Arms Hole: Discussion

[Jib]

Send the top card of your Deck to the Graveyard. Select 1 Equip Spell Card from your Deck or Graveyard and add it to your hand. You cannot Normal Summon this turn.

 

Now re-read it again, just to be sure.

 

 

Send the top card of your Deck to the Graveyard. Select 1 Equip Spell Card from your Deck or Graveyard and add it to your hand. You cannot Normal Summon this turn.

 

By now you should've noticed the "from your DECK OR GRAVEYARD" part. That means that, unless it was somehow removed from play, you have access to 4 potential (and even more, you'll see later) Premature Burials in a duel. That's still fine with you? Ok let's carry on.

 

"But Jib, yeah 4 Prems is nice and all but you still have to pay 800 LP each time, you have to dump a card and WORST, you can't normal summon."

 

The cost of Premature Burial is not an issue and never was. If you think that 1/10th of your LP is harsh for GY recovery, I can't really help you at this point. Some of you point the "send the top card..." part as a downside, while actually it is an added bonus. The fact that you can't normal summon is actually keeps the card out of the totally broken territory (in a legal Prem environment at least) and is easily offset by the sheer recursion power of the card (again, in a legal Prem environment).

 

But I'm pretty sure that by now, all of this means absolutely nothing.

 

Remember Dark Magician of Chaos? Yeah, that's the kind of card that works pretty well with Premature Burial don't you think? Now if only I could get it in the GY or wait, even better, to the top of my deck, that would be fun.

 

Now it become pretty clear what you could have on the field with a single Arms Hole and Monster Gate in hand, at this point, who the hell needs to normal summon?

 

And that's just the DDT-ish aspect of it... and it's merely the tip of the iceberg.

[uzumakinaruto93]

the costs r not the problem, its the fact that pretty much all equip cards suck..also who would need 4 premature?

[Jib]

Why is Premature Burial limited?

 

That should give you a clue.

[Shaco]

the costs r not the problem' date=' its the fact that pretty much all equip cards suck..also who would need 4 premature?

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A much better question:

Who WOULDN'T want 4 Premature Burials!!!

[Guest PikaPerson01]

the costs r not the problem' date=' its the fact that pretty much all equip cards suck..also who would need 4 premature?

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HAHAHAHAHAHA! Anyone who's good would use 4 Premature Burials.

 

Hikaru, this site is full of lulz. I love it. :)

[RedSceptile]

When you consider the fact that complete access to your graveyard whenever you want is bad, then something must be wrong with you?

 

Arms Hole pushes Premature Burial off the cliff and into the ravine of the ban.

 

Honestly, having access to 4 Premature doesn't sound good to you?

 

You can overextend without so much as a worry.

 

My opponenet uses Mirror Force? Ok I'l just Arms Hole and summon my Raiza AGAIN. My opponent Smashes my Cyber Dragon? Well he's coming back.

 

Having virtually unlimited access to your graveyard does not make the game more skilled. Right now, the metagame loves mil so for the only "drawback" of Arms Hole to be top card mil, that's got to be one of the best things to happen. Hey I can mil my DMoC, and get him back and smash my opponenet.

 

Don't forget Arms Hole speeds up all those OTK decks, I can get my Megamorph whenever I need it for Demise. I can my Phoenix Blade for DDT.

 

Come on to say this card is bad, isn't giving justice to such a skillful wonder.

[megamaster125]

@people saying there's few good equips: All you need is 1 Premature Burial and 3 Arms Hole to make abuse.

 

@people saying no normal summon = no defenses: You would rather waste your normal summon on Kotetsu? Premature Burial get's you the best monster in your graveyard, and you still say you'd have no defenses?

[Shaco]

Wow, there are a lot of people coming out of the woodwork to support this card, eh?

[megamaster125]

We're from another forum. We heard this was a good place so we signed up here.

[Shaco]

Oh, well welcome, enjoy your stay, post often, don't spam, and all that other introduction stuff.

[Lordraviel]

Hello other people from another forum.

 

Anyway Arms hole seems like a good card to me. Lets examine the costs.

 

Send a card from the top of your deck to the graveyard: whats wrong here many decks make good use of sending a card to the grave. Disc commander Treeborn Frog. also you could send a monster that can be revived with Premature Burial.

 

You cannot normal summon this turn: so you cannot normal summon but If you get premature burial you can revive the strongest monster from your grave so who cares.

