Vough Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name=''raiN' timestamp='1310084326' post='5336726'] Well, just because the relationship is over the internet doesn't mean that they can't trust each other 100%. There are plenty of IRL couples who don't trust each other fully. It's uncommon, but not rare. [/quote] Actually, a degree of trust is bent on real life experiences. If I don't know whether or not you're going to show up to my party early or late, then my trust is affected. If you show up late, I trust you less. You show up early, I trust you more. You can not have these real live experiences and cannot gain full trust unless you've experience with someone. And if you're trusting someone you don't "know" 100%, that is very dangerous (internet-predator wise) and is literally stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'tyleR Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1310097881' post='5337184'] Actually, a degree of trust is bent on real life experiences. If I don't know whether or not you're going to show up to my party early or late, then my trust is affected. If you show up late, I trust you less. You show up early, I trust you more. You can not have these real live experiences and cannot gain full trust unless you've experience with someone. And if you're trusting someone you don't "know" 100%, that is very dangerous (internet-predator wise) and is literally stupid. [/quote] I guess I can sort of see the logic there, I don't necessarily think that applies to all people, though. Still, you have a point. Although, the second part I can say I'm coming at this from an actual internet relationship stand point, one that is more defined as long distance than internet. Constant Skype/Phone conversations, letters to each, pictures, voice interaction, etc. Not like it's on just through text. I don't count that, solely because of the fact of online predator possibility. On the topic of trust, though, you can still gain that same level, in a sense. You used the example of parties, well, what about Skype meetings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasu Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Not exactly my cup of tea, but hey, I don't like relationships at all. But it wouldn't be a problem at all, as I always research people I associate with. (IT'S NOT PATHOLOGICAL, I SWEAR) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='Yasu' timestamp='1310100795' post='5337258'] Not exactly my cup of tea, but hey, I don't like relationships at all. [/quote] Asexuality for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name=''raiN' timestamp='1310098540' post='5337217'] I guess I can sort of see the logic there, I don't necessarily think that applies to all people, though. Still, you have a point. Although, the second part I can say I'm coming at this from an actual internet relationship stand point, one that is more defined as long distance than internet. Constant Skype/Phone conversations, letters to each, pictures, voice interaction, etc. Not like it's on just through text. I don't count that, solely because of the fact of online predator possibility. On the topic of trust, though, you can still gain that same level, in a sense. You used the example of parties, well, what about Skype meetings? [/quote] Again, Skyping or video chatting is a step forward, but it still lacks the real life experiences. What can you do on the internet? Talk, maybe show some of your toys or whatever on video chat. What can you do in real life? Go on dates, read full body language, etc. It's just so much more benefitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cаptain America Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1309015328' post='5309677'] After taking courses in basic psychology and sociology, I just cannot wrap my head around relationships that lack some sort of in-person communication. It seems unnatural, to be completely honest. I can understand Skyping with someone for three or four months and then maybe taking a vacation down to whatever state they live in to have a formal meeting, but it just shocks me that people plan to get engaged and subsequently married when all they have is a picture and a voice. I Skype with a ton of people, and it really does help me to get to know them better, but I would never base an entire relationship off of a few Skype calls or video chats or pictures. I can also be fairly sure that the large percentage of people who "internet date" are either in high school or have already graduated college, because the majority of couples that eventually get married meet in college, where there are "plenty of fish" and you have interactions weekly or even daily. And I doubt many people here have graduated college, so if you are in an internet relationship and not in college, chances are you just want to rush a relationship to "act cool" and claim that you have a girlfriend even though I'd much rather be single than love someone that I barely know. On that note, idgaf if other people decide to internet date, but that notion will never click as normal in my head. It's not like I discriminate against couples who meet online, so whatthefuckever. [/quote] Lol, are you serious bro? You have taken basic psychology and sociology and you still can't get your head around why people go out over the internet. It's because they're f***ing lonely. On that note; my best friend claims she is going to get married to her internet boyfriend 'Gabriel' who she Skypes with everyday. She is schizophrenic and he is 24 so it sort of says something about them both. Paedophilia / paranoia is the way to go. ¬.¬ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 cybersex on omegle type COCKBLOCK midway through ???? PROFIT?! To be honest, I'm not very good socially. Relationships and loving bonds are just evolutionary mechanisms for encouraging a couple that is mating for life to make moar children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 *sigh* Looks like I'm giving my two cents. Some people find it very hard to talk to others of the opposite sex (point in case, myself, haha). However, it's much easier for them to be more open over the internet (point in case, NOT me. I'm pretty open in real life when I get to know you). So people turn to the internet to find someone of the opposite sex to speak to and to get to know. Sometimes it leads to a relationship, sometimes it doesn't. Who cares. Leave them be. And yes, we have to worry about pedos, people lying about themselves, guys posing as girls, etc. But are you really worried about that, or are you just finding a reason to complain? I mean, before the internet, we had guys driving around in vans luring kids inside with promises of candy. Yet we still have creepy guys driving