ragnarok1945 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I mean if you let it stay on the field, then halving the stats would make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 ok i fixed the card i hope it is better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 yeah it looks fine, I'll now give Sea's Nightmare 8.9/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Thanks for your rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 you going to update here again soon, groniack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yes. As long as I find a good image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 which sites you looking at for pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 i am looking at jazinkay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 look for the member HP Doom as well, he's really good also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Longplume-Arctic Bird The Tornado added. I hope you like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 nothing wrong with that effect, has a good summoning and everything pretty well done, I'm unsure if the 800 atk drop should be perm or temp, but I'll leave that to you, I think it works either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Thanks for the comment. I think i will leave it as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 have it your way I'll give you 9.4/10 for it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Longplume-Spearbird The Light Of Dawn added. I hope you like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 it's very good it can get out onto the field REALLY quickly to be used for synchro food, so I like it 9.6/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Thanks for the rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 you're getting there, groniack just hope you have more soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Longplume-Eagle The Prideful Lancer added. It is the final monster card. I might add another tuner and another synchro and then Spell and Trap Support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kato_Zenamara Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Seems like a ripoff of Blackwings, in every shape and form. They swam like them, and even have nearly identical naming schemes. Not to mention the fact that they're also Winged Beasts. The idea of them gaining effects when tributed by another card's effect is quite original, but I do hope you realize that pretty much none of the cards will work. Especially the synchros. Nearly every "tributer" effect you have tributes the monsters as costs, not effects, and thus your whole archetype doesn't work. See: Dark Worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 "When this card is tributed by a card's effect; You can banish 1 Level 4 or lower "Longplume" monster from your Graveyard. Special Summon that monster during your next Standby Phase with its effects negated. It is destroyed during the End Phase" For this part, I don't see the need to negate the Longplume monster's effect since it only lasts 1 turn on the field anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 [quote name='Kato_Zenamara' timestamp='1320515986' post='5619310'] Seems like a ripoff of Blackwings, in every shape and form. They swam like them, and even have nearly identical naming schemes. Not to mention the fact that they're also Winged Beasts. The idea of them gaining effects when tributed by another card's effect is quite original, but I do hope you realize that pretty much none of the cards will work. Especially the synchros. Nearly every "tributer" effect you have tributes the monsters as costs, not effects, and thus your whole archetype doesn't work. See: Dark Worlds. [/quote] But "Mist Valley's " effects require a cost don't they? They return cards on the field to your hand as a cost but thunderbird can be special Summoned this way. I don't understand it. I know that Darkorlds don't activate their effects when they are discarded as a cost but i don't know why. By the way you are right.They are somewhat a copy of blackwings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kato_Zenamara Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 [quote name='groniack' timestamp='1320517220' post='5619367'] But "Mist Valley's " effects require a cost don't they? They return cards on the field to your hand as a cost but thunderbird can be special Summoned this way. I don't understand it. I know that Darkorlds don't activate their effects when they are discarded as a cost but i don't know why. By the way you are right.They are somewhat a copy of blackwings. [/quote] Because Mist Valley just says "when this card is returned to the hand." It doesn't matter how. With these cards, as well as Dark Worlds, it states "When this card is [tributed/discarded] by a [b]card effect[/b]..." Costs and Effects are not the same thing. For example, Lightning Vortex says "Discard 1 card. Destroy all face-up monsters on your opponent's side of the field." In this case, discarding is a cost, as it must be done in order to activate something. In card grammar, the way to distinguish cost from effect goes like this: "[Do whatever] to [do whatever]" Anything that precedes "to" is a cost, while anything that comes after is the effect brought on by that cost. Costs are paid at activation, while effects happen at resolution. Something is considered an effect if it says "[Do whatever] and [do whatever]". "And" implies that the actions happen at the same time, and if no cost is stated or implied, the card has no cost. For example, Shooting Star Dragon's last effect: "When your opponent's monster declares an attack, you can remove this card from play and negate that attack." See how it says "and negate"? That means the removal and negation happen at the same time, so it is not a cost. On the other hand, here is Exiled Force: "Tribute this card to destroy 1 monster on the field." It says "to", so it is a cost. Costs and Effects become more prominent when up against Skill Drain as well. As costs are not effects, costs can still be paid while Skill Drain is on the field. For example, you can still activate Card Trooper's effect, and pay the mill 3 cost, but its effect of gaining ATK will be negated. This can be exploited by cards such as Exiled Force, who tribute themselves as costs to activate the effect, and since they are no longer on the field when the effect activates, their effects happen. Stardust Dragon works this way as well, since tributing itself is a cost, but Shooting Star Dragon won't, since its removal is part of the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Thanks for all the help. I will try to fix my cards so as not to have costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kato_Zenamara Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 [quote name='groniack' timestamp='1320518520' post='5619407'] Thanks for all the help. I will try to fix my cards so as not to have costs. [/quote] All you have to do is change "Tribute 1 "Longplume" monster to..." to "Tribute 1 "Longplume" monster and..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groniack Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 ok i fixed the cards!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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