:bcoe Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [URL=http://img193.imageshack.us/i/904657193jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg/][IMG]http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2435/904657193jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Uploaded with [URL=http://imageshack.us]ImageShack.us[/URL] Lore: Flip 3 cards on the field into face-down defence position. Abusable...yes, but only in the right deck build. Possible neg effects I could add-on: [Remove from play 3 monster cards in your Graveyard ,, ,, ,, ,, from the controller of the cards effected Graveyard. Flip effects are negated Flip 5 cards Discard 1 card etc.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NEW [URL=http://img849.imageshack.us/i/872705069jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg/][IMG]http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3217/872705069jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Uploaded with [URL=http://imageshack.us]ImageShack.us[/URL] Lore: Flip this card and 1 other face-up Spell or Trap card on the field into its set position. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ EVEN NEWER [URL=http://img18.imageshack.us/i/072924354jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg/][IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1879/072924354jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Uploaded with [URL=http://imageshack.us]ImageShack.us[/URL] Lore: Flip all cards (Monster, Spell, Trap) on your side of the field into their set positions. For each card effected, flip the same number of cards your opponent controls into their set position. Neither player can flip/or activate the cards effected for the next two turns (except by card effect). ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happybaby9 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Book of moon, but 3 times as good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Book of Moon is now limited. Even though many people don't think BoM should've been limited, they will still agree that it is abusable. This does 3x as much as book of moon. There's a big problem here. As for the other card, Synchro abuse with Call of the Haunted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecha Love Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 ^agreed. According to Konami it is over powered seeing as BoM is now limited. Sorry mate However would be a good card but it can be used so many times it is unreal :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathcore Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Beginning: "[i]Flip 3 face-up monsters on the field into face-down Defense Position.[/i]" Equidistance: "[i]Flip this card and 1 other face-up Spell or Trap Card into a Set Position.[/i]" Those are my fixes. Don't know if it's the official OCg though. Book of Moon is a staple in any deck and it's Limited. This does three times as much and that's just wrong. Konami would ban this almost immediately if it was released. Especially with Exceeds coming. Second card...I'm not quite sure on the effect. Can you re-Set the card that was just activated? I'm not sure. You might want to clear that up. 6/10. Alright, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:bcoe Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Elemental Dragon' timestamp='1299087462' post='5045907'] ^agreed. According to Konami it is over powered seeing as BoM is now limited. Sorry mate However would be a good card but it can be used so many times it is unreal :/ [/quote] [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1299085938' post='5045872'] Book of Moon is now limited. Even though many people don't think BoM should've been limited, they will still agree that it is abusable. This does 3x as much as book of moon. There's a big problem here. As for the other card, Synchro abuse with Call of the Haunted. [/quote] I know how good book of moon is and I know that its limited to 1. Did anyone give the card a good look or think? It's not a quick-play card. I've taken away its best asset. Secondly it says 3 cards. Not up to 3. So what if your opponent only has 1 monster? You'd have to flip 2 of your own monsters. And it needs at least 3 monsters face-up even to be activated. As for the second card, I think you pointed out one of its biggest strengths (TH Meta), but its not too abusable since it would set the card and therefor have to wait until the next turn before activating its effect. Also its not a quick-play, so if you activate the trap during your opponents turn your stranded. [quote name='Deathcore' timestamp='1299087539' post='5045910'] Beginning: "[i]Flip 3 face-up monsters on the field into face-down Defense Position.[/i]" Equidistance: "[i]Flip this card and 1 other face-up Spell or Trap Card into a Set Position.[/i]" Those are my fixes. Don't know if it's the official OCg though. Book of Moon is a staple in any deck and it's Limited. This does three times as much and that's just wrong. Konami would ban this almost immediately if it was released. Especially with Exceeds coming. Second card...I'm not quite sure on the effect. Can you re-Set the card that was just activated? I'm not sure. You might want to clear that up. 6/10. Alright, I guess. [/quote] "Can you re-Set the card that was just activated?" If you say you can, you can. Google - [[Scrap Iron Scarecrow]] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathcore Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'm not very familiar with the Scraps. I just wanted to make sure. Also, there are a lot of decks that benefit from flips (Worms?). So, sometimes flipping down your own monsters could be an advantage. Decks like those would easily run that card. EDIT: If you were to add something that makes Beginning less powerful, make it so Flips are negated. Or discard a few cards. That's just me; wait for better cardmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecha Love Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 