No. 57 - Roulette Warrior

[wiithepeople]

No. 57 - Roulette Warrior
DARK/Rank 3/Warrior/Exceed/Effect
2 Level 3 monsters
Once per turn, you can send 1 Exceed Material monster to the Graveyard and roll a six-sided die.
1 or 2: Return 1 card on the field to the bottom of its controller's Deck.
3: Select 2 Level 3 monsters in your Graveyard. They now become Exceed Material Monsters and can be used for this monster's effect.
4 or 5: Draw 1 card.
6: This card gains 1000 ATK until the End Phase.
ATK/ 2300 DEF/ 1500

Suggested artwork (if anyone is interest): Dark Purple and Black background. Roulette Warrior has white chest armor. Sword is a rapier which is also white. The shield is large with a roulette in the shield's center.

So it's not OP'd because he's based on chance.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Why does no bugger get it? Cards with dice or coin flip (gamble) effects are suppossed to be... a gamble?

As in get the right result, good stuff happens for you. Get it wrong, and you're further behind.

Not "No matter what the result of this dice roll I'm still going to end up ahead".

None of the effects have anything to do with each other.

[wiithepeople]

[quote name='Bahamut ZERO' timestamp='1299141237' post='5047876']

As in get the right result, good stuff happens for you. Get it wrong, and you're further behind.

Not "No matter what the result of this dice roll I'm still going to end up ahead"
[/quote]

You're using those Exceed Material Monsters for the effect, so unless you roll 3 consistently then it's not an always advantage. Think about cards like Maximum Six!

[Mysty]

[quote name='Bahamut ZERO' timestamp='1299141237' post='5047876']
Why does no bugger get it? Cards with dice or coin flip (gamble) effects are suppossed to be... a gamble?

As in get the right result, good stuff happens for you. [b]Get it wrong, and you're further behind[/b].
[/quote]

Maximum Six, Morphtronic Celfon, Blowback Dragon and Barrel Dragon, Agido, Snipe Hunter, the Arcana Force EX cards, Graceful/Skull Dice, and the Pandemonium archfiends are all Gamble cards that, at least usually, don't hurt the user. The bolded is rather wrong.

[dogfish44]

Gamble decks are normally focussed upon the fact thqat it can go wrong (Arcana Force included).

I beieve Matt to be right - Most gamble cards can be dangerous to yourself.

The difference is that some cards are random effect ones - which might not be a gamble, but just a random guess. For instance, Needle Wall isn't a gamble card. It's just a random result card, IMHO.

[wiithepeople]

[quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1299186925' post='5048710']
Maximum Six, Morphtronic Celfon, Blowback Dragon and Barrel Dragon, Agido, Snipe Hunter, the Arcana Force EX cards, Graceful/Skull Dice, and the Pandemonium archfiends are all Gamble cards that, at least usually, don't hurt the user. The bolded is rather wrong.
[/quote]

This.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='wiithepeople' timestamp='1299156765' post='5048006']
You're using those Exceed Material Monsters for the effect, so unless you roll 3 consistently then it's not an always advantage. Think about cards like Maximum Six!
[/quote]

[quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1299186925' post='5048710']
Maximum Six, Morphtronic Celfon, Blowback Dragon and Barrel Dragon, Agido, Snipe Hunter, the Arcana Force EX cards, Graceful/Skull Dice, and the Pandemonium archfiends are all Gamble cards that, at least usually, don't hurt the user. The bolded is rather wrong.
[/quote]

Yeah ok, there are some gamble cars where is you get it wrong, then nothing happens. Thinks like Graceful Dice and Maximum Sixx don't really count as gambles, really.

But the idea of: " I roll a dice. I got a one, that's a good effect for me... I got a two, that's another good effect for me... I got a three, four, five, six, all good news" is rather point-defying and silly, isn't it?

Also, you still haven't addressed the point that this card is still just a bunch of four random effects thrown together in a fairly unimaginative way.

[wiithepeople]

[quote name='Bahamut ZERO' timestamp='1299267969' post='5050735']
Yeah ok, there are some gamble cars where is you get it wrong, then nothing happens. Thinks like Graceful Dice and Maximum Sixx don't really count as gambles, really.

But the idea of: " I roll a dice. I got a one, that's a good effect for me... I got a two, that's another good effect for me... I got a three, four, five, six, all good news" is rather point-defying and silly, isn't it?

Also, you still haven't addressed the point that this card is still just a bunch of four random effects thrown together in a fairly unimaginative way.
[/quote]

I believe you fangasmed over SSD, but upon closer inspection, you found the exact same thing that this is. What I really don't get is why you totally share no love for the new Exceed mechanic.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='wiithepeople' timestamp='1299273905' post='5050969']
I believe you fangasmed over SSD, but upon closer inspection, you found the exact same thing that this is.
[/quote]

What the...???

I don't understand this bit at all, but as 'gasmed' is there, I think I'll assume its none too flattering about my character.

[quote]What I really don't get is why you totally share no love for the new Exceed mechanic.[/quote]

I'll be honest, I simply haven't bothered looking up Exceeds yet.

Will I do so now?

...............................................................no...

[Mysty]

[quote name='Bahamut ZERO' timestamp='1299275622' post='5051035']
What the...???

I don't understand this bit at all, but as 'gasmed' is there, I think I'll assume its none too flattering about my character.
[/quote]

Shooting Star Dragon is a gamble card when you want it to be, isn't it? You can gamble between zero attacks and five attacks. The big difference is you can slightly tip the odds in your favor by putting more Tuners into your deck while six-sided die always have the same odds.

But yeah, Bahumut, I do agree that multiple different effects being put on one card doesn't really make sense.
• Anime-only Dice Dungeon basically made it so the monster's stats would change.
• Dangerous Machine Type something did effects revolving around card advantage.

Also, personally I think the Exceeds (or at least the "number" archetype - not all of them are part of the number archetype) should have a negative effect should they have no Exceed Material Monsters.