullshit theory, I can imagine the atom affecting atoms around it, turning them into 0 Kelvin, creating an infinite chain reaction that would eventually destroy the entire universe. [/quote] I have something to tell you [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1298692421' post='5035098'] IF YOU ARE STUPID DO NOT POST. STUPID PEOPLE WILL POST ANYWAYS, I KNOW. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='BehindTheMask' timestamp='1298693993' post='5035173'] I have something to tell you [/quote] At least I stated it was a bullshit theory before I posted it to indicate that I'm fairly sure s[b][/b]hit like that wouldn't happen in a rational, physical world. Unfortunately for you, so far, you have posted the most irrelevant and useless post out of all of us, and that just adds to the irony, does it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 There are several variables, depending on what element that atom is in, reactivity could be one thing. If absolute zero were to take away the element's valence electrons, perhaps there could be a small chemical chain reaction and unbalances. (Depending on the element's and the atoms, properties.) I would have to say that the atom will just stop moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1298693940' post='5035167'] My best guess on the subject is that there would be a chain reaction, but it would be confined to a specific area. Twig basically gives the idea, but it would take a fairly substantial heat source to make an impact. Finally, don't think that it is just simple to change the temperature once it hits this point. It has literally reached the coldest point possible to known science at this point. It takes a massive amount of heat or heat over a fairly extended amount of time to change the temperature like that. [/quote] The reason why it's impossible is because anything and everything the zero atom touches will transfer heat to that atom, thus changing it's temperature. Even if it's just a 0.0000001 k change. While it is impossible, you can still get very close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Well we won't know until we see an atom at absolute zero no will we? (Note that "see" is not meant to be a literal term in this sentence.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1298694476' post='5035192'] At least I stated it was a bullshit theory before I posted it to indicate that I'm fairly sure s[b][/b]hit like that wouldn't happen in a rational, physical world. Unfortunately for you, so far, you have posted the most irrelevant and useless post out of all of us, and that just adds to the irony, does it not? [/quote] Stop being a failtroll. One, Temperature is just a measure of energy. Two, Heat "moves" from hotter to colder. Take an ice cube and place it on the table. Watch it melt. If your theory were to hold up then the ice cube would turn the whole room to the temperature it was at. Three, "Time is a part of the measuring system used to sequence events, to compare the durations of events and the intervals between them, and to quantify rates of change such as the motions of objects.[1]" So if something had 0 temperature, and thus 0 energy, how could it interact with anything? Why would you even make such a stupid theory? I mean, you aren't going to gain anything insightful by attracting idiots discussing the stupid theory. It doesn't take a genius to realize that the theory contradicts itself with its premises. Fourthly, we had a similar discussion about absolute zero a while back started by Icy. I came into the topic and wrecked it using science and logic. Paraphrasing: Everything stops moving completely(absolute 0) for 40 years. After that, everything went back to normal, would 40 years have passed? Anyway, the point is, we've already had this discussion, and I answered it back then too. Stop being an idiot. I mean, I misread your post, which is my bad, but still, I at least have the decency to not make a topic without doing a little research before hand. I mean, It's not like taking 2 minutes to google what you want to talk about is going to kill you. You might even answer your own question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishi-chan Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I got curious and sought out how close we've actually come. [quote]Modern experimenters achieve temperatures measured in hundred billionths of a degree above absolute zero. This is achieved in dynamic environments. It has not yet been possible to achieve temperatures below 1 μK in equilibrium.[/quote] [url=Link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldest_temperature_achieved_on_earth[/url] We talk about this so much in my Science class. The moment anyone says "absolute" or "zero" in any way, shape, or form, the topic immediately comes up. What it really all boils down to is theory, what we [u]think[/u] we can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 An atom would not explode if it were to cease mobility due to the fact that there is no friction acting against the atom. It would not disintegrate if someone were to apply enough friction proportionate to the size and amount of atoms. Like what Twig said, energy can be transferred to the dormant atom and re-animate it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 troll thread? Absolute zero is unachievable, ever. There will always be heat somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glоrious Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 When I saw this thread, I thought it was a pretty interesting and opened it. Read through it and it sounded sophisticated. Then I reached the end and read this: [quote]IF YOU ARE STUPID DO NOT POST. STUPID PEOPLE WILL POST ANYWAYS, I KNOW.[/quote] Now, see, you can't really say that, since stupidity is an opinion. What you view stupid, others may feel different. This greatly increases chances of potential flame and argument. Why is this relevant? Due to the simple fact that this is a troll thread. The original question seemed to have no basis to it; it didn't serve a purpose. You just wanted to troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 There is still a vibration at absolute zero. This is called "Zero-Point Energy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel. Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Erm. Third Law of Thermodynamics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishi-chan Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 [quote name='Horrific' timestamp='1298796141' post='5037873'] Erm. Third Law of Thermodynamics? [/quote] [quote] The third law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of a system at absolute zero is a well-defined constant. This is because a system at zero temperature exists in its ground state, so that its entropy is determined only by the degeneracy of the ground state. It means that "it is impossible by any procedure, no matter how idealised, to reduce any system to the absolute zero of temperature in a finite number of operations".[/quote] In case nobody knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel. Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I know what the laws of thermodynamics are >.>... Ask Stephen Hawking. The greatest Theoretical Physicist in the world might have a theory that isn't bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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