King of Nothing Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I honestly don't think it matters. At all. People aren't required to say the pledge. This is one of those things that Americans are complaining about because we like complaining. EDIT: In God we Trust isn't patriotic, it exists because the gold standard was removed. Now we have nothing to back our money up on, so we can't trust in gold or in the money itself. That's why it's "In God we Trust" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308696776' post='5301248'] EDIT: In God we Trust isn't patriotic, it exists because the gold standard was removed. Now we have nothing to back our money up on, so we can't trust in gold or in the money itself. That's why it's "In God we Trust" [/quote] That's an interesting claim considering the very first time it was questioned (since it's latest adoption) congress insisted that it was a symbol of patriotism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='Whirr' timestamp='1308701933' post='5301413'] That's an interesting claim considering the very first time it was questioned (since it's latest adoption) congress insisted that it was a symbol of patriotism. [/quote] You're right. I'm wrong. Congress can never make a mistake... It's not just a claim, it's fact =P It being patriotic is more of an opinion than anything else. I'm saying I don't think it's patriotic, because I find the removal of the Gold standard unpatriotic. The Congress probably brought it up so the mint didn't have to spend money finding a new design for the coin (and then changing the machines to fit set design) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308703571' post='5301475'] You're right. I'm wrong. Congress can never make a mistake... It's not just a claim, it's fact =P It being patriotic is more of an opinion than anything else. I'm saying I don't think it's patriotic, because I find the removal of the Gold standard unpatriotic. The Congress probably brought it up so the mint didn't have to spend money finding a new design for the coin (and then changing the machines to fit set design) [/quote] It was most likely because of the red scare. It's not a coincidence that "under God" was added to the pledge only 2 years earlier in 1954. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='Whirr' timestamp='1308704051' post='5301501'] It was most likely because of the red scare. It's not a coincidence that "under God" was added to the pledge only 2 years earlier in 1954. [/quote] That's most likely the case, which means that it's really a matter of opinion. I'm just going with what my AP History and AP Gov teacher told me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308704452' post='5301517'] That's most likely the case, which means that it's really a matter of opinion. I'm just going with what my AP History and AP Gov teacher told me [/quote] Because teachers can never be wrong. Sorry, I just had to do what you did, I don't really think you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerlinX Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 The reason the world is in the shape it's in: we no longer believe in God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='PowerlinX' timestamp='1308731213' post='5302349'] The reason the world is in the shape it's in: we no longer believe in God. [/quote] Because atheism is obviously the reason why religion is a main factor in almost every war, and why people use religion to justify their violence, and why a large portion of the Western world discriminates against Muslims, and why abortion doctors have gotten stoned for their practices, and why religious leaders institute corrupt practices to gain followers, and why... do you need me to go on? The fact that a large([b][/b]r) portion of the new generation is shunning religion is a [b]good[/b] thing and bodes well for future society. I honestly can't tell if your comment was serious or if you were just trolling (and no, I wasn't trying to cite a meme), and I really hope it's the latter, because if it wasn't, you hold some ignorant and shitty beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1308744648' post='5302532'] Because atheism is obviously the reason why religion is a main factor in almost every war, and why people use religion to justify their violence, and why a large portion of the Western world discriminates against Muslims, and why abortion doctors have gotten stoned for their practices, and why religious leaders institute corrupt practices to gain followers, and why... do you need me to go on? The fact that a large([b][/b]r) portion of the new generation is shunning religion is a [b]good[/b] thing and bodes well for future society. I honestly can't tell if your comment was serious or if you were just trolling (and no, I wasn't trying to cite a meme), and I really hope it's the latter, because if it wasn't, you hold some ignorant and shitty beliefs. [/quote] Well, we're not supposed to go off on religion, so all I'll say is that you're definately proving the atheist stereotype to the extreme. Not that it's any of my business, but America was founded with laws closely linked to religion, and without religious people we wouldn't have a bill of rights (antifeds = religious). Also, stop trolling religion. It's no longer cool to be an atheist, it's just 'Oh whatever'. I guess I just don't see the reason in it. Religion didn't start wars, btw. Atheism ties down to a lot of it, but if you want to debate about it all I suggest making another topic since, like I said, we're not supposed to go off on religion. Anyways, my view still stands strongly. It doesn't matter whether or not you say under God in the pledge, so it should be neither enforced or restricted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308769303' post='5303275'] Well, we're not supposed to go off on religion, so all I'll say is that you're definately proving the atheist stereotype to the extreme. Not that it's any of my business, but America was founded with laws closely linked to religion, and without religious people we wouldn't have a bill of rights (antifeds = religious). Also, stop trolling religion. It's no longer cool to be an atheist, it's just 'Oh whatever'. I guess I just don't see the reason in it. Religion didn't start wars, btw. Atheism ties down to a lot of it, but if you want to debate about it all I suggest making another topic since, like I said, we're not supposed to go off on religion. Anyways, my view still stands strongly. It doesn't matter whether or not you say under God in the pledge, so it should be neither enforced or restricted. [/quote] America was founded by deists. Religion does