Dark Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Have you ever watched something and found the outcome to be totally ironic and unintended? I just watched John Stossel talk about [i]apparent[/i] liberal bias in colleges and the fact that a bachelor's degree is really just a scam. I've been also been watching O'Reilly for the past few days discussing controversial social and economic issues. And, to make it even worse, I've been watching Glenn Beck on YouTube whenever I need a quick bout of comedy. And the irony? Watching FOX News has made me [i]more[/i] socially liberal, and probably [i]less[/i] economically conservative. FOX News, a conservative-based news channel, has turned me more liberal. And this is coming from a libertarian, someone who actually sometimes agrees with conservatives. Also, watch out. If you go to college, you're going to be met with a ton of liberal professors and a ton of liberal bias and liberal stuff everywhere. Hmm... I wonder why? Maybe it's the fact that liberals are more likely to pursue jobs in the teaching field. Maybe it's the fact that the liberal platform appeals to many teenage and young adult students because of their ability to rationally think things through. Maybe it's the fact that many people going to college hold individualistic views and believe liberal policies are correct. Maybe it's the fact that the younger generation is more likely to be liberal because of the things the party advocates. Or maybe it's the fact that people with more intelligence generally hold liberal views (whereas conservative views are more associated with faith and lack of analytic thinking). No, it can't be any of those. It must be that the government is secretly pumping in liberal views into colleges, or maybe that college Presidents want to make America liberal. Oh, yes, the conspiracy theory must be right! We must do something about this! It's a joke. It's all a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 You have earned my respect for being able to watch Fox News for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I absolutely despise Fox news. They broadcast [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCD2wigqFUk&feature=related"][i]this kind of stuff[/i][/url]? I didn't know the human race could make fun of itself in such a manner. And Fox News just... completely turns me away from their conservative ways. Idiotic arguments from idiotic people. Fox News in a nutshell: Don't agree with us? Screw you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I am going to be trolled for this but I actually like and watch Fox News... Every News Show is biased it just depends on which one suits your political views... I tend to lean towards Conservative/Republican/Libertarian so Fox News suits me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [img]http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/2/23/15/captain-obvious-1467-1235422671-15.jpg[/img] But oddly enough Dark, I read on lolWikipedia that Republicans, (on average,) are more likely to be educated than Democrats. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I like Shepard Smith on Fox News. The channel is fun to watch if you have the sense not to take it seriously. They're going to be funnier when the Republicans win this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [i]I am going to be trolled for this but I actually like and watch Fox News... Every News Show is biased it just depends on which one suits your political views... I tend to lean towards Conservative/Republican/Libertarian so Fox News suits me... [/i] The amount of liberal bias in CNN is not even close to the amount of conservative bias in FOX News. At least CNN [i]sometimes[/i] takes a bit of a moderate standpoint on issues, whereas pretty much every single person on FOX is some sort of extremist. Look at Beck and O'Reilly, they are pretty much the [i]definition[/i] of right-wing extremists. CNN has a liberal bias, no doubt, but at least the liberal party doesn't build a platform on faith and lack of proper logic in social issues. Also, if you were actually a libertarian you would be ripping your eyes and hair out hearing the downright stupid opinions that FOX News anchormen have on social issues. I can understand taking a conservative standpoint on abortion or homosexual marriage - I don't find it logical, but I can understand it. But every single argument I've heard from FOX News about why liberals are wrong about social reform were all bullshit. FOX News is like satire to me, because i refuse to believe people can actually back up their illogical beliefs with even more illogical arguments. [i]But oddly enough Dark, I read on lolWikipedia that Republicans, (on average,) are more likely to be educated than Democrats.[/i] That statistic is also considering that a majority of the minority races (African-Americans, Latinos, Asians) tend to side with the liberal party, and the former two of those three tend not to have very high education levels. Yes, the average Republican is more likely to have a bachelor's degree than the average Democrat, but when you look at all the facets of [i]why[/i] that's the case, it's clear that the average Democrat is smarter than the average Republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Judge Napolitano is the exact definition of a libertarian and he is on fox news... They have their ups and downs... Ups-Freedom Watch, Studio B with Shepard Smith, Neil Cavuto, The Five, Red Eye... Downs-O Reily Factor, Glenn Beck, Huckabee, Hannity, Brett Baier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1315196593' post='5493055'] Judge Napolitano is the exact definition of a libertarian and he is on fox news... They have their ups and downs... Ups-Freedom Watch, Studio B with Shepard Smith, Neil Cavuto, The Five, Red Eye... Downs-O Reily Factor, Glenn Beck, Huckabee, Hannity, Brett Baier... [/quote] I would personally think one would run into more libertarian anchormen on a [i]liberal[/i]-based news channel, especially because libertarians are immensely closer to liberals than they are to conservatives. In fact, if you wanted me to classify what a libertarian was, I'd say it'd be a liberal on social issues and a moderate on economical issues. I personally hate both The Five and Red Eye. You forgot Stossel for your downs list. Jussayin'. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1315196797' post='5493065'] I would personally think one would run into more libertarian anchormen on a [i]liberal[/i]-based news channel, especially because libertarians are immensely closer to liberals than they are to conservatives. In fact, if you wanted me to classify what a libertarian was, I'd say it'd be a liberal on social issues and a moderate on economical issues. I personally hate both The Five and Red Eye. You forgot Stossel for your downs list. Jussayin'. <3 [/quote] I support John Stossel... Their are many types of Libertarianism... I am Right-Libertarianism... Here is the list [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Libertarian_philosophies"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Libertarian_philosophies[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yang Xiao-Long Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Since you spend so much time watching things you hate, Dark, maybe you should watch something you like. You know, like The Powerpuff Girls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [i]I support John Stossel...[/i] He creeps me the hell out, he's a right-wing nut case, he can't argue his points well at all, and he's only slightly better than Mr. Beck and Mr. O'reilly. He's not really the shining beacon of hope that FOX relies on, especially when he argues his points as well as a three-year-old. [i]Their are many types of Libertarianism... I am Right-Libertarianism[/i] Yes, I understand, but libertarianism still implies a lack of government interference, which in turn pretty much puts you as a social liberal. If you are a social conservative, I don't see any possible way you can be a libertarian, even if you classify yourself as a right-libertarian. Besides, all Wikipedia is saying is that you are a libertarian who believes in capitalism. So what? [i]You know, like The Powerpuff Girls?[/i] Watching things you disagree with makes you better as a debater and gives you more material to formulate arguments around. Hearing something that is completely erroneous makes your argument better since you can cite the counter-example to bolster your own position. Also, I don't like The Powerpuff Girls. Although the blue one is kind of cute, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Well I should prolly point out that I dont agree with everything they say... When it comes to economics Neil Cavuto and Clark Howard are my fav's! And I love Neil Cavuto because he actually gives Ron Paul coverage RON PAUL 2012! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich are probably the two Republicans I have my eye on at the moment. Personally, I just want a Republican in for four years to fix the economy, maybe eight if he needs a bit more time, but get him out as soon as possible. I don't trust Republicans handling this country anymore, and the second they try to bring social conservatism into their platform, I am going to flip out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1315198103' post='5493123'] Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich are probably the two Republicans I have my eye on at the moment. Personally, I just want a Republican in for four years to fix the economy, maybe eight if he needs a bit more time, but get him out as soon as possible. I don't trust Republicans handling this country anymore, and the second they try to bring social conservatism into their platform, I am going to flip out. [/quote] Newt Gingrich is Okay but his campaign has been sort of a flop concerning his employees... Ron Paul is my fav at the moment and I want him to win the nomination but the only channel giving him enough coverage is Fox... However he will be at the debate on the 7th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Studies show that of all the cable news viewers, Fox News viewers are the most incorrectly informed. That's a problem. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1315196593' post='5493055']Ups-Freedom Watch, Studio B with Shepard Smith, Neil Cavuto, The Five, Red Eye... Downs-O Reily Factor, Glenn Beck, Huckabee, Hannity, Brett Baier...[/quote] Don't kid yourself, Cavuto is a down. He may not directly suggest stuff, but everything he does is cast with a negative background. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1315198285' post='5493132'] Newt Gingrich is Okay but his campaign has been sort of a flop concerning his employees... Ron Paul is my fav at the moment and I want him to win the nomination but the only channel giving him enough coverage is Fox... However he will be at the debate on the 7th [/quote] Gingrich can't be trusted. Even his wife can't trust him. Ron Paul is an oddity to me. Every time I hear him speak he sounds so centered and, well, maybe not grounded. But he's also the guy that pretty much came up with the ideas, however folly, of the tea party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='AggroDrago' timestamp='1315198522' post='5493137'] Studies show that of all the cable news viewers, Fox News viewers are the most incorrectly informed. That's a problem. Don't kid yourself, Cavuto is a down. He may not directly suggest stuff, but everything he does is cast with a negative background. Gingrich can't be trusted. Even his wife can't trust him. Ron Paul is an oddity to me. Every time I hear him speak he sounds so centered and, well, maybe not grounded. But he's also the guy that pretty much came up with the ideas, however folly, of the tea party. [/quote] As a supporter of the Tea Party I would like a justification of their follyness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 eh-hm They call on a hold back of government, unless, of course, it would negatively affect them in any way. They can't understand that increase in taxes are necessary to pay for what is important for every person in the nation. They act as if our founding fathers all had the same political view: theirs At its core, the Tea Party movement is full of contradictions, incoherence and a willful contempt for facts or reason. It is a parody of the legitimate movements for which American democracy has historically been held in such high regard. It's just the latest installment in quite another American tradition: the exploitation of frustrated, desperate, and susceptible people by monied interests and profiteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='AggroDrago' timestamp='1315199633' post='5493179'] They can't understand that increase in taxes are necessary to pay for what is important for every person in the nation.[/quote] Then I guess its okay when the federal government increases taxes driving people into poverty... Yes thats brilliant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1315199783' post='5493183'] Then I guess its okay when the federal government increases taxes driving people into poverty... Yes thats brilliant... [/quote] You don't quite understand who is being taxed here. When I say taxes are being increased, it does not mean that EVERYBODYS' taxes are being increased. That's another, as you say, brilliant inference I see tea partiers make all the time. I'm assuming you know what a progressive tax is? You don't throw all of the taxes on the lower class, of course not, that's stupid. The people that can afford to pay higher taxes should pay higher taxes since it is not as much as a burden to them. That way, you can raise taxes, make enough income to create support services to help the underprivileged get out of poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I am guessing you don't agree with are foreign policy either... We do not need to be policing the world and exsasperating are military to such an extent and having it ruin our economy... I support Isolationism and Free Market, something my Tea Party affiliates agree with... I want the Gold Standard back and I am sick and tired of Beaurocrats running this country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1315200519' post='5493198'] I am guessing you don't agree with are foreign policy either... We do not need to be policing the world and exsasperating are military to such an extent and having it ruin our economy... I support Isolationism and Free Market, something my Tea Party affiliates agree with... I want the Gold Standard back and I am sick and tired of Beaurocrats running this country... [/quote] I agree with your foreign policy. War is never a good idea for a country to get into. The only reason WW2 pulled us out of the depression was because we were making so much off of England and France buying our supplies. (we still own some docks in England from those deals) Isolationism is currently impossible, though. And as far as the free market is concerned. It cannot be free. Else we have another wall street collapse. The regulations put in place after the great depression were fine and kept the economy from collapsing again, when they were pulled off, another collapse was inevitable. Never underestimate the power of human greed. I have no idea what you mean by Gold Standard. If you mean life in the 20's, then good luck with that. If you mean post 1945, excluding the cold war, then I'm fine with it. As far as Bureaucrats are concerned: I hate politicians who cannot think for themselves. Those who make decisions squared solely on being re-elected are not worthy enough to be elected in the first place. Politicians needs 2 things: 1. a steady belief system based on fact, history, and selflessness and 2. The ability to move slightly from those beliefs in order to compromise with others in government to actually get things done. You've probably heard this joke before, but: if 'Pro-' is the opposite of 'Con-' then Congress is the opposite of Progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='AggroDrago' timestamp='1315201317' post='5493222'] I have no idea what you mean by Gold Standard. If you mean life in the 20's, then good luck with that. If you mean post 1945, excluding the cold war, then I'm fine with it. [/quote] It means make Gold the main currency which is the main thing Ron Paul has advocated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [url="http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist?blend=2&ob=5#p/search/5/f1KQw5D2Vos"]http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist?blend=2&ob=5#p/search/5/f1KQw5D2Vos[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist?blend=2&ob=5#p/u/39/G8JfjQF9q-M"]http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist?blend=2&ob=5#p/u/39/G8JfjQF9q-M[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1315201453' post='5493228'] It means [i]make Gold the main currency[/i] which is the main thing Ron Paul has advocated... [/quote] Is gold not what backs our economy up? If not, then... eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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