 

If Premature burial gets forbidden this card will see no play but until then you can expect it to turn up from time to time.

[Just Another Guy]

What's going on in this topic?

[Jib]

Ookazi vs Arms Hole debate

[Just Another Guy]

If they use all their Arms Holes on Premature Burials and they also use Brain Control that's like...4000 LP! That's like half! OOkazi is obviously better for obvious reasons.

[HORUS]

Also' date=' milling is usually good in Zombie Decks.

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not necessarily. i ran 3 Reasoning in my zombie deck, and it always got rid of the cards i needed, not any zombies i could use from the grave.

[FallenLight]

Hi to people from another forum.

 

This topic made me laugh so hard I nearly cried.

 

Moar pl0x.

 

Hikaru FTW. I love you.

[tonisanoob]

ok how can you say this card is bad

there is literally no downside

oh what a shame you cant normal summon then set a morphing jar and get another arms hole

 

AND if your that fecking parranoid about milling a mirror force use convulsion of nature and see what your going to mill then

 

*sigh*

 

i say 9.5/10

 

the point 5 oof is because i will be getting called a n00b because id pwn you with constant sp summons

[Guest PikaPerson01]

i ran 3 Reasoning in my zombie deck' date='

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you're doing it wrong

[CrabHelmet]

Premature Burial is a terrible card. It costs 800 Life Points. 800! That's almost 1000. Even cards that cost 500 Life Points don't cost as much as Premature Burial.

 

And all you get is one monster from the graveyard. Who cares? If it's in the graveyard, that means it was already killed, so your opponent probably controls a stronger monster already, summoning another monster is useless. And even then, all the opponent has to do is play Mystical Space Typhoon, Dust Tornado, or any of countless other destruction cards and you just wasted 800 Life Points FOR NOTHING.

 

Plus, what if you're up against Macro Monarchs, which is the only good decktype in this format? You won't have anything to revive! It will be a dead draw. That's why I never use such a bad card.

 

Even when you use Premature Burial, does it activate the effects of Monarchs you summon? NO! Does it let you summon good cards like Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon? NO! Can you summon Elemental Hero Avian with it? Yes, because Avian is a sucky card and is only used by n00bs that think GX is a good show. See? You can revive terrible cards like that, but nothing good, and it still costs 800 Life Points!

 

Arms Hole is even worse. First, it makes you discard the top card of your deck. Suppose you loose a good card like Mirror Force. Is it really worth it? No! Random milling is only even remotely useful in Zombie decks, which rely on cards in the grave, and Zombies suck anyhow because none of the Monarchs are Zombies. If it let you decide what card to discard from your deck, it might be almost playable, but does it? NO! That's because it is a BAD CARD.

 

Then you lose your Normal Summon. This is just ridiculous! How are you supposed to play if you can't Normal Summon! Instead of fetching some useless spell from your graveyard, you could have summoned someone like Granmarg and obliterated your opponent's field. But can you do that now? NO! Instead, you're stuck with some useless Equip Spell that costs a ton of Life Points and that you can't even use because your opponent is running Macro Monarchs, and if you're a half-decent duelist that doesn't spend all his time on Pojo, so do you.

 

And there aren't even any other good Equip Spells. Sure, Megamorph boosts attack power, but attack power is useless, and even in a Demise deck, it's still not useful because you need your Life Points to be low for it to work, and if your Life Points are too high, it hurts you instead, and Demise sucks anyhow because Macro Monarchs destroys it and it requires too much luck. There are a couple of other Equip Spells that are almost half-decent in their own decks, like Crystal Release, but they're only for bad decktypes like Crystal Beasts and aren't at all useful to Macro Monarchs. So you're stuck with Premature Burial, which eats away at your Life Points for a mediocre effect at a terrible price that isn't even usable in today's meta. Plus, suppose the opponent has Light and Darkness Dragon out, since Twilight Circle is the one other good decktype out there. Can you play Premature Burial? NO! IT WILL JUST GET NEGATED AND YOU WASTED YOUR NORMAL SUMMON AND AN ENTIRE CARD FROM YOUR DECK FOR NOTHING!

 

To the noobs pointing out that Premature Burial is Limited, that was just to prevent bad players from screwing themselves by running it in threes and clogging their hand with dead draws while obliterating their own Life Points. Suppose you could run 10 Premature Burial. Would you? NO! You'd kill yourself in the process, making all your pointless summons useless! See why these cards are worthless? Now come back once you've learned to distinguish between good cards like Mobius and bad cards like Arms Hole.

[Jib]

Hahahahaha Salty you card!

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Hahahahaha Salty you card!

 

Salty? I would have guessed Omega or MetalHyper...

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Premature Burial is a terrible card. It costs 800 Life Points. 800! That's almost 1000. Even cards that cost 500 Life Points don't cost as much as Premature Burial.

 

And all you get is one monster from the graveyard. Who cares? If it's in the graveyard' date=' that means it was already killed, so your opponent probably controls a stronger monster already, summoning another monster is useless. And even then, all the opponent has to do is play Mystical Space Typhoon, Dust Tornado, or any of countless other destruction cards and you just wasted 800 Life Points FOR NOTHING.

 

Plus, what if you're up against Macro Monarchs, which is the only good decktype in this format? You won't have anything to revive! It will be a dead draw. That's why I never use such a bad card.

 

Even when you use Premature Burial, does it activate the effects of Monarchs you summon? NO! Does it let you summon good cards like Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon? NO! Can you summon Elemental Hero Avian with it? Yes, because Avian is a sucky card and is only used by n00bs that think GX is a good show. See? You can revive terrible cards like that, but nothing good, and it still costs 800 Life Points!

 

Arms Hole is even worse. First, it makes you discard the top card of your deck. Suppose you loose a good card like Mirror Force. Is it really worth it? No! Random milling is only even remotely useful in Zombie decks, which rely on cards in the grave, and Zombies suck anyhow because none of the Monarchs are Zombies. If it let you decide what card to discard from your deck, it might be almost playable, but does it? NO! That's because it is a BAD CARD.

 

Then you lose your Normal Summon. This is just ridiculous! How are you supposed to play if you can't Normal Summon! Instead of fetching some useless spell from your graveyard, you could have summoned someone like Granmarg and obliterated your opponent's field. But can you do that now? NO! Instead, you're stuck with some useless Equip Spell that costs a ton of Life Points and that you can't even use because your opponent is running Macro Monarchs, and if you're a half-decent duelist that doesn't spend all his time on Pojo, so do you.

 

And there aren't even any other good Equip Spells. Sure, Megamorph boosts attack power, but attack power is useless, and even in a Demise deck, it's still not useful because you need your Life Points to be low for it to work, and if your Life Points are too high, it hurts you instead, and Demise sucks anyhow because Macro Monarchs destroys it and it requires too much luck. There are a couple of other Equip Spells that are almost half-decent in their own decks, like Crystal Release, but they're only for bad decktypes like Crystal Beasts and aren't at all useful to Macro Monarchs. So you're stuck with Premature Burial, which eats away at your Life Points for a mediocre effect at a terrible price that isn't even usable in today's meta. Plus, suppose the opponent has Light and Darkness Dragon out, since Twilight Circle is the one other good decktype out there. Can you play Premature Burial? NO! IT WILL JUST GET NEGATED AND YOU WASTED YOUR NORMAL SUMMON AND AN ENTIRE CARD FROM YOUR DECK FOR NOTHING!

 

To the noobs pointing out that Premature Burial is Limited, that was just to prevent bad players from screwing themselves by running it in threes and clogging their hand with dead draws while obliterating their own Life Points. Suppose you could run 10 Premature Burial. Would you? NO! You'd kill yourself in the process, making all your pointless summons useless! See why these cards are worthless? Now come back once you've learned to distinguish between good cards like Mobius and bad cards like Arms Hole.

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You win the internet.

[Jib]

bumping this, I want more Horus facts in this place.

 

Because you know, he represents them... as seen on the 1st page and all.

[Static]

Eww. Loss of a summon with no advantage gain. Plus, the only Equip played in high level play is Prem, so I yet again, fail to see your point.

[Jib]

Eww. Loss of a summon with no advantage gain. Plus' date=' the only Equip played in high level play is Prem, so I yet again, fail to see your point.

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Eww. Loss of a summon with no advantage gain. Plus' date=' [b']the only Equip played in high level play is Prem[/b], so I yet again, fail to see your point.

 

Eww. Loss of a summon with no advantage gain. Plus' date=' the only Equip played in high level play is [b']Prem[/b], so I yet again, fail to see your point.

 

Eww. Loss of a summon with no advantage gain. Plus' date=' the only Equip played in high level play is Prem, so I yet again, fail to see your [b']point[/b].

 

Read the topic, I've made my point pretty clear. You didn't.