It's not a quick-play card. I've taken away its best asset. Secondly it says 3 cards. Not up to 3. So what if your opponent only has 1 monster? You'd have to flip 2 of your own monsters. And it needs at least 3 monsters face-up even to be activated. Problem is.... anyone in the right mind WOULDN'T activate the card if your opponent didn't have 3 cards to flip. Anyway, The BoM is limited because it is a quick-play sure. You've taken away the best asset of it. This has also made this card close to useless because it means an oppoentnt can flip the card again. The only reason I would use this card is: 1) destroy a monster that was in ATK mode and has low DEF. 2) activate a spell/ trap/ monster effect when it was being prevented by an opponents spell or trap. I agree that the card is alright but I personally wouldn't use it. Sorry mate! :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:bcoe Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Deathcore' timestamp='1299090250' post='5045988'] I'm not very familiar with the Scraps. I just wanted to make sure. Also, there are a lot of decks that benefit from flips (Worms?). So, sometimes flipping down your own monsters could be an advantage. Decks like those would easily run that card. EDIT: If you were to add something that makes Beginning less powerful, make it so Flips are negated. Or discard a few cards. That's just me; wait for better cardmakers. [/quote] -"Also, there are a lot of decks that benefit from flips (Worms?). So, sometimes flipping down your own monsters could be an advantage. Decks like those would easily run that card." Thats what I meant in the description about being abusable in the right deck build. I think tho the fact its exactly 3 means general decks with say just ryko, won't be able to abuse it. -"If you were to add something that makes Beginning less powerful, make it so Flips are negated. Or discard a few cards. That's just me;." I wrote that in the card description as well. Its specificity I'm looking for. -"wait for better cardmakers" Your opinion is just as valid as everyone else's. Thanks for the comment.[quote name='Elemental Dragon' timestamp='1299090324' post='5045992'] Problem is.... anyone in the right mind WOULDN'T activate the card if your opponent didn't have 3 cards to flip. [/quote] Oh, yes they would. That's what makes this card so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecha Love Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 OK. Let me rehrase that. Anyone in the right mind wouldn't activate the card if their opponent didn't have 3 cards to flip if their deck didn't have any positives of doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Deathcore' timestamp='1299090250' post='5045988'] I'm not very familiar with the Scraps. I just wanted to make sure. [/quote] Scrap Iron Scarecrow is the trap Yusei used. It negates one attack per turn then returns face down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathcore Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1299093911' post='5046119'] Scrap Iron Scarecrow is the trap Yusei used. It negates one attack per turn then returns face down. [/quote] Oh...I'm such an idiot. I knew the name sounded familiar, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Stupid Scraps, Trap or no Trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1299085938' post='5045872'] Book of Moon is now limited. Even though many people don't think BoM should've been limited, they will still agree that it is abusable. This does 3x as much as book of moon. There's a big problem here. As for the other card, Synchro abuse with Call of the Haunted. [/quote] Not a quick play... Beginning is kinda pointless because it's not a quick play. Equidistance is bad. The other one is way too broken. The only reason book was limited was because it was quick play, and none of these are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:bcoe Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='iHop' timestamp='1299094909' post='5046175'] Not a quick play... Beginning is kinda pointless because it's not a quick play. Equidistance is bad. The other one is way too broken. The only reason book was limited was because it was quick play, and none of these are. [/quote] Not pointless, you just need to look at it from a different angle. "Equidistance is bad" - Explain.. Whats Op'd about about Resolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Nobody runs swords/level limit/gravity bind etc. Resolution sets up mass OTKs. The whole point of Books is that they disrupt OTKs etc, these do none of the sorts. From a competitive player's view, this is an OTK format and any spell speed 1 cards that fiddle with a large amount of opponents monsters are pointless. In a slower format I can see beginning run, but not nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:bcoe Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='iHop' timestamp='1299102540' post='5046520'] Nobody runs swords/level limit/gravity bind etc. Resolution sets up mass OTKs. The whole point of Books is that they disrupt OTKs etc, these do none of the sorts. From a competitive player's view, this is an OTK format and any spell speed 1 cards that fiddle with a large amount of opponents monsters are pointless. In a slower format I can see beginning run, but not nowadays. [/quote] Ha, I agree with you there, there almost anti-book cards. Book of Equidistance - What about opponents field spells - Necrovalley Cards with counters on them - Gateway of the Six Re-using cards like call of the haunted, limit reverse and getting by their destruction clause. and possibly the most broken - Royal Decree and Royal Suppression. Book of Resolution It could set up for OTK's, but since its limited to face-up cards, you would have to work for it. I was wary of creating another Cold Wave. So whats the overall opinion with these cards - I'm getting overpowered and useless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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