around in vans. Before vans we had old ladies who lived in the woods who lured kids in with promises of sweets. Yet we still have old ladies with sweets. My point is, there will always be something that the general public will gripe about. For instance, people here in my country (America) are complaining about games and TV violence. Something about it's corrupting our kids and making them more violent. Yet they fail to realize that there were violent crimes before TVs and games were invented. Hell! America was created BECAUSE we resorted to violence and kicked Britain's ass! Ok, I'm getting off topic here. My point is, everyone is going to find something new to complain about, no matter what. So I try to stay out of conversations that are pointless and simple say, "If it works for them, let them do it. If you don't like it, then don't do it. It's as simple as that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mors Secundis Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 I Feel Sorry for people who do this. Too scared to go out and just ask someone you know/Like, 'Hey Wanna go out sometime?' And see what happens. If it goes good 'Hey wanna Go out with me?' If it goes bad 'I'm Sorry about that, I took it the wrong way when you said that thing about sex I though yo- Nevermind see yah...' It's Simple I asked my girl out in front of at least 50 people, coz I'm not a pussy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 ^ Chances are, if you ask someone out in public, they're more likley to say yes to not look bad.... at the same time you then know they only said yes to not look bad... so its a double edged sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Precisely what ~N~ said. Also, there may not be anybody of your type in your town. My town is full of alcoholics, druggies, whores, and teen moms. No thanks, I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 As an extention to what DK is saying, I'd like to also add whats sometimes a situation Basiclly, the only person thats your type... like, at all in your town, is your best friend... really sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='.:Åπimα FΩrmµlα:.' timestamp='1310220980' post='5340311'] I Feel Sorry for people who do this. Too scared to go out and just ask someone you know/Like, 'Hey Wanna go out sometime?' And see what happens. If it goes good 'Hey wanna Go out with me?' If it goes bad 'I'm Sorry about that, I took it the wrong way when you said that thing about sex I though yo- Nevermind see yah...' It's Simple I asked my girl out in front of at least 50 people, coz I'm not a pussy. [/quote] Some of us aren't interested in any of the girls around us. Point and case, me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Precisely ~N~/Miror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 [quote]Some of us aren't interested in any of the girls around us. Point and case, me. [/quote] THIIIIIIS I'm glad I graduated Middle/Elementary school (I live in Canada) All the girls I know in my area are either tramps or Gross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 [i]you still can't get your head around why people go out over the internet. It's because they're f***ing lonely. [/i] I think I know that. But everyone is so trapped in the mindset that internet relationships are easier to attain, and maybe they are right about that. Maybe some fifteen-year-old social outcast with no friends and no chance at getting a girlfriend has a better chance at finding someone to bond with over the internet. That doesn't justify why they would even consider progressing an internet relationship to an extent of marriage when they haven't even met the person in real life. A lot of people are lonely, but I refuse to believe that people have to stoop so low as to get an internet girlfriend (for males, of course) to relieve that loneliness. Refer back to my college argument. [i]My town is full of alcoholics, druggies, whores, and teen moms. No thanks, I'll pass. [/i] One, doubt it. Two, are you the one golden exception to your town? Are you not an alcoholic or druggie or whore or teen mom, and thus are better than everyone else in your town? Give me a break. I'm sure in your entire town (hell, in your school, even) there is at least one person of the opposite gender you would be willing to go out with. And considering the rest of your school is filled with the aforementioned alcoholics and whatnot, she'll probably say yes. You are exaggerating your situation beyond anything rational. Also, [b]refer to my college argument[/b]. If you are in middle school or high school, either find a girlfriend from the girls in your school, or wait until college where there are thousands of potential mates that you see on a daily or weekly basis. You rushing things is exactly why so many internet relationships turn out poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1310243929' post='5341042'] [i]My town is full of alcoholics, druggies, whores, and teen moms. No thanks, I'll pass. [/i] One, doubt it. Two, are you the one golden exception to your town? Are you not an alcoholic or druggie or whore or teen mom, and thus are better than everyone else in your town? Give me a break. I'm sure in your entire town (hell, in your school, even) there is at least one person of the opposite gender you would be willing to go out with. And considering the rest of your school is filled with the aforementioned alcoholics and whatnot, she'll probably say yes. You are exaggerating your situation beyond anything rational. Also, [b]refer to my college argument[/b]. If you are in middle school or high school, either find a girlfriend from the girls in your school, or wait until college where there are thousands of potential mates that you see on a daily or weekly basis. You rushing things is exactly why so many internet relationships turn out poorly. [/quote] I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, a father, anything. And yes, you're right. There are girls in my town around my age that don't drink, smoke, do drugs, or anything like that. But I can't date them either. Why? They interested in jerks that were on the football team and the country guys who's past time is to floor their trucks through mud. Since that's not me, they say pass. As for your college argument, I'm out of school, and still can't find anyone decent. I can't believe I'm actually doing this, but I'm searching through my job. :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElÆ’ie Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 I'm currently in an internet relationship and I couldn't be happier, that is, until we meet in person. We skype when we can and text ALL the time. And at times, the internet is the best source to look. That Harmony commercial