and has started wars. And it should be removed from the pledge because it's hypocritical. ZWA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308769303' post='5303275'] Well, we're not supposed to go off on religion, so all I'll say is that you're definately proving the atheist stereotype to the extreme. Not that it's any of my business, but America was founded with laws closely linked to religion, and without religious people we wouldn't have a bill of rights (antifeds = religious). Also, stop trolling religion. It's no longer cool to be an atheist, it's just 'Oh whatever'. I guess I just don't see the reason in it. Religion didn't start wars, btw. Atheism ties down to a lot of it, but if you want to debate about it all I suggest making another topic since, like I said, we're not supposed to go off on religion. Anyways, my view still stands strongly. It doesn't matter whether or not you say under God in the pledge, so it should be neither enforced or restricted. [/quote][b]North Korea[/b][u][/u] [center][b]Cons [/b]No religion[/center] [left] [b]Pros [/b] No crime No poverty No war Everyone gets fed to fill Everyone has a job[/left] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308774403' post='5303497'] [b]North Korea[/b][u][/u] [center][b]Cons [/b]No religion[/center] [left] [b]Pros [/b] No crime No poverty No war Everyone gets fed to fill Everyone has a job[/left] [/quote] Lolwat No War? What about the Korean War? That only happened about 50-60 years ago. And not everybody is fed to fill, either. Also, religion doesn't start wars at all. Atheists who become the head of religions do. Priests and Popes actions aren't the actions of religion itself, just of priests and popes. Also, hate to break it to you, but atheists have had a hand at a few wars themselves. Religion isn't the ultimate deciding factor of all war. It's money. People use religion as a scapegoat so that their cause seems "justified' in the eyes of the soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308798516' post='5304386'] Lolwat No War? What about the Korean War? That only happened about 50-60 years ago. And not everybody is fed to fill, either. Also, religion doesn't start wars at all. Atheists who become the head of religions do. Priests and Popes actions aren't the actions of religion itself, just of priests and popes. Also, hate to break it to you, but atheists have had a hand at a few wars themselves. Religion isn't the ultimate deciding factor of all war. It's money. People use religion as a scapegoat so that their cause seems "justified' in the eyes of the soldiers. [/quote] Kind of like how Al Qaeda is a rogue Atheist organization, terrorizing the world with demands of money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='Whirr' timestamp='1308799106' post='5304405'] Kind of like how Al Qaeda is a rogue Atheist organization, terrorizing the world with demands of money? [/quote] Because I'm sure that organization has no interest in money or land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308799364' post='5304415'] Because I'm sure that organization has no interest in money or land [/quote] Yeah, it's definitely not something stupid like forcing the world into believing their radical viewpoints that they're interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 They'd need money for that too happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308803624' post='5304547'] They'd need money for that too happen [/quote] They [i]need[/i] money to accomplish their [i]goal[/i]. The war isn't sparked over money, money is just the means to enact it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308798516' post='5304386'] [b]Lolwat No War? What about the Korean War? That only happened about 50-60 years ago. And not everybody is fed to fill, either.[/b] Also, religion doesn't start wars at all. Atheists who become the head of religions do. Priests and Popes actions aren't the actions of religion itself, just of priests and popes. Also, hate to break it to you, but atheists have had a hand at a few wars themselves. Religion isn't the ultimate deciding factor of all war. It's money. People use religion as a scapegoat so that their cause seems "justified' in the eyes of the soldiers. [/quote] Different leader, different economy, different reason. You are wrong. Athiest /=/ Heads of religion. That statement is pure stupidity. Name a war by an atheist. You can't and you're wrong:) Anyone else here believe that King of Nothing's name has significance? The meaning behind the name means no intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308805007' post='5304582'] Different leader, different economy, different reason. You are wrong. Athiest /=/ Heads of religion. That statement is pure stupidity. Name a war by an atheist. You can't and you're wrong:) Anyone else here believe that King of Nothing's name has significance? The meaning behind the name means no intelligence. [/quote] Hah, trolls =P The crusades were started by atheists and used religion as a scratchboard. My name really doesn't have anything to do with...anything involving religion or the pledge of allegiance, and by bringing it up you've essentially forfeited the argument. And I am starting to get a bit tired of that 'All wars are based on religion' stuff. Oh, and the North Koreans do have a religion btw, they see their leader as a god. God = Religion. If you really want to know where the name comes from, it comes from a story I wrote. As a man was shot by a rebel force he yelled "Long live the king", but directed it towards the ruler of that rebel force. Towards the end of the story the man questions what he was the king of, and states that "He's the king of nothing". I just took the last little bit of that for my username ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308811365' post='5304703'] Hah, trolls =P The crusades were started by atheists and used religion as a scratchboard. My name really doesn't have anything to do with...anything involving religion or the pledge of allegiance, and by bringing it up you've essentially forfeited the argument. And I am starting to get a bit tired of that 'All wars are based on religion' stuff. Oh, and the North Koreans do have a religion btw, they see their leader as a god. God = Religion. If you really want to know where the name comes from, it comes from a story I wrote. As a man was shot by a rebel force he yelled "Long live the king", but directed it towards the ruler of that rebel force. Towards the end of the story the man questions what he was the king of, and states that "He's the king of nothing". I just took the last little bit of that for my username ^^ [/quote] [img]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png[/img] I don't have a strong background in anything related to history, and I understand that Wikipedia may not be accurate 100% of the time, but 99.99% is more than enough for me. So let me make a point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades Ctrl + F "atheism" No matches found. "atheist" No matches found. Good game. [i]God = Religion[/i] Many sects of Buddhism don't believe in a divine being and yet those off-shoots are still considered religions. I'm not even going to reply to you anymore since you are clearly showing your ignorance and lack of intelligence at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308811365' post='5304703'] Hah, trolls =P [b]The crusades were started by atheists and used religion as a scratchboard.