El Majishan Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 So I played Agents and I honestly don't like the deck. Just not my style. So I'm sticking with what I've been running the past 3 months. This is the most current build and most consistent IMO. (BTW you all know I don't like the horn build so please don't suggest it) [Spoiler=Main Deck] Monsters: 16 1: Gorz the Emissary of Darkness 1: Scrap Golem 3: Reborn Tengu 3: Scrap Chimera 3: Scrap Beast 2: Scrap Goblin 2: Effect Veiler 1: Sangan Spells: 14 3: Scrapstorm 2: Scrapyard 2: Pot of Duality 2: Mystical Space Typhoon 1: Monster Reborn 1: Heavy Storm 1: Dark Hole 1: Mind Control 1: Book of Moon Traps: 10 2: Bottomless Trap Hole 2: Fiendish Chain 2: Solemn Warning 1: Solemn Judgment 1: Torrential Tribute 1: Mirror Force 1: Call of the Haunted [/spoiler] [spoiler=Extra Deck] Monsters: 15 3: Scrap Dragon 1: Scrap Twin Dragon 1: Scrap Archfiend 1: Stardust Dragon 1: Thought Ruler Archfiend 1: Colossal Fighter 1: Black Rose Dragon 1: Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier 1: Ally of Justice Catastor 1: Magical Android 1: Number 39: Utopia 1: Number 17: Leviathan Dragon 1: Steelswarm Roach ( If I can get 1, if not its gonna be a Chimeratech Fortress Dragon) [/spoiler] [spoiler=Side Deck] 2: Cyber Dragon 2: Thunder King Rai-Oh 2: Puppet Plant 2: Nobleman of Crossout 2: Debunk 2: Starlight Road 2: Gozen Match 1: Chain Disapperance [/spoiler] Help is needed with the extra and the side. Currently thinking about replacing the mained BTH for the sided Thunder Kings, thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 ITT: Deck, Extra and Side is perfect. Come on guys. help me out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetsumei75 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Cut Sangan for a Scapegoat. Then Android or the Roach slot can become Naturia Beast, and Colossal can turn into Barkion. Sangan only grabs 4 cards, so it's going to tend to not be too useful I think. Goats can get you tons of synchro options, or stall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 When I tested scapegoat it was kinda meh. I like the sangan cuz it lets me get a +1 off Dragons effect and lets me grab veiler asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 [quote name='Kurono Kei' timestamp='1318653675' post='5580501'] ITT: Deck, Extra and Side is perfect. Come on guys. help me out here. [/quote] actually to be honest this is nearly perfect. the only thing i can think of is -1 golem +1 PoD but rly thats optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 [quote name='Father Wolf' timestamp='1318665013' post='5580638'] actually to be honest this is nearly perfect. the only thing i can think of is -1 golem +1 PoD but rly thats optional.[/quote] Thanks I tested 3rd duality and I didnt like it much. And tips on what I should be siding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 [quote name='Zetsumei75' timestamp='1318655224' post='5580531'] Cut Sangan for a Scapegoat. Then Android or the Roach slot can become Naturia Beast, and Colossal can turn into Barkion. Sangan only grabs 4 cards, so it's going to tend to not be too useful I think. Goats can get you tons of synchro options, or stall. [/quote] What? Goat is terrible, to be honest Cut Goblins, golem a yard and fiendishs for Monks and guides. If you can't get guides (if this is irl) then add a Duality and two other whatevers that arent what you took out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Monk is terribad, I always knew it was meh, but testing proved how bad it really is. Golem is the best target to reborn with Dragon and Goblin is good (a wall that nets me a Chimera is good imo). Cant afford TGU. Thinking about moving T-King to the main though, so I may drop the chains or move BTH to side for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 [quote name='Kurono Kei' timestamp='1318718344' post='5581714'] Monk is terribad, I always knew it was meh, but testing proved how bad it really is. Golem is the best target to reborn with Dragon and Goblin is good (a wall that nets me a Chimera is good imo). Cant afford TGU. Thinking about moving T-King to the main though, so I may drop the chains or move BTH to side for it. [/quote] Are you serious? Monk is the key to scraps this format. Either you run it, or your terrible. Golem is to sacky and requires setup. You can EASILY make Stun with monk and Thunder King. But whatever, man. Its your deck. I`m just suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 [quote name='Ctrl+Alt+Win' timestamp='1318719692' post='5581741'] Are you serious? Monk is the key to scraps this format. Either you run it, or your terrible. Golem is to sacky and requires setup. You can EASILY make Stun with monk and Thunder King. But whatever, man. Its your deck. I`m just suggesting. [/quote] :/ Monk is not good. Just because it went to 2 does not make it good or "key" for the decks success.. Its still a -1 and those are always bad unless they do something game breaking. Scraps already have Chimera and Tengu for +0 or +1 plays so why would I waste space with an unneeded card? Monk is only good when it summons cards that can make up for its cost like Crane, Stratos and that Genex Monster (Blast Fan I think) other than that its sub-par...and I'm not talking out my ass...I tested. Your argument that Golem requires set-up is dumb....ALL Scrap plays require set up. Plus I have Tengu and Goblin for the off chance I have to tribute summon for it. Anyway Tips on Side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Summon monk. Pitch a spell. (-1) Get a monster (+0) Synchroing with monk is a neg, but bieng able to summon your beast, making scrap dragon or stardust, and having a beast in grave for chimera, is well worth the neg, since it helps set up. Its not the key to the deck, but it is the key to improving the consistency of the deck.What I mean`t to say for golem is that it requires ADDITION setup, to the one you need to continously make scrap dragon. If you draw into your golem, then what are you going to do? Its not worth playing, it slows the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Its not worth the space based on my testing. Take a look at my side. Needs to be updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Your testing? Who have you been testing against? What decks? how many times? This all matters, because monk bieng good in scraps is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Top Players at my Locals including Nathaniel Jadotte, Carl Waite, Angel Alludin ect all who at least top 16th at YCS and consistently top regional. Top decks: Agents, Plants, T.G, Sams (still good btw), Dopple and some other random stuff After testing we all agreed that Monk is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Well you have no decent point into why its bad. Its searchable by sangan, which you run idk why, and speeds up the deck. I STONGLY doubt you have those players at your locals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I go the KG (King Games) in Brooklyn which I am from btw and they are all personal friends. What reason do you have to doubt me? And why wont I run sangan? Its a plus with Dragon and I have 4 good targets. Also I explained why Monk is not with it. Why would I run a -1 when I already have +0 and +1 plays? I thought you where a good player but you're proving me wrong :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I am a good player. Your just bieng irrationnal. How can a card that nabs you a synchro and set up for the cost of a neg one be bad? How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Because most likely your opponent will not be making -1 plays of their own. Look at all the top decks? what negative plays do they have? Plants, Agents, DarkWorlds. They all go +0 or more. So while they are not losing any advantage you are with Monk plays. Players cannot afford to make minus plays anymore if you do chances are you are losing. I have all the gave set up I need with Storm. Plus the almighty Veiler and even Max C shits on Monk so bad. Its not that Monk is bad...he just needs deck that can compensate for his cost. Which scraps cant. Exceed Gadgets Yes, Crane Decks yes, Heros Maybe. Scraps no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Are you bieng serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 you're an idiot if you dont understand that. that being said I no longer have a reason to take you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 With your logic, you sound like your saying one neg, that helps you, can cost you the game. [url="http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/3/38/FoolishBurialSDDL-EN-C-1E.jpg"][img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110924231261/yugioh/images/thumb/3/38/FoolishBurialSDDL-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-FoolishBurialSDDL-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][/url][url="http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/5/5e/CompulsoryEvacuationDeviceTU04-EN-SR-UE.jpg"][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110610232839/yugioh/images/thumb/5/5e/CompulsoryEvacuationDeviceTU04-EN-SR-UE.jpg/300px-CompulsoryEvacuationDeviceTU04-EN-SR-UE.jpg[/img][/url] Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 If you use CED right its a +0 cuz you are putting away XYZs or Synchros. Foolish is a card that has far more utility that Monk, and is used by decks that can make up from it being a negative 1. Case in point Plants, Dandy Gives you 2 tokens, Spore and Bulb can be summoned immediately from grave for free resulting in a +0 or +1. Seriously stop being bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Rainicorn Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Honestly, TKRO should be mained over Goblin. Also, idg Chain Disappearance. or 2 NoC. or 2 Debunk. like, Debunk I can understand for hating on Veiler, but that's why people main Horn.Oh and Compulsory sucks ze majorness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I know the Side is pretty bad. it was from last format. What should it be looking like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Yes. because a synchro killer thats chainable is bad.. How am I even bieng bad? I`m giving you great points to a great card, that you go saying is sh*t. Your calling me bad, when your the one saying golem is good. You can go ahead and make your deck terrible, for all I care. Its allinall a suggestion, no need to be a d*** about it. Good night. EDIT: you know what speeds up kycoo? Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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