says what? 1 in 5 are started over the internet? It just shows the times. Technology is become a big part of our lives, so relationships that involve using it is only a natural route that things are going to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 [i]That Harmony commercial says what? 1 in 5 are started over the internet[/i] And yet the divorce rate has been exponentially increasing for the past decade and a half. I'm not saying the two are completely tied to each other, but there's no doubt that they are related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1310339092' post='5343918'] [i]That Harmony commercial says what? 1 in 5 are started over the internet[/i] And yet the divorce rate has been exponentially increasing for the past decade and a half. I'm not saying the two are completely tied to each other, but there's no doubt that they are related. [/quote] This. And Happiness is a subjective term. If doing rock and driving drunk bring me happiness, then does that mean I should do it because it makes me happy? I can guarantee you'd be equally as happy if have a real life relationship too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1310339092' post='5343918'] [i]That Harmony commercial says what? 1 in 5 are started over the internet[/i] And yet the divorce rate has been exponentially increasing for the past decade and a half. I'm not saying the two are completely tied to each other, but there's no doubt that they are related. [/quote] Actually, divorce rate is up for two different reasons. 1: This isn't the old days where there is no such thing as divorce. Divorce is easier to do then it was back in the day, and people view it more as a "reset button". 2: People are starting to "fall in love" a lot quicker AND get pregnant younger...which generally leads to marriage...that lasts about two years...then a divorce. And all of this is from relationships that did NOT have anything to do with online. Again, you are merely doing what the general masses do. Something starts to take off and you immediately shoot it down by only pointing out the negatives. To simply put it, you're claiming apples are bad because you bit into a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 [i]Actually, divorce rate is up for two different reasons.[/i] Are you trying to imply that the recent spike in internet relationships has nothing to do with the increased divorce rate? Are you really that ignorant? [i]Again, you are merely doing what the general masses do. Something starts to take off and you immediately shoot it down by only pointing out the negatives. To simply put it, you're claiming apples are bad because you bit into a bad one.[/i] I'm not claiming [i]all[/i] apples are bad; you are misunderstanding my arguments. To reiterate for the sixth or seventh time, I am fine with internet relationships that start on the internet, progress on the internet for two or three months, and have immediate irl contact afterwards. I'm not fine with internet relationships that consist solely of Skype calls and video chatting and end up in engagement or marriage. The latter is absolutely stupid and moronic, the former is fine and just shows societal "dependence" on technology, which I am okay with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElÆ’ie Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Now-a-days, I'm not saying this is [i]the[/i] reason for an increase in divorces, but now-a-days... When a younger, married couple hit a snag, a lot of them don't want to deal with it and just divorce. Wtf? In the vows, it says that you'll be there for better and for worse. Sure, the vows are ancient old, but they work. People just have to put effort into marriage. Also, people are getting married too young. They say the first 2-3 years of a relationship is lust. If ya hit the 5 year mark, I'd say your golden. Now-a-days, most people get married within a year or so. A year isn't long enough to know the person you love. Neither is 5 years, nor a life time for that fact. But marriage requires effort and the younger people now-a-days are just used to things being handed to them and it being all hunkidory! That's my small take on the divorce aspect. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1310348862' post='5344329'] [i]Actually, divorce rate is up for two different reasons.[/i] Are you trying to imply that the recent spike in internet relationships has nothing to do with the increased divorce rate? Are you really that ignorant? [i]Again, you are merely doing what the general masses do. Something starts to take off and you immediately shoot it down by only pointing out the negatives. To simply put it, you're claiming apples are bad because you bit into a bad one.[/i] I'm not claiming [i]all[/i] apples are bad; you are misunderstanding my arguments. To reiterate for the sixth or seventh time, I am fine with internet relationships that start on the internet, progress on the internet for two or three months, and have immediate irl contact afterwards. I'm not fine with internet relationships that consist solely of Skype calls and video chatting and end up in engagement or marriage. The latter is absolutely stupid and moronic, the former is fine and just shows societal "dependence" on technology, which I am okay with. [/quote] My apologies. I misunderstood your standpoint. [quote name='Aisu Valkov' timestamp='1310353785' post='5344564'] Now-a-days, I'm not saying this is [i]the[/i] reason for an increase in divorces, but now-a-days... When a younger, married couple hit a snag, a lot of them don't want to deal with it and just divorce. Wtf? In the vows, it says that you'll be there for better and for worse. Sure, the vows are ancient old, but they work. People just have to put effort into marriage. Also, people are getting married too young. They say the first 2-3 years of a relationship is lust. If ya hit the 5 year mark, I'd say your golden. Now-a-days, most people get married within a year or so. A year isn't long enough to know the person you love. Neither is 5 years, nor a life time for that fact. But marriage requires effort and the younger people now-a-days are just used to things being handed to them and it being all hunkidory! That's my small take on the divorce aspect. Lol. [/quote] This, this, and more of this. That's what I was trying to point out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Basically, while Internet relations may be a cause of increased divorce rates, but it isn't the only reason. It's like how people say that violent video games cause violence, but say nothing about movies, parents, drugs or anything else that's related to the case they're looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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