[/b] My name really doesn't have anything to do with...anything involving religion or the pledge of allegiance, and by[i] bringing it up you've essentially forfeited the argument.[/i] And I am starting to get a bit tired of that 'All wars are based on religion' stuff. [u]Oh, and the North Koreans do have a religion btw, they see their leader as a god. God = Religion.[/u] If you really want to know where the name comes from, it comes from a story I wrote. As a man was shot by a rebel force he yelled "Long live the king", but directed it towards the ruler of that rebel force. Towards the end of the story the man questions what he was the king of, and states that "He's the king of nothing". I just took the last little bit of that for my username ^^ [/quote] Rationalized by Pope. Stupid response of yours #1 in your reply. Because you're being a dumbass by making up crap to sound correct. A god is all powerful and immortal. You're wrong again and indeed an idiot. Further responses without proof will be reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308862347' post='5305783'] Rationalized by Pope. Stupid response of yours #1 in your reply. Because you're being a dumbass by making up crap to sound correct. A god is all powerful and immortal. You're wrong again and indeed an idiot. Further responses without proof will be reported. [/quote] Technically I could report this entire thing for flame. Why? Because it's flame. You haven't really brought anything into this conversation. And the pope is a catholic figurehead, he's not the representative of all religion. I know I, and quite a few other Christians, don't see the Pope as powerful as catholics do. EDIT: Also forgot to put that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed if you think that religion is the route of war and that without religion there would be no war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [i]Also forgot to put that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed if you think that religion is the route of war and that without religion there would be no war. [/i] I don't think anybody ever said that, and we'd all be retarded to think that. However, considering that religion is a main cause of most wars in recorded history, it seems safe to say that if religion never had existed, at least five or six wars would have been stopped, saving countless lifes. Some wars had other intentions (oil, money, land) in mind, but I'm sure if you search through history, at least five or six wars were solely based on religious influence in a region or religious supremity. Not to mention that without religion, people wouldn't have an illogical, retarded medium to discriminate against people based on: a.) religion b.) sexual orientation c.) profession d.) beliefs (abortion and the likes) And a bunch of others I cba to list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 I'm pretty sure people would still discriminate on sexual orientation without religion, as with everything else. For a time, religion was what was stopping slavery. People had to "bend" what religion stated in order for people to accept the slave trade, in which they used the Story of Ham. And I'm still holding to my point that most people just use religion as a scapegoat in order to get land or money. I'm not saying that there has never been a war based on or using religion ever, I'm simply saying that without religion humans would still find ways to fight. It's instinct. Animals don't have religion and they fight. And, if it's optional, and nobody is forced to say it, why is it so bad to let people who want to say the pledge of allegience with "under God"? I can't possibly see how it's hurting anyone, or offending anyone, since it doesn't say "Under the Christian/Catholic God", just "under God". I'm not an Atheist, so I don't understand what does and doesn't offend atheists, but I'm pretty sure that if Atheists and atheist sayings don't offend me, mentionings of a higher being shouldn't offend them. Also...don't we pretty much just use the pledge at military events now? It's not used at school anymore (at least where I am) and it's not mandatory anywhere... Why can't you just let religion have this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308896849' post='5306998'] [b]I'm pretty sure people would still discriminate on sexual orientation without religion, as with everything else. For a time, religion was what was stopping slavery. People had to "bend" what religion stated in order for people to accept the slave trade, in which they used the Story of Ham. [/b] And I'm still holding to my point that most people just use religion as a scapegoat in order to get land or money. I'm not saying that there has never been a war based on or using religion ever, I'm simply saying that without religion humans would still find ways to fight. It's instinct. [b]Animals don't have religion and they fight.[/b] And, if it's optional, and nobody is forced to say it, why is it so bad to let people who want to say the pledge of allegience with "under God"? I can't possibly see how it's hurting anyone, or offending anyone, since it doesn't say "Under the Christian/Catholic God", just "under God". I'm not an Atheist, so I don't understand what does and doesn't offend atheists, but I'm pretty sure that if Atheists and atheist sayings don't offend me, mentionings of a higher being shouldn't offend them. Also...don't we pretty much just use the pledge at military events now? It's not used at school anymore (at least where I am) and it's not mandatory anywhere... Why can't you just let religion have this one? [/quote] There is more slavery in the bible than there was in the Confederate States. Animals don't cause genocide like what happened to the Armenians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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