New xyz

[omnia95]

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please just comment i hope its not hard to understand I'm still trying to make its meaning as clear as possible and if you think about it its not to strong because all u have to do is attack it with a stronger monster and it takes one turn for its second effect to take place so itll be down on overlay units and u can attack it and instead of gaining attack it goes nowhere one big downfall i saw.

[Agro]

Once per turn you get 1000 more ATK and a way to stop its destruction? BTW, you don't just need a stronger monster, you need several stronger monsters. Else it'll just become a Spirit Reaper that can't be destroyed by card effects and who'll bite your head off if you don't kill it fast enough.

By your wording, it can activate its secondary effect right off the bat, so idk what you meant about it needing a turn.

I feel like that's too much, even if its Rank 6. Personally I'd kick it up to 7 or 8.

I feel like it'd be a balanced card if this were two separate cards, but together it seems just a bit too good.

[omnia95]

i meant im still making it clearer its suppose to have to wait one turn and no cause if your opponent even has 1 2100 monster it attack this card saves itself and if they have a weaker monster of 1400 it attacks again all overlays are gone then it has to wait to get one back then all it take is to attacks because it will only have 1000 attack and at this point it takes a minimun of 4 cards to summon if i moved to level 8 it will take at least 6 cards to summon i would rather make it one level 8 monster and then screw it over anyways

[Agro]

Alright, you may want to put that into the lore if that's the case.

But you'd still have it on the field after 2 attacks meaning they need a 3rd. Plus on your next turn you can add another overlay unit and Dark Hole the field. Then tribute or fuse it away. I'd still say that the negation of destruction makes it overpowered and there needs to be a limit as to how much ATK it can get.

[IceDorago]

If the attaching from the Grave means ones that were originally used only, then this would get max 2000 ATK and wouldn't be so bad to face, especially with something like gadget Xyz where you can get a ton of monsters out easily.

[Agro]

[quote name='IceDorago' timestamp='1313948972' post='5459555']
If the attaching from the Grave means ones that were originally used only, then this would get max 2000 ATK and wouldn't be so bad to face, especially with something like gadget Xyz where you can get a ton of monsters out easily.
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From how I read it, it seemed that you could add any card as an Overlay unit.
If not, then it's just poor wording again.

[IceDorago]

[quote name='AggroDrago' timestamp='1313949146' post='5459569']
From how I read it, it seemed that you could add any card as an Overlay unit.
If not, then it's just poor wording again.
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I'd assume that should mean ones used for the Summon as that would probably be that thing that lets it be considered an Overlay Unit. If not, OP.

[omnia95]

the problem without the negation effect imagine if someone just used a card that negated it then there monster would naturally be stronger next turn anyways meaning your screwed yes the card could still be on the field but if you could keep its attack low it would be screwed not to mention if the person ran out of monsters in the grave this would have so many flaws in my opinion uploading version with new lore soon i wanted to make a xyz like slifer in my opinion its weaker than the wicked eraser and uria lord of searing flames.

[IceDorago]

[quote name='omnia95' timestamp='1313949362' post='5459588']
the problem without the negation effect imagine if someone just used a card that negated it then there monster would naturally be stronger next turn anyways meaning your screwed yes the card could still be on the field but if you could keep its attack low it would be screwed not to mention if the person ran out of monsters in the grave this would have so many flaws in my opinion uploading version with new lore soon i wanted to make a xyz like slifer in my opinion its weaker than the wicked eraser and uria lord of searing flames.
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I didn't even understand that. From what I gather, you say that it isn't OPed because you can run out of monsters in the Grave. When you detach, you'll get a monster in the grave. You'll have two sacrificed monsters in the grave already, most likely, that were used to summon the L.6es you needed to Overlay. You'd probably be running Foolish Burial in a deck like this on top of that. So, you'd pretty much have monsters in the Grave guaranteed.

[omnia95]

[quote name='IceDorago' timestamp='1313949878' post='5459617']
I didn't even understand that. From what I gather, you say that it isn't OPed because you can run out of monsters in the Grave. When you detach, you'll get a monster in the grave. You'll have two sacrificed monsters in the grave already, most likely, that were used to summon the L.6es you needed to Overlay. You'd probably be running Foolish Burial in a deck like this on top of that. So, you'd pretty much have monsters in the Grave guaranteed.
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it can only attach though once per turn meaning if it was attacked by s tronger monster and it was save it wouldnt gain or lose attack and stay netraul and would be save u just need one weaker or two weaker monsters because this carrds just lost attack anyone over 1000 attack and attack twice this card is done im sry its biggest effect to save itself stops it from gaining attack

i can remove its effect to save itself or i can have every detached monster removed from play

[Agro]

Once again. It doesn't need to defeat the opposing monster. It just needs to stall. Not to mention that you can't always expect the Opponent to have a monster with more than 2000 ATK the turn you summon it every time. And be able to pull out a 3000 ATK one next turn. Or a 4000 the turn after that. Or a 5000. Or a 6000. 7000. 8000. 9000. 10,000...etc. How can you possibly expect the opponent to have a chance to deal with a 10000 ATK monster that can escape destruction every time it's played? Not to mention Dark Hole kinda clears the field for you.

First thing's first, clean up the lore so we can actually understand what you're talking about.

[tmgm529]

i agree. it should have a limite to 3000.

[RoaringSilence0]

[quote name='omnia95' timestamp='1313948473' post='5459521']
i meant im still making it clearer its suppose to have to wait one turn and no cause if your opponent even has 1 2100 monster it attack this card saves itself and if they have a weaker monster of 1400 it attacks again all overlays are gone then it has to wait to get one back then all it take is to attacks because it will only have 1000 attack and at this point it takes a minimun of 4 cards to summon if i moved to level 8 it will take at least 6 cards to summon i would rather make it one level 8 monster and then screw it over anyways
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[quote name='omnia95' timestamp='1313949362' post='5459588']
the problem without the negation effect imagine if someone just used a card that negated it then there monster would naturally be stronger next turn anyways meaning your screwed yes the card could still be on the field but if you could keep its attack low it would be screwed not to mention if the person ran out of monsters in the grave this would have so many flaws in my opinion uploading version with new lore soon i wanted to make a xyz like slifer in my opinion its weaker than the wicked eraser and uria lord of searing flames.
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[quote name='omnia95' timestamp='1313951466' post='5459643']
it can only attach though once per turn meaning if it was attacked by s tronger monster and it was save it wouldnt gain or lose attack and stay netraul and would be save u just need one weaker or two weaker monsters because this carrds just lost attack anyone over 1000 attack and attack twice this card is done im sry its biggest effect to save itself stops it from gaining attack

i can remove its effect to save itself or i can have every detached monster removed from play
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Dude, take a breath. I'm serious. No one can understand you. Put everything in sentences, not run on paragraphs.

[omnia95]

ok first ill have it to where the negate destruction effect isnt there but i have to add an ability. think of one that would remove an amount of cards 2 maybe three or even one because if the overlays are removed he looses attack. and maybe ill think about adding an ability where each overlay unit he gets rid of will be banished or make a card to counter it

[ragnarok1945]

if you're going to allow it to gain the 1000 atk this way, you should cap the limit somewhere (don't want this reaching the 5000 atk point or anything)

either that or don't cap it, but make it from 1000 gain to like 300 gain instead