Saiken007 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Before I begin, I just want to say that I have actually made a lot of this archtype before. However, I never got the actual registration email for the other account and was thus unable to post those cards that I created(and I sent many requests to get said email...). And thus, I have lost the original information of all these cards that I have made...(if anyone would know how to retrieve this information[I have already asked them to resend the password of that first account, but they haven't sent the email...] that would be great!). Now, while looking over these first few cards, keep in mind that these are the most powerful cards of this archtype, and thus would be very rare. So please don't immediately think, "OMGHAX! BANBAN! LOLTROLL!!". Because of the lost information, they aren't exactly what they were, and these are the ones that I can remember the best of how they worked, but that original information would be much better than what I am presenting to you now. I would appreciate constructive criticism where it would be needed, and I will take it to improve upon them. On a side note, I was unsure of whether to make it an archtype, or create a whole new monster Type. Again, comments and critique is welcome so long as it's on a mature level. Hope you like them, and I'll continue to work more on this archtype. [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/2vsrt4w.jpg[/IMG] This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card may be Special Summoned by returning 3 "Phoenix" monsters from your Graveyard to your Deck. Only 1 "Phoenix King - Alistor" may be face-up on the field at a time. If this card was Special Summoned in this way, you may Special Summon monsters from your Hand, Graveyard or that are removed from play to your side of the field whose total level is 10 or less. If this card is removed from the field by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard or removed from play, you may Special Summon this card to your side of the field during your next Standby Phase by sending 2 cards you control to the Graveyard. [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/317jvv4.jpg[/IMG] This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card may be Special Summoned by returning 2 monsters from your Graveyard or are removed from play to your Deck. Only 1 face-up "Phoenix Queen - Tu'Lia" may be on the field at a time. When this card is Summoned it is immediately changed to Defense Position. This card may Attack while in Defense Position. Once per turn, this card may Special Summon 1 monster from your Hand, Graveyard or that is removed from play to your side of the Field. If this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard or is removed from play, Special Summon 1 monster from your Graveyard or that is removed from play to your side of the field except "Phoenix Queen - Tu'Lia". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8thegr8 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 They seem okay but a little OPed but pretty good. The only problem I have is their summoning conditions. It's a good thing to return monsters from your graveyard to your deck so I would definitely change the summoning conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiken007 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 I thought about that, but then you could abuse their other effects after their summoned to get the monsters you just sacrificed. I suppose I could say remove from play to summon them, and then leave out the remove from play recovery, but the idea of this archtype is for recovery and revival, hence phoenixes. but you are right, sending cards back to the deck is a beneficial factor, but with how this archtype plays(or how I'm designing it) it somewhat hurts them in actuality. I will give this some thought, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8thegr8 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Well if you really want to keep that summoning condition maybe make their ATK rely on how many monsters there are in the graveyard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiken007 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 hmmm I could... what values would you use for them? x500-x700 each for alistor and x300-500 for tu'lia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrödinger Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Rough OCG fixes This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card may be Special Summoned by returning 3 "Phoenix" monsters from your Graveyard to your Deck. Only 1 "Phoenix King - Alistor" [b]can[/b] be on the field at a time. [b]When this card Summoned[/b], you [b]can[/b] Special Summon monsters from your Hand, Graveyard or that are removed from play to your side of the field whose total level is [i][equals?][/i] 10 or less. If this card is removed from the field by a card effect, you [b]can[/b] Special Summon this card to your side of the field during your next Standby Phase by sending 2 cards you control to the Graveyard. Revival effect contradicts first sentence in the effect. Maybe make it revive another "Phoenix" instead? This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card [b]can[/b] be Special Summoned by returning 2 monsters from your Graveyard or are removed from play to your Deck. Only 1 "Phoenix Queen - Tu'Lia" [b]can[/b] be on the field at a time. When this card is Summoned it is changed to Defense Position. This card [b]can[/b] Attack while in Defense Position. Once per turn, [b]you[/b] [b]can[/b] Special Summon 1 monster from your Hand, Graveyard or that is removed from play to your side of the Field. If this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard or removed from play, Special Summon 1 monster from your Graveyard or that is removed from play to your side of the field except "Phoenix Queen - Tu'Lia". WAY overpowered, defense mode attacking and auto-summon once per turn? Forget the banlist, kill it with fire! (See what I did there? xD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8thegr8 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Sounds good. Maybe 700 and 400? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiken007 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 sounds good to me. but now i'll have to rethink a different one haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 it's Winged Beast, not Winged-Beast for the type "Once per turn, this card may Special Summon 1 monster from your Hand, Graveyard or that is removed from play to your side of the Field." <----this effect is OPed as hell where is the cost/drawback for that? 7/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiken007 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1302668501' post='5134765'] it's Winged Beast, not Winged-Beast for the type "Once per turn, this card may Special Summon 1 monster from your Hand, Graveyard or that is removed from play to your side of the Field." <----this effect is OPed as hell where is the cost/drawback for that? 7/10 [/quote] Would removing the hand part help? I could also make it so that you would have to pay between 500-1000LP each time you used the effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrödinger Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Just remove the whole part, revival from anywhere can't be justified by a few hundred LP payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiken007 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 if it were 1000 it might be though, and to even get her out you'd have to first slim down your options of revival. I would be skeptical to use that effect if it were 1000, I typically hate losing LP for any benefit because I've won a few duels with just a few hundred LP left that if i had used a card that reduced my LP I would have instead lost(such as when premature burial was still legal heh...). I do understand where you're coming from though, but with how this archtype will work, you won't be seeing that revival effect that much in actuality(especially if the hand summoning was removed). But I do thank you for the input and will think on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrödinger Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Think about what it can do though. Paying 1000 LP to search AND summon ANY card you own will change the game. Gladiator Beasts: Bestiari Lightsworn: Lumina, Honest (bounce back) Blackwings: Gale Zombies: Mezuki, Plaguespreader Six Sams: I don't even need to say anything here. Premature was banned because it was too easy to reuse, and this makes the idea even easier. Players pay [b]2000[/b] LP to negate a key summon with Solemn Warning (One of today's main staples), and this card would splash out monsters for half of that cost. Maybe if you made the cost discard 2 cards to summon a "Phoenix" monster instead of ANY, the card would be more balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiken007 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 hmm yes, I did think about making it restricted to only phoenix monsters as well. Also it's not searching anything, just recovery(once i get rid of that hand summoning...). but it'd be almost near impossible to effectively have it in another archtype deck, for it requires phoenixes for it's primary summoning. now some of those cards would easily be added into this archtype deck though(honest, plaguspreader, maybe gale) so making it only phoenix monsters might